New mid-level DSLR and EOS M5 Mark II the next ILC’s from Canon? [CR1]

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Canon has had a pretty busy 2019, and it looks like that’s going to continue if the latest information we’ve received is to be believed.
We’re told that a new “mid-level” DSLR will be coming in 2019, but that it won’t be an EOS 7D Mark III replacement. The obvious thought would be a replacement to the EOS 80D. It has been rumoured in the past that the EOS 80D and EOS 7D Mark II could be amalgamated into one body going forward.
We’re not sure how the APS-C lineup is going to play out at the moment, but it looks like 2019 will bring some clarity.
The second camera we’re told that is coming for sure in 2019 is a replacement to the Canon EOS M5. We’re told this camera will feature an all-new 24mp sensor and would put a larger gap in features between the top of the EOS M lineup and the EOS M50. No information about features was given.
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Cryve

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I am so excited about the new sensor. Mainly about the megapixel and low light performance.
I also hope its bsi!

i wonder if its really gonna be 24mp, as claimed. 24mp is a good sweetspot for apsc, but im skeptical if it is really going to be 24mp, because a higher mp count usualy is good for marketing.

Sad that the 7diii probably wont come this year, but it was the same with the 7d ii. First came the 70d, which introduced the new sensor, then about 1 year later came the 7d ii.

so it can be projected that we will see the 7d iii at the end of 2020.
 
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Josh Leavitt

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I'd like to see Canon merge the xxD and 7D series into one model. That camera would definitely compliment my 6D II for those times when I'm photographing wildlife or sports.

It's also nice to see that they're not pulling the plug on EOS M yet. Hopefully the new 24MP sensor can manage 4k without any crop. A higher quality EVF, and enhanced eye-AF would be welcome too. I'm not expecting Canon to deliver IBIS with the M5 II, but it might serve as a decent product for testing the technology in the real world before equipping it on the future full-frame EOS R cameras.
 

SwissFrank

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It's also nice to see that they're not pulling the plug on EOS M yet.
Oh, I doubt they will. It's significantly smaller than the R system. And the R system was purposely handicapped not to take small EF-M lenses, and the R lenses so far are on the giant side of huge, so if you want portability in an all-Canon outfit you'll have to have an M body even if you're happy with your R or RF body's size and just want a small lens.

What I see dying off quickly is the SLR product lines. They'll keep making bodies as long as people want them but they'll just have the electronics suite from the MIL's and the mirror/pentaprism from the current models, I think. In other words, these product lines will die off but due to demand, not because Canon unilaterally cuts them away. I grant the SLR's have superior power consumption when there's a long time between shots (wildlife) and perhaps they'll make one body for such shooters for decades, just as they made the pellicle models for decades for the tiny number of the user base that wanted it.
 
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criscokkat

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I'd like to see at least 5dIV level tracking and I'd like to see live view have R level dpaf tracking. I would really love to see 1dx tracking ala the 7dx line, but if they are making a hybrid of the two I wouldn't expect that level but something in between.

Maybe priced around the same as the RP.
 

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Is it realistic to expect R's EVF in M5 II? I didn't have a problem with M5's EVF until I bought R... now it seems so tiny.

Also a 24MP sensor is the ideal place to start with uncropped (binning? oversampled?) 4K, especially with a new faster-readout sensor... if that fits into Canon's differentiation strategy is another thing.
 

mpb001

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I think that the MILC market is evolving so rapidly, that I think Canon and others should probably reduce the models of DSLRs. How many Rebel DSLRs are needed? I can see one Rebel, one pro oriented 7D and one 5D model. After that, probably all MILC including the 1D line. Just my two cents worth.
 
