No new EOS R body shipping in 2019 [CR2]

CanonFanBoy

EOS 5D MK IV
Jan 28, 2015
3,016
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Irving, Texas

CanonFanBoy

EOS 5D MK IV
Jan 28, 2015
3,016
586
Irving, Texas
I hope you are out and on your feet soon, and we get to enjoy your posts for many years to come.

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Back home and feeling great! Atrial flutter (different from afib). Had the ablation procedure yesterday and went home this morning. Had a very elevated heart rate for about 8 months, 145 bpm, but not pounding. Almost unnoticeable. Decided to have it checked a week ago. They got me right in at Baylor's new heart hospital in Plano. My wife has a bad valve, so if we hadn't been regularly checking hers, we'd have never noticed mine. I got lucky.

I've not got a bill yet... but it is probably safe to say there won't be any new gear the rest of the next year or two. ;)
 

SwissFrank

EOS RP
Dec 9, 2018
201
64
And of course IBIS, and of course great low light sensitivity, and of course a fantastic AF, and of course at least 8.5 fps.
As long as we're dreaming, I'm hoping that an EOS camera soon has the sensor in the recent journal article explaining how they can do HDR with a single exposure and properly capturing motion blur. The example in the article is getting 7 extra stops. No more burnt-out highlights, and really no reason not to use all the time.

And that same sensor would also allow electronic ND filter up to 10 stops quite easily: motion blur in broad daylight.

And that sensor avoids rolling shutter.

And be programmed to recognize specific faces and focus on them (I think Olympus is doing this).
 

Del Paso

M3 Singlestroke
Aug 9, 2018
314
268
Back home and feeling great! Atrial flutter (different from afib). Had the ablation procedure yesterday and went home this morning. Had a very elevated heart rate for about 8 months, 145 bpm, but not pounding. Almost unnoticeable. Decided to have it checked a week ago. They got me right in at Baylor's new heart hospital in Plano. My wife has a bad valve, so if we hadn't been regularly checking hers, we'd have never noticed mine. I got lucky.

I've not got a bill yet... but it is probably safe to say there won't be any new gear the rest of the next year or two. ;)
Bad news for Canon, excellent news for you!:)
 
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SwissFrank

EOS RP
Dec 9, 2018
201
64
either there is more work to be done in getting a new body ready, or its a pragmatic decision to wait for the new lenses. I suspect that its a matter of the design being ready, a high mp or pro level body can work just fine with existing EF lenses and sales would not be hampered by those waiting for new lenses.
Or, they may be awaiting a key component from a supplier--such as an IBIS sensor or next-generation battery.

Or, it may be a combination: wait for the lens count to build, AND since you're waiting anyway, design for a sensor that will be coming in December, AND of course collect feedback from the R users.

Yes, the adapter works fine, but I'm guessing pros will resist a bit.

Something else is that pros simply need time to switch from SLRs, even when the camera is good and the lenses are there. They need a year or something before they'll want to buy.

Note with the EOS rollout they had two high-end consumer cameras, then two low-end, than another high-end, THEN the EOS-1. Another way to look at it is that they didn't release the EOS-1 until they had like 30 lenses available. OTOH, the FD lenses couldn't be used on the EOS bodies. With the RF mount it's more likely that they could sell LOTS of cameras to pros with just the 15-35IS, 24-105/4IS, a 100-400 of some sort. Sports guys could use the adapter, and Wildlife guys would probably stick with SLRs because they can use the viewfinder hours without batteries, and they won't gain anything from the film-flange benefits.
 

Don Haines

Beware of cats with laser eyes!
Jun 4, 2012
7,864
1,183
Canada
Back home and feeling great! Atrial flutter (different from afib). Had the ablation procedure yesterday and went home this morning. Had a very elevated heart rate for about 8 months, 145 bpm, but not pounding. Almost unnoticeable. Decided to have it checked a week ago. They got me right in at Baylor's new heart hospital in Plano. My wife has a bad valve, so if we hadn't been regularly checking hers, we'd have never noticed mine. I got lucky.

I've not got a bill yet... but it is probably safe to say there won't be any new gear the rest of the next year or two. ;)
145! WOW! I can only hit that when pushing way too hard on the bike! I can’t imagine living with that!

