New 50mm lens coming alongside a high end mirrorless camera [CR1]

[Kit.]

There may also have recently been a "paradigm shift" in mainstream photography from focusing on the object to showing the surroundings.

 

[beast]

"alongside a high end camera.." like in Nikon "reinvent mirrorless"??

 

[justaCanonuser]

Nikon has released the AF-S 58mm f/1.4G, Sigma released the 50mm f/1.4 HSM Art, Zeiss released the Otus 55mm f/1.4, etc.

58 mm is not 50 mm, it's already a quite different angle of view. The Zeiss Otus is a completely different league: it is much more expensive than Canon's 1.2/50 mm and a completely manual lens. And Sigma is Sigma. I never had the impression that Canon did care much about 3rd party lenses anyway, don't ask me why they don't care.

But let's see what Canon will do with the new FF ML.

 

[Architect1776]

All we needed was Nikon to show this off...

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...and NOW here come the 50 primes from Canon.

To Canon: pics or it's still not happening.

- A

Manual focus, at least Canon can get AF into their f1.0.

 

[tron]

let's cheer up a little:

https://www.captiongenerator.com/1074652/Nikon-Z6-mirrorless-launch

 

[slclick]

let's cheer up a little:

https://www.captiongenerator.com/1074652/Nikon-Z6-mirrorless-launch

I'm time traveling to 2014! (The nazi meme is dated, no?)

 

[stevelee]

I'm time traveling to 2014! (The nazi meme is dated, no?)

Not here in the US.

 

[bdbender4]

Clearly a 50mm lens is not for you.

On the other hand, I find my Zeiss 50mm f1.4 to be just about the perfect lens for me.

If it had AF it WOULD be my ideal lens. I look forward to the FF-ML, since that would minimize even the MF limitation.

But then, I learned photography on a 35mm film camera with a 50mm lens, so that is what my brain is most closely calibrated to.

Obviously your experience it different. Did you learn photography on a moderately wide lens?

+1 Also learned in the film era with a 50mm "standard" lens at first. I also like that focal length.

Aside: I have gotten rid of everything except my M5 + some unexciting-but-ok EF-M lenses + a Zeiss 25mm f/2 on the EF adapter. The Zeiss is a 40mm equivalent and great fun, but large and very heavy for the M5. So I am hoping that whatever happens in full frame, at least the 32mm EF-M rumor is true: EF-M size and weight! Wide aperture! 50mm equivalent! Woot!

 

[Respinder]

At this point, Canon's marketing plan should be pretty simple.
Do the same thing as Nikon with the teasing of the body, but at the end just show two words:
"Dual slot"

 

[Ozarker]

Unfortunatelly for us the Japanese camera manufactures work all together, they are a cartel. I've been observing the camera markt for a while and ... it is a consequent and sistematic trend to see cameras always leaking some kind of feature. a 5D mark IV with a crop 1,7 4K video with huge files, why? and without an articulating screen, not even a tilting one. Why? In my opinion to not compete with the Nikons. That's right. They only pretend to compete but don't do that actually. All semi-professional and professional Nikon bodies have a dual card slot, you name it (D500, D7200/7500; Nikon Df; D610;D750; D800/800e/810/850... all have a dual card slot and the "revolutionary" Z cameras have only one? why? In order to let Sony A7 series some room for sales (cartel policy) and BTW... the Z cameras have only 1 slot and this only one is dedicated to a "Sony made medium" , the XQD!! (Nikon gets Sony sensors, does but a favor with the single card slot and a poor battery life) That said... I am afraid our next beloved Canon body will leak also some key feature in order to what...? exactly ... to not compete aggressively against a Nikon or Sony. We can expect that the Canon mirrorless will come WITHOUT IBIS, with an EF mount to use all the Canon gems but also to estimulate buying the new generation of IS Canon lenses (stabilization is crucial). That for now. In some 2 to 4 years Nikons Z will also have a dual slot and Canon bodies IBIS on board. That is my prophecy.

Hold still a second... there, fixed it for you. Your tinfoil hat was crooked. You should be embarrassed.

 

[Ozarker]

And Olympus.

Yup. And it works very well.

 

[Deleted member 380306]

And you say that even if some reviewers are maybe comparing them wrongly it is a mistake to call them idiots? Interesting! And otherwise I am a Canon cult follower ? Double interesting! Sorry but I have the right to my opinion to think of them as idiots (or Nikon cult followers? Just joking!). That of course does not change the fact that D850 is better than 5DsR. And by the way you wrongly took it personally I wasn't referring to you but to the ones making the specific comparison.

...back on track/subject...

If you're in the market for a running gun 4k + ff stills camera in the £3000 price bracket as a Nikon shooter it's not unreasonable to go for the d850 for Canon it's 5d4...

So lets take the 5d4, it seems the 4k video crop wasn't greatly received by pro owners nor were the massive files spun from that camera with them eating up memory card faster than you can buy them,(a lot for your computer to deal with also) + the restricted ISO in the 4k mode, and slow-mo video was also somewhat restricted compared to component cameras like the d850 and Canon thinking pros didn't want a flip out screen, then the time lapse video another let down compared to the d850, also they could have given some button illumination as on the d850 etc etc etc...