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What I see dying off quickly is the SLR product lines. They'll keep making bodies as long as people want them but they'll just have the electronics suite from the MIL's and the mirror/pentaprism from the current models, I think. In other words, these product lines will die off but due to demand, not because Canon unilaterally cuts them away.
The available data suggest that DSLR demand is dropping, but not as quickly as you suggest. Moreover, the data suggest that the decline in DLSRs continues to moderate. The data also suggest that MILC demand is not really rising. Market share is slowly shifting (although DSLRs still comprise the majority), due to decreasing DSLR sales. In other words, the DSLR is far from dead.
 

wyotex43n

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Hope the rumor concerning 7D Mk ll replacement is wrong. I damaged my 7d Mk ll and really need the replacement asap. It takes sharp photos but there is no readout in the viewfinder. Canon cannot repair it for less than buying a new one.
I don't want to buy a body that is a 3 to 4 years old design so I am really hoping for a replacement soon.
 

jtf

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Newbie to this site but have been using Canon since '75. I've been looking to upgrade my 7D/6D combo for over a year. I picked up an M5 last year as a walk around too. I only do photo, not video.

Was hoping a 7DIII was on the horizon but now I don't know. On the other hand the EOS R kinda ticked a lot of boxes to replace my 6D.

Now I'm thinking I might just holdout to see if a new R series camera can come up with the fps and better tracking and replace both the 7D and 6D. I've seen several youtube vids of people using the 1.4x and 2x converters on the R with good results. I really hate to say it but what I'm looking for is a Canon that does what the A7III does.

Give me 10-12 fps, excellent focus tracking the ability to use a teleconverter for the extra reach of an aps-c in a full frame mirrorless and I'm sold.
 
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2019 stays interesting.
Esp. to see how Canon defines the future of APS-C DSLR.
The SL3 defined it, Canon is not going to have any revolutionary changes, the cameras will evolve with a slightly different sensor and some additional features.

Each new model is slightly better across the board, that makes for a big improvement when you add it all up, but there will be crying and winning. Low light performance foe APS-C is about as good as you can get, so tiny improvements should be expected at best. There is room for a lot more MP if Canon wanted, but they balance that with the power usage of a faster processor and heating from video versus sensor size to fit into a price range.

Its usually not worth a upgrade from the previous model unless there is a must have feature.
 
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The SL3 defined it, Canon is not going to have any revolutionary changes, the cameras will evolve with a slightly different sensor and some additional features.

Each new model is slightly better across the board, that makes for a big improvement when you add it all up, but there will be crying and winning. Low light performance foe APS-C is about as good as you can get, so tiny improvements should be expected at best. There is room for a lot more MP if Canon wanted, but they balance that with the power usage of a faster processor and heating from video versus sensor size to fit into a price range.

Its usually not worth a upgrade from the previous model unless there is a must have feature.
Implicit in the announcement (and to the chagrin of some on this forum) is that the APS-C DSLR has a future. Not that I had any doubt of that, personally.
 
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SwissFrank

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The available data suggest that DSLR demand is dropping, but not as quickly as you suggest.
Just to be clear, I don't expect people to even START moving until the RF system has 1) a professional body (minimum twice battery life, 2x storage, a bit more rugged, and better controls), and 2) trinity lenses plus maybe an ultra-wide and a portrait.

At that point, I'm not sure why most genres of shooting other than sports and wildlife won't move over as fast as their old kit tax-depreciates. Who is going to say:

"No thanks, I don't need 15-35/2.8 IS, I'm fine with 16-35/2.8 no IS."
"No thanks, I don't need 24-70/2.8 IS, or 28-70/2.0, I'm fine with 2.8 no IS."
"No thanks, I don't need a half-size 70-200/2.8 IS."
"No thanks, I don't need a killer 50/1.2, I'm happy with this blah EF 50/1.2."
"No thanks, I don't need the improved AF."

Also just to be clear, I don't think anyone's moving just to have a mirrorless. No-one cares about mirrorless. They care about the lenses and AF.