Glad you will be OK and hope your finances will recover as well :)
 
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mb66energy

EOS 6D MK II
Dec 18, 2011
1,140
109
Germany
www.MichaelBockhorst.de
I always read "N..ew Body in 2019" skipping some characters ... after 25 years of internet usage my reading capabilities are a little bit damaged ... or it's just wishing for a new release that is exactly for me :)

Maybe Canon is thinking about and working on a strategy which fulfills two classes or FF users: Those who want the maximum resolution / IQ for landscape and studio and on the other hand those who need a very fast camera with very fast and reliable AF for sports / animals (the fast moving ones) / action.
Putting these features in ONE body seems impossible to me at least at a reasonable price below 20 000 EUR / $ .

A solution might be to introduce both flavours of a pro model at the same time knowing that selling pros some lemons will damage Canon with some long term effect - IMO this is the reason for the sequence
M50: look what above average non pro users say, launch the EOS R for the mid range between advanced amateurs and pros, than check what is possible in the cheapo FF sector. Set a foot into the FF mirrorless land and increase the attractivity of the system by putting a very interesting bunch of lenses into the market (compact 2.8 70 200 is ingenious). The lenses can shine with EOS R and EOS RP and make a lot of people lusting for a body, delaying decisions to leave the (Canon) boat, giving the company more time to make a successful first step into the FF mirrorless market.
 

ozturert

I'm New Here
Jan 16, 2019
22
20
How come this can be interpreted has...."normal" or without surprise? Canon is 3 years behind! They have answered to a change in the market in a terrible slower way! In the same way How come the lenses can serve as an excuse?? No way!! RF adapters and the existing lenses can give Canon the confidence to launch a Pro body! If they don´t launch it is because they don´t have it!
I don´t believe i am saying this.....but i see the good bye Canon, closer and closer....
Canon isn't 3 years behind. Maybe some years late to market, but that's it.
Based on what is this 3 years coming from? How about this: Sony is 100 years behind Canon in terms of body ergonomy, menu consistency and body reliability and touch screen implementation and screen quality (even A9 has a bad LCD with almost no anti-reflection coating).
So there you go.
 
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epiieq1

EOS 5D III, 1DX
Aug 9, 2013
29
15
I always read "N..ew Body in 2019" skipping some characters ... after 25 years of internet usage my reading capabilities are a little bit damaged ... or it's just wishing for a new release that is exactly for me :)

Maybe Canon is thinking about and working on a strategy which fulfills two classes or FF users: Those who want the maximum resolution / IQ for landscape and studio and on the other hand those who need a very fast camera with very fast and reliable AF for sports / animals (the fast moving ones) / action.
Putting these features in ONE body seems impossible to me at least at a reasonable price below 20 000 EUR / $ .

A solution might be to introduce both flavours of a pro model at the same time knowing that selling pros some lemons will damage Canon with some long term effect - IMO this is the reason for the sequence
M50: look what above average non pro users say, launch the EOS R for the mid range between advanced amateurs and pros, than check what is possible in the cheapo FF sector. Set a foot into the FF mirrorless land and increase the attractivity of the system by putting a very interesting bunch of lenses into the market (compact 2.8 70 200 is ingenious). The lenses can shine with EOS R and EOS RP and make a lot of people lusting for a body, delaying decisions to leave the (Canon) boat, giving the company more time to make a successful first step into the FF mirrorless market.
I can see that. I can also see the opposite - "well, nothing anytime soon in a body, and so, as a business decision, I'll go with something else that does fit what I need now, not a year or two into the future. I'll have to start switching from EF to RF to truly take advantage of the system and not have to use a mount converter, so I might as well go with another company that offers X, Y, and Z now." Sure, Canon makes great gear, but loyalty goes in both directions.
 
