More Detailed Specifications for the Canon EOS 6D Mark II

[jolyonralph]

It would be a great camera if it offered interchangeable screens.
Without that feature, it's an SLR that can't be focused by eye. About as useful as a chocolate teapot.

I think you may have forgotten that Canon lenses are autofocus, except for specialist lenses such as the MPE-65 and the tilt shifts.

And for those you have live view.

If you really want to be able to properly manual focus a lens through the viewfinder then you may be better off looking at mirrorless options.

 

[JMKE]

Hope that the silent shutter mode remains as silent as the 6D1.

 

[dlee13]

On the stills front that is a pretty wonderful spec list, and, like the 6D1, there are a few notable advantages over the 5D Mark IV.

1) Higher native ISO range (40K vs 32K)
2) Ability to output 4K timelapses + 5 axis stabilization + articulating screen (video advantages)
3) A bit more connectivity (Bluetooth)

I suspect there is the potential for better low light performance (like the 6D vs 5D3), and we finally have a more fully featured autofocus system in this camera. If the sensor is good (and I suspect it will be), this will be a great camera for most everyone save those who need 4K video. Keeping the price sub $2000 USD is a positive surprise, considering that they didn't handicap this camera as much as the 6D.

Differentiators appear to be shutter speed, flash sync speed, AF is one tier down, 1080 vs 4K, and a single card slot. 6.5 FPS vs 7 FPS isn't a real world difference, but I wouldn't be surprised if the buffer is a little deeper on the 5D Mark IV. The big question as to whether or not I'll upgrade my 6D body to this one is if the focus screens can be easily swapped. My guess is no.

If you don't buy the 6D2 then I won't have anyones review to look forward to For me the 6D2 is a definite buy, I actually just listed my 6D for sale since I'm that intent on buying this body.

 

[neuroanatomist]

How can canon possibly justify uhs1 in 2017. There is no reason for that except to deliberately cripple the camera. I guess this is their way of preventing ML from making the camera useful.

Surely Canon decided that UHS-1 was all that was needed for the data rate of 6.5FPS stills or 1080p60 video (at whatever bitrate it will be).

Why use anything else if it's not required?

UHS-ii would allow unlimited raw buffer at 4 fps and nearly unlimited at 6.5 fps. It is also cheaper to buy uhs ii readers than uhs I. So I know it's not a cost issue. If it comes with unlimited raw buffer then I'll take it back and apologize to canon. If not then it was intentionally crippled

Do you always make such definitive conclusions based on unrelated facts?

Incidentally, Canon doesn't have to justify anything. If you want a camera with a UHS2 card slot, don't buy the 6DII. Easy.

 

[candyman]

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I suspect there is the potential for better low light performance (like the 6D vs 5D3), ..............

I hope so and there is still no word on the center AF point sensitivity....is it -4EV or -3EV like the 5D MK IV (I don't mean live view)

 

[cerealito]

Thats aside, for 1999$ starting price its seems to be a realy nice FF entry camera.

have there been any specific leaks regarding the price, or this is just conjecture?

 

[TWI by Dustin Abbott]

On the stills front that is a pretty wonderful spec list, and, like the 6D1, there are a few notable advantages over the 5D Mark IV.

1) Higher native ISO range (40K vs 32K)
2) Ability to output 4K timelapses + 5 axis stabilization + articulating screen (video advantages)
3) A bit more connectivity (Bluetooth)

I suspect there is the potential for better low light performance (like the 6D vs 5D3), and we finally have a more fully featured autofocus system in this camera. If the sensor is good (and I suspect it will be), this will be a great camera for most everyone save those who need 4K video. Keeping the price sub $2000 USD is a positive surprise, considering that they didn't handicap this camera as much as the 6D.

Differentiators appear to be shutter speed, flash sync speed, AF is one tier down, 1080 vs 4K, and a single card slot. 6.5 FPS vs 7 FPS isn't a real world difference, but I wouldn't be surprised if the buffer is a little deeper on the 5D Mark IV. The big question as to whether or not I'll upgrade my 6D body to this one is if the focus screens can be easily swapped. My guess is no.