Finally, just to be clear, I'm not predicting all photogs make the move. Wildlife probably won't, given their long time looking through the viewfinder for every shot they actually take: EVF battery drain is too severe. And since long tele's aren't held back by the SLR's long film-to-flange, RF versions of these lenses won't be any better, and so sports users won't feel compelled to move over either, even if they have no specific reason to prefer SLRs.
 

wyotex43n

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Canon would have so many sales to people like you, I and wyotex43n who are wanting to upgrade but we are left in the dark on what is and isn't going to be released. I wanted to buy a new camera last year but everything was up in the air because we didn't know what to expect with the mirrorless launch. I was contemplating buying the 7d III if and when it came out and have the same reservations as you regarding the EOS R, the teleconverters make the prospect very interesting so I really don't know what to buy and was then waiting to find out what the "pro" version of the R offered. Not to mention if they will release a new 5D IV. So many camera lines are due to be replaced and like you I think it's stupid to buy a 3-4 year old camera especially when the new tech is so exciting. This wouldn't have been as complicated 5 years ago when everything was a dslr and you knew the release dates were 4 years with relatively minor updates but now we don't have any clue what Canon is going to do with the slr lines nor the R system is going (outside of the lens release schedule). Is the R system going to have more bodies and are they going on a 4 year release schedule also? So I didn't buy last year and it doesn't look like I'm buying this year. I'm sticking with my existing kit. If sales of cameras are dropping drastically, this secrecy project isn't helping (I understand why they keep things under wraps but it doesn't always help their bottom line, not everyone needs to buy the latest release, some of us are more deliberate when we're spending thousands of dollars). But at least we have this great site keeping up in the loop.
I mostly shoot wildlife with by 7d mk ll and my 100-400mm. Since my camera is damaged, and my only other investment in lenses is a 18-135mm and a rokinon 14mm I would not take an awful hit to switch brand. If there is not a replacement for my 7dmk ll in the near future I may have to think about switching. Don't really want to but I can't wait another year or 2. If there was a replacement for the 5d soon I would do that and wait but both seem to be far off.
 

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Just to be clear, I don't expect people to even START moving until the RF system has 1) a professional body (minimum twice battery life, 2x storage, a bit more rugged, and better controls), and 2) trinity lenses plus maybe an ultra-wide and a portrait.

At that point, I'm not sure why most genres of shooting other than sports and wildlife won't move over as fast as their old kit tax-depreciates. Who is going to say:

"No thanks, I don't need 15-35/2.8 IS, I'm fine with 16-35/2.8 no IS."
"No thanks, I don't need 24-70/2.8 IS, or 28-70/2.0, I'm fine with 2.8 no IS."
"No thanks, I don't need a half-size 70-200/2.8 IS."
"No thanks, I don't need a killer 50/1.2, I'm happy with this blah EF 50/1.2."
"No thanks, I don't need the improved AF."

Also just to be clear, I don't think anyone's moving just to have a mirrorless. No-one cares about mirrorless. They care about the lenses and AF.

Finally, just to be clear, I'm not predicting all photogs make the move. Wildlife probably won't, given their long time looking through the viewfinder for every shot they actually take: EVF battery drain is too severe. And since long tele's aren't held back by the SLR's long film-to-flange, RF versions of these lenses won't be any better, and so sports users won't feel compelled to move over either, even if they have no specific reason to prefer SLRs.
When you talk about ‘SLR product lines’ you seem to be referencing the entire ILC market, and in that context the RF system won’t have much impact since it’s for FF only. The overall market trends are driven by APS-C sensors, a FF-dedicated lens system isn’t going to affect that too much.
 
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Exactly and this is why Canon won't be able to keep their massive market share forever because people are contemplating other companies. I was even thinking about buying a Sony body and if they release a 7R IV I will consider it (depending on the changes they make/things they add)
YAPODFC. :rolleyes:

What makes now different from the past 16 years? Did everyone wake up yesterday and suddenly think, hey maybe I’ll switch ILC brands now? LOL. People have been ‘contemplating other companies’ all along. Some switch from Canon to those other companies. Some switch from those other companies to Canon.

The fact that you are thinking about buying a Sony is completely irrelevant as far as the ILC market goes. To even imply otherwise is asinine.