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Del Paso

M3 Singlestroke
Aug 9, 2018
314
268
Backing up frequently doesn't replace lost shots when a card fails. BTW: There are no professional cameras. There are professional photographers. I am no professional photographer when it comes to making a living at it. However, when I shoot an important event I try to be professional in action and demeanor. At those events I have set the standard for myself to shoot RAW to two cards at the same time. Why? Because some moments/shots cannot be redone. If one is willing to sign a contract to deliver a product, one better darn well be able to deliver. I suspect you don't own the 5D Mark IV nor the R. Your saying the R makes the Mark IV obsolete belies a gross unfamiliarity with one or both cameras. I volunteer shoot for a big fashion charity. Models, designers, MUAH, etc. all pay for their photos. Proceeds go to the charity work. All of it. If a card fails on me I could lose dozens of shots that cannot be duplicated. Huge time constraints. Those people will have sometimes traveled halfway around the world and paid good money to the charity. They'd have to be refunded. I'd then have a reputation as unreliable. So would the charity. Different story if I'm shooting portraits at the park. I've studied at getting an RP myself, but as an extreme emergency backup to my dual slot camera. Probably will go 5D IV or V instead... unless a dual slot R gets released. Even then, to be able to use RF lenses, not because the 5 series is obsolete.
I'm presently planning a trip to Japan, and I could never even imagine using a camera with a single card-slot.
Oops, I forgot I would never go to Japan without my Leica, but there, I don't have a choice.
Canon gives me the choice (5D 3 & new: 5 D 4 :love:).
 
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Ladislav

EOS RP
Feb 13, 2013
317
33
37
Czech Republic
If you want the latest cutting edge, go get Olympus. I you want working reliably, go Canon. Many here want both, but they are mutually exclusive. Canon will be slow, but worth the wait.
I don't know. I tried MILC from all manufacturers on The Photography Show in Birmigham (UK) and Olympus was the biggest disappointment. I tried EM1X and its viewfinder was by far the worst from all the options. You could say immediately that you are looking on display. I was very impressed with quality viewfinder in EOS R and Panasonic S1. Fuji, Nikon and Sony were good as well but Olympus was immediate no-go for me. And that is a shame because from all MILC available in the market, I was most impressed with EM1X.
 

Architect1776

Defining the poetics of space through Architecture
Aug 18, 2017
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How come this can be interpreted has...."normal" or without surprise? Canon is 3 years behind! They have answered to a change in the market in a terrible slower way! In the same way How come the lenses can serve as an excuse?? No way!! RF adapters and the existing lenses can give Canon the confidence to launch a Pro body! If they don´t launch it is because they don´t have it!
I don´t believe i am saying this.....but i see the good bye Canon, closer and closer....
Fine to your future regret unless you are made of money. As stated before it took a couple of years for top end EF bodies to come out and people were laughing then too. But then Canon destroyed the competition as they didn't rush, weathered the storm (No idiot internet snowflakes complaining then) and dominated the market for the next over 30 years because they did it right not first.
 
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Ladislav

EOS RP
Feb 13, 2013
317
33
37
Czech Republic
I played with EOS R at The Photography Show in UK. I was very impressed. It feels great in hand, viewfinder is superb and speed of selecting focus point is faster then joystick on 5D4! It would be very nice replacement of my 6D - 2 card slots and servo focus capability are not a big deal since 6D have similar limitations. The only drawback was that I'm left eye dominant and my nose was exactly at the place where focus points are supposed to be controlled. I would probably need to force myself to use the right eye to have the best experience.

I was shocked by the size of RF lenses. 28-70? Man, that one is massive! They also had mockups of all RF lenses announced for this year on display. When it comes to L lenses, only 70-200 seemed like shrinking in size and hopefully also weight. I didn't have chance to ask questions since all Canon representatives were super busy and there were tons of people at their show area but I would not be surprised if new 24-70 had internal zoom. It looked really big. On the other hand I expect the new 70-200 to lose internal zoom since it looks more like current 70-300 L.
 

CJudge

I'm New Here
Mar 22, 2019
11
17
Ireland
www.colin-judge.com
I think the camera itself is very powerful, feels good in the hands, and the RF lenses are definitely not wasted on it, but I think the controls are somewhat quirky (I despise the mode button and the photo/video switch and the touchbar, I only try to make button functions useful, as the swipe is unusable) and don't work as intuitively as their DSLRs (even though it didn't get the same 'treatment' as the RP, it still 'designed' to be lower-end than a 5D IV, unfortunately) and it will probably be fixed in a higher-end model.