If you don't buy the 6D2 then I won't have anyones review to look forward to For me the 6D2 is a definite buy, I actually just listed my 6D for sale since I'm that intent on buying this body.

fortunately for you I actually buy very little of what I review. Most of it is loaned to me by either retailers or manufacturers.

 

[wildwalker]

It would be a great camera if it offered interchangeable screens.
Without that feature, it's an SLR that can't be focused by eye. About as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Right, because no one uses autofocus? That was a fairly pointless post. I see you are annoyed you can't change the focus screen, especially as the Mk1 could do this. But you have to agree you are in a minority on this.

 

[wildwalker]

Thats aside, for 1999$ starting price its seems to be a realy nice FF entry camera.

have there been any specific leaks regarding the price, or this is just conjecture?

The price of $1999 was listed as part of one of the earlier 6DMk2 leaks last week.

 

[Etienne]

It would be a great camera if it offered interchangeable screens.
Without that feature, it's an SLR that can't be focused by eye. About as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Right, because no one uses autofocus? That was a fairly pointless post. I see you are annoyed you can't change the focus screen, especially as the Mk1 could do this. But you have to agree you are in a minority on this.

Canon may still add focus peaking to the 6D2, which would be highly welcomed!
.... eternally optimistic

 

[SecureGSM]

Actually... The new metering system in 6D II is pretty much identical to the one in 5D IV?
Which is quite exciting for ETTL run and gun shooters. Better White Balance and accurate exposures. What's not to like?

7560 pixels RGB + IR metering sensor

I can't believe they couldn't give a 1/200th sync speed. If they are at 1/18, and if all their other shutters are 1/200th it seems an unnecessary bit of skimpage ...

All their other shutters with a 1/4000 s max on FF cameras have a 1/180 s Xsync? Well, that's true...even if it applies only to the 6D.

To get a faster Xsync, they'd need to put in a shutter with a motor capable of faster movement, and curtains robust enough to withstand the faster movement. The 5-series have a 1/200 Xsync, and the 1/8000 s max shutter to go with it.

The Rebel/xxxD line has a less robust shutter and 1/4000 s max, but a 1/200 s Xsync...because the curtains don't have as far to travel across an APS-C sensor. The more robust shutter in the 80D and 7-series gets you 1/250 s Xsync with the 1/8000 shutter.

Sure, Canon could avoid the 'unnecessary bit of skimpage' and put in a more robust shutter...avoid unnecessary skimpage and make the body a bit more robust with better sealing, avoid unnecessary skimpage and add a few more AF points...avoid unnecessary skimpage and use a better metering sensor...avoid unnecessary skimpage and add 4K video and s second card slot. And avoid unnecessary skimpage on revenue by charging $3500 for it. Oh, wait...that's the 5DIV.

 

[Luds34]

The big question as to whether or not I'll upgrade my 6D body to this one is if the focus screens can be easily swapped. My guess is no.

The swappable focus screen seems to be the last question I have as well. I really enjoyed the high precision screen on the original 6D, I'll be a tad disappointed if we lose that feature. And it's not that I ever really manual focused. I just liked the peace of mind that I felt I could get a visual confirmation that AF scored a "hit" when shooting fast glass wide open.

On a positive note, I am glad to see (although I expected we would) the latest generation of metering system with RGB, anti flicker, etc that started with the 7D2.

 

[aceflibble]

ITT: People don't understand that the 6D line is made to meet a specific price point to combat used sales of older bodies for amateur users, not to be a class-leading flagship unit.

The spec seems fine. The main competition it has—and what it's supposed to mitigate—are second hand sales of the 5D2 and 5D3, which now are predominantly bought for 1080p video. This beats them in that regard and has enough stills functionality to more broadly appeal to the kind of person who wants to move on from their entry-level SLR, is really fixated on getting a 35mm sensor, but can't afford the 5D/1D. (With the 7D line filling the same role for those who don't mind sticking to an APS-C sensor.)

This market doesn't care about 1/180th sync speed vs 1/200th, 98% viewfinder vs 100%, UHS-I vs II, etc. They want their flippy touch screen, they want solid 1080p, sensor-based stabilisation, and a decent pixel count, at a price point they can comfortably afford. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.