On top of this Nikon have now given it's cash rich customers 2 new mirrorless cameras and with Sony also producing cameras with plenty of useful tech on it feels like Canon are stuck with producing poorly preforming products like 5d4 and ill fated 6d2, so it isn't the fault of the customer to feel the company is holding back, but it's a market place and we'll choose and hope Canon can pull their finger out and deliver something with well thought-out features sometime soon!

So it may only be a perception about Canon but it seems they lack innovation...

 

[tron]

Poor performing 5D4? This is worse than inaccurate sorry! I am saying it because I DO have it and it's fully satisfying .True I only take stills but it's perfect for stills (used with lens range from 14mm to 500mm x 2).

And judging a DSLR mainly for its video capabilities it's ... OK I will not say it although as I said it's not personal but I do not want to be misunderstood again.

 

[tron]

In addition I cannot find anything appealing in the 2 Z Nikons with the different mount, the single card and the 3 native lenses.

 

[storkchen]

Clearly a 50mm lens is not for you.

On the other hand, I find my Zeiss 50mm f1.4 to be just about the perfect lens for me.

If it had AF it WOULD be my ideal lens. I look forward to the FF-ML, since that would minimize even the MF limitation.

But then, I learned photography on a 35mm film camera with a 50mm lens, so that is what my brain is most closely calibrated to.

Obviously your experience it different. Did you learn photography on a moderately wide lens?

I've noticed many people like the 50, and I am genuinely surprised about it. Oddly, from age 7 to 16 I only had a 50mm to photograph with, because I couldn't afford anything else. So train I did with it. But I disliked it very much. I can still remember of every picture I took in those days whether I was frustrated by 50 being too wide or too narrow Then I read in a Dutch photography book (about the Olympus OM system) the suggestion to use 35mm and 85, and I liked that idea, but those were expensive lenses, so I settled for a 28 and 135 to accompany my 50. From that day on, I never used the 50 again. Later when I got a job I could finally afford 35 / 85, and now my favorite prime set is 24/35/85/200. I recently tried the 50 1.2L because of the beautiful bokeh, but gave up and sold it to be able to afford the 35 1.4 II (which is fantastic, but too heavy).

 

[Sporgon]

If the new 50 arrives with the new Canon mirrorless, and let's say that this mirrorless does use the EF mount, and it has IBIS.........well I don't think ahsanford is going to be very happy

 

[jolyonralph]

I'm not necessarily reading this as a mirrorless only must. Canon has shown a penchant for putting out an EF-M product to then roll out an EF-S equivalent:

EF-M 22mm pancake --> EF-S 24mm pancake
EF-M illuminated macro --> similar for EF-S

I could see a mirrorless only 50 f/1.4 coming out and then an EF version to follow.

- A

Let's wait and see if they do a 32mm EF-S f/1.4 .

 

[FTb-n]

I'm not the ringer on this either, but I believe (again) we're talking about two different things:

• I thought Canon's old eye-related AF with film cameras was using the photographer's eye to set the focus point in the frame. That's dead and buried.
  
  
• The Eye AF everyone is raving about is Sony's ability to deliberately nail AF on the subject's eyes.

Two very different things!

- A

"Eye AF" in context with "Canon" immediately brought me back to the AF that tracked the photographer's eye movement. I had forgotten about Sony's latest effort to track the subject's eye, which would defanitely be a plus. This implies hundreds of focus points and CPU power to process them all, which would be huge departure from the 1DX2 AF system. Intriguing...

IBIS physically moves the sensor by sub-pixel distances and works best with wider angle lenses. It’s movements are finer, but it does not have the range of OS.

Then we have pixel shift (usually in shooting video) where the block of pixels used to create the image is shifted to the next pixel(s) to stabilize the image. This is a gross movement, but it has far more range than IBIS or OS....

At the end we have OS, where a lens element is shifted to try and keep the image steady, and works best with long lenses... it has greater range, but lacks the fineness of IBIS.

So far, only Panasonic <EDIT> and Olympus</EDIT>does IBIS combined with OS..... I would not be surprised to see it on a Canon Mirrorless......

Thank you both for the clarity on IBIS!

 

[NancyP]

I actually like the 50 mm FL. Even better - 55 or 60 or even 65 mm. This may be due to early imprinting by my 35mm film camera and its Mamiya-Sekor 55 f/1.4 lens and 60 f/2.8 1:1 macro (back when Mamiya made 35 mm format cameras).
My current standard FF walkabout prime is the SIgma Art 35mm f/1.4 or the Shorty Forty f/2.8 STM, which, although it is a PITA to manually focus due to focus-by-wire, is a very frequently used landscape lens due to weight, when I am hiking with multiple lenses. After all, many or most landscape shots are at f/5.6 or f/8.

 

[ahsanford]

If the new 50 arrives with the new Canon mirrorless, and let's say that this mirrorless does use the EF mount, and it has IBIS.........well I don't think ahsanford is going to be very happy

I've been bracing for a non-IS refresh to the EF 50 f/1.4 USM for some time. It's okay.

The key key things are accurate/consistent/fast Nano USM or Ring USM + internal focusing + better IQ wider than f/2.8 than what I have now... (and for it not to become a big pickle jar.)

Not having IS, not having mechanical focusing (if it's Nano), etc would be a bummer, but I would endure.

But if it's STM -- even with IS -- I'll buy it and post a video of me smashing it with a hammer on Youtube.

- A