I also don't know why some people rate the EVF so highly, as I really am not finding that. I mean, it is pretty good, I just don't feel it is that amazing(especially with the long blackout time), it is just not as crap as other EVFs in Canon cameras(generally I think it is hyped up too much with all mirrorless cameras), I image the Leica SL or Panasonic S1 beating it easily. Yes, it is pretty big, so it is very good in that regard, but it has that barrel distortion and color shift depending on how I am looking at it, and I haven't seen anybody complaining about it. The LCD screen is really great, though.
I think quirky is definitely an accurate impression of the controls for the first day or so when I got my hands on one. For the first two weeks, almost every time I picked it up, I changed something in the button customisation. Now, the thing is a beast. I have every function I could need at my finger tips. I honestly wish I could export my full settings as a backup, because I must have changed pretty much every option at this point. If the camera were to hard-reset for any reason, It would actually take some time to get everything back to how I want it!

The mode button is a really weird one, that's defintely true. But I don't think it's actually any slower to operate than the previous design. The decision to remove the video switch was misguided, I would agree. Maybe it could be solved if they changed the dedicated video record button to serve that function, and recording stop-start could be mapped to the shutter button.

As for the touch bar, I would never in a million years set it to alter any of the image settings, such as ISO like a lot of people suggested when the camera was released. It's far too imprecise, and too easy to hit accidentally. I do, however, use it to great effect as a toggle for my histogram and my level, as well as swiping to zoom in/out for confirming focus. It works brilliantly for those functions. And in photo review, it serves as a dedicated rating button, which I love.

So all in all, after truly extensive customisation, I've surprised myself and have come to love the button layout. (although I wish someone at Canon would cop on and put the on/off switch within range of the right thumb, so I can turn the camera on with one hand while I lift it )
 
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tiggy@mac.com

Pentax K-1000
Jan 20, 2014
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No, "lower end" means $400 kits in Best Buy, sold by the pallet load. Not $2300 bodies sold in ones and two.




Every time you remove a CF card you incrementally increase the risk of failure, by wearing the contacts and through thermal stress and condensation and weather exposure. Plus the risk of losing it. And of missing a shot because you're busy changing cards or hooking-up a card reader to a laptop to back it up.
So I guess it wasn’t smart for me to run my 256gb cf card through the was and dryer three times in the last two years? Oops.
 
Mar 14, 2019
6
4
Glad I just bought two new Sony a7iiis and sold my EOSRs. Sad to say this, but Sony are way ahead of the game and the a7iii is the best camera on the market. The latest interviews with various Canon execs helped facilitate the full move to Sony.
 

Randywayne

I'm New Here
Oct 9, 2018
12
7
Glad I just bought two new Sony a7iiis and sold my EOSRs. Sad to say this, but Sony are way ahead of the game and the a7iii is the best camera on the market. The latest interviews with various Canon execs helped facilitate the full move to Sony.
The great thing with Sony is you don't have to angrily "sell all your Canon gear!". LOL Just buy an MC-11 and the whole Universe of Canon glass becomes available. Nearly all the functions work great when using my Canon lenses -ironically some of the more restricted are Sigma's own!

Having said that, while I love my a7III I still just plain enjoy shooting with my 5D IV more. I even prefer the overall image quality of the Canon when comparing equally sharp photos. When pixel peeping (which I do since I am buried in Photoshop hours a day) I compare the Canon image to a high quality piece of vinal and the Sony to a "perfect" 128k MP3. Yes, they are both digital, but the Canon has an overall more analog look to it. And no, not because it it "blurry" by any means.
 
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neuroanatomist

I post too Much on Here!!
Jul 21, 2010
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Glad I just bought two new Sony a7iiis and sold my EOSRs. Sad to say this, but Sony are way ahead of the game and the a7iii is the best camera on the market. The latest interviews with various Canon execs helped facilitate the full move to Sony.
its great that you signed up to CR forums to tell us this. H&G.
 

3kramd5

EOS 5D MK IV
Mar 2, 2012
2,851
266
Glad I just bought two new Sony a7iiis and sold my EOSRs. Sad to say this, but Sony are way ahead of the game and the a7iii is the best camera on the market.
A9 is certainly a better camera. A7Riii is arguable a better camera. D850 is a better camera. 1dx is a better camera.
 
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