 

[padam]

Actually... The new metering system in 6D II is pretty much identical to the one in 5D IV?
Which is quite exciting for ETTL run and gun shooters. Better White Balance and accurate exposures. What's not to like?

7560 pixels RGB + IR metering sensor

No, the 5D IV has a 150000 pixels RGB metering sensor. This one is similar to the 80D.

 

[NJOYCanon]

What are the thoughts that the shutter activation will stay the same as the 6D at approx. at 100K or perhaps (hopefully, but not expected) to be increased to 150K. I know a shutter can conk out anytime, it would just be nice to see a potentially longer shutter life.
I am looking forward to this camera, it's my foot into the full frame arena.

 

[[email protected]]

What are the thoughts that the shutter activation will stay the same as the 6D at approx. at 100K or perhaps (hopefully, but not expected) to be increased to 150K. I know a shutter can conk out anytime, it would just be nice to see a potentially longer shutter life.
I am looking forward to this camera, it's my foot into the full frame arena.

I've never seen any evidence that there is a real relationship between camera makers' notions of expected shutter life and actual shutter life. It strikes me that this is very possibly merely a stat they use to help with price stratification.

I do know that if there were a strong relationship between expected shutter life and actual shutter life, then I - as a frequent intervalometer user - should have seen more shutter failures than I have. I go well over the stated number with all of my bodies and never have had an issue. Could be I'm just lucky, but I suspect this is a number not generated by engineers.

 

[neuroanatomist]

It would be a great camera if it offered interchangeable screens.
Without that feature, it's an SLR that can't be focused by eye. About as useful as a chocolate teapot.

I think you may have forgotten that Canon lenses are autofocus, except for specialist lenses such as the MPE-65 and the tilt shifts.

And for those you have live view.

If you really want to be able to properly manual focus a lens through the viewfinder then you may be better off looking at mirrorless options.

Those 'specialist' lenses are f/2.8 or slower, meaning the stock screen shows the true DoF. Even without a high-precision screen, a fast manual prime can still be focused with good accuracy. Granted, the matte screen makes it easier...but to say that the lack thereof means it can't be focused by eye is a pretty egregious bit of hyperbole.

 

[tr573]

I can't believe they couldn't give a 1/200th sync speed. If they are at 1/18, and if all their other shutters are 1/200th it seems an unnecessary bit of skimpage ...

All their other shutters with a 1/4000 s max on FF cameras have a 1/180 s Xsync? Well, that's true...even if it applies only to the 6D.

To get a faster Xsync, they'd need to put in a shutter with a motor capable of faster movement, and curtains robust enough to withstand the faster movement. The 5-series have a 1/200 Xsync, and the 1/8000 s max shutter to go with it.

The Rebel/xxxD line has a less robust shutter and 1/4000 s max, but a 1/200 s Xsync...because the curtains don't have as far to travel across an APS-C sensor. The more robust shutter in the 80D and 7-series gets you 1/250 s Xsync with the 1/8000 shutter.

Sure, Canon could avoid the 'unnecessary bit of skimpage' and put in a more robust shutter...avoid unnecessary skimpage and make the body a bit more robust with better sealing, avoid unnecessary skimpage and add a few more AF points...avoid unnecessary skimpage and use a better metering sensor...avoid unnecessary skimpage and add 4K video and s second card slot. And avoid unnecessary skimpage on revenue by charging $3500 for it. Oh, wait...that's the 5DIV.

It's such a nothingburger distinction anyway. It's 1/6 of a stop. For all intents and purposes it's the same

 

[neuroanatomist]

It's such a nothingburger distinction anyway. It's 1/6 of a stop. For all intents and purposes it's the same

How can you trivialize it like that? C'mon, you know Canon nerfed the 6DII's Xsync just to force people to buy the 5DIV, and to protect sales of the 1D X II.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Actually... The new metering system in 6D II is pretty much identical to the one in 5D IV?
Which is quite exciting for ETTL run and gun shooters. Better White Balance and accurate exposures. What's not to like?

7560 pixels RGB + IR metering sensor

Pretty much identical, except for the 5DIV's 142,440 additional pixels.