Patent: Canon camera with in-body stabilization and in-lens stabilization working together.

SecureGSM

2 x 5D IV
Feb 26, 2017
1,239
263
Might as well get it out of the way.

“Canon is doomed”
“Canon’s IBIS working with IS technology is already 5 years behind”
“I’m switching to Sony”
“Too expensive”
“No 4K full frame”
“If 4K full frame, not even 8k”
“This camera isn’t also a car”

Am I missing any?
Yes, Canon do not even build large screen TVs, SONY do....
 

Adelino

EOS RP
Jan 21, 2015
313
165
Might as well get it out of the way.

“Canon is doomed”
“Canon’s IBIS working with IS technology is already 5 years behind”
“I’m switching to Sony”
“Too expensive”
“No 4K full frame”
“If 4K full frame, not even 8k”
“This camera isn’t also a car”

Am I missing any?
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Might as well get it out of the way.

“Canon is doomed”
“Canon’s IBIS working with IS technology is already 5 years behind”
“I’m switching to Sony”
“Too expensive”
“No 4K full frame”
“If 4K full frame, not even 8k”
“This camera isn’t also a car”

Am I missing any?
Maybe add something about Apple and/Samsung? I haven't seen too many doomers on here bringing up smartphones but you can be on the edge if you add something like that.
 
Oct 19, 2017
7
4
Australia
would prefer Canon to continue improving Electronic IBIS technology. The Mechanical IBIS can fail since it's mechanically moving and in some cases create motion blur which it's supposed to reduce because it itself is moving. switching off M.IBIS doesn't mean the sensor is locked in place like a fix sensor. The Canon current implementation uses 5 Axis movement measurement and the processor does the correction. The only issue is it uses some part of the sensor for it, so the image is cropped. Maybe Canon develop a slightly larger sensor, use the extra area for E.IBIS and the actual image size still meets the target FF format size.They don't need to invest on M.IBIS development where else the E.IBIS can be improved via readout and processing speed. The E.IBIS can be refined via FW upgrade.
Canon don't need to follow those Mechanical IBIS bandwagon.
 
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BillB

EOS 6D MK II
May 11, 2017
1,138
380
would prefer Canon to continue improving Electronic IBIS technology. The Mechanical IBIS can fail since it's mechanically moving and in some cases create motion blur which it's supposed to reduce because it itself is moving. switching off M.IBIS doesn't mean the sensor is locked in place like a fix sensor. The Canon current implementation uses 5 Axis movement measurement and the processor does the correction. The only issue is it uses some part of the sensor for it, so the image is cropped. Maybe Canon develop a slightly larger sensor, use the extra area for E.IBIS and the actual image size still meets the target FF format size.They don't need to invest on M.IBIS development where else the E.IBIS can be improved via readout and processing speed. The E.IBIS can be refined via FW upgrade.
Canon don't need to follow those Mechanical IBIS bandwagon.
I think electronic IBIS only works for video because it matches up frames. It doesn't have any effect on single shot photographs.
 

crazyrunner33

EOS RP
Nov 4, 2011
262
80
I think electronic IBIS only works for video because it matches up frames. It doesn't have any effect on single shot photographs.
Correct, digital IBIS is like warp stabilizer in After Effects and YouTube's auto stabilizer. It also crops the image.
 
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clbayley

EOS 80D
Aug 28, 2016
153
1
Wondering if the "head scratcher" will be a 32MP APS-C mirrored crop camera with R mount and first implementation of IBIS. Sort of a mixed bag of trial technologies.
 

stevelee

FT-QL
Jul 6, 2017
1,230
264
Davidson, NC
Correct, digital IBIS is like warp stabilizer in After Effects and YouTube's auto stabilizer. It also crops the image.
FCP X has the same kind of software stabilization. I've used the hybrid video stabilization in my 6D2, and it seems to work well. If the lens has IS, the software stabilization is turned off if you turn off the lens IS switch. I guess that's a feature. Maybe they assume that you wouldn't turn it off unless the camera is on a tripod. My guess is that the stabilization in the G7X II is just in software. I've used it in video, but am not sure if anything kicks in for stills.
 
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David - Sydney

EOS T7i
Dec 7, 2014
52
19
www.flickr.com
For your enjoyment....
Aussies call Ibis = bin chickens or tip turkeys or sandwich snatchers or picnic pirates or many others :) but it is a serious offence to harm them as they are protected under legislation.

Also, I really hope that Canon doesn't release a EOS Rs as that is the common venacular for rat sh1t. We actually say "RS" instead during polite conversation. Synonyms = very poor quality, shoddy, unacceptable, disappointing, dumm, lame, sad, stupid etc
 
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pixel8foto

EOS M50
Jan 27, 2015
49
6
UK
www.joelgoodman.net
IBIS that'll support non-IS EF lenses is what I've been holding out for.
There's a lot that I'd like but, at a basic level, a mirrorless that was at least the equal of the 5D4, with eye focus, IBIS and a flippy screen, would tip me over today.
 

bokehmon22

EOS RP
Oct 31, 2016
356
186
Might as well get it out of the way.

“Canon is doomed”
“Canon’s IBIS technology is already 5 years behind”
“I’m switching to Sony”
“Too expensive”
“No 4K full frame”
“If 4K full frame, not even 8k”
“This camera isn’t also a car”

Am I missing any?
It's only a patent until it's materialize =)
 

Jethro

EOS R
Jul 14, 2018
221
102
For your enjoyment....
Aussies call Ibis = bin chickens or tip turkeys or sandwich snatchers or picnic pirates or many others :) but it is a serious offence to harm them as they are protected under legislation.

Also, I really hope that Canon doesn't release a EOS Rs as that is the common venacular for rat sh1t. We actually say "RS" instead during polite conversation. Synonyms = very poor quality, shoddy, unacceptable, disappointing, dumm, lame, sad, stupid etc
To be clear, not all of us do!;)
 

Maximilian

The dark side - I've been there
Nov 7, 2013
2,589
402
Germany
Might as well get it out of the way.

“Canon is doomed”
“Canon’s IBIS technology is already 5 years behind”
“I’m switching to Sony”
“Too expensive”
“No 4K full frame”
“If 4K full frame, not even 8k”
“This camera isn’t also a car”

Am I missing any?
You forgot the most important:

"Old Sensor tech. Not enough base ISO DR!" ;)
 

mb66energy

EOS 6D MK II
Dec 18, 2011
1,268
180
Germany
www.MichaelBockhorst.de
Wouldn't it be easier to test trail Ibis on an apsc m body, smaller sensor, like that rumored M5ii. Then trickle up the tech to the R?
Contra:
If an APS-C-model for (prosumer) masses fails it will produce a lot of bad press and loss of sales

Pro:
If a full frame pro model fails it will produce a devastating press and moderate loss of sales for this model but a lot of losses for Canon.
The dimensions / mass of the movable sensor unit can be ~3 x smaller which leads to "weaker" actors to get the appropriate acceleration making things much easier: less power consumption, less waste heat, less cost.

Finally I think the EOS M5 ii will have an IBIS system on board. Maybe with a reduced set of features but working very well, hopefully with all lenses including FD lenses.
 

max_sr

EOS T7i
Jan 8, 2019
71
55
Possibility: Dual IS is enabled with RF lenses, but EF lenses must use either OIS or IBIS (but not both)?
There is not reason to disable IBIS comlpetely with EF lenses. They can still allow the IBIS system to correct on the axes, that the lens IS can't, like rotation.
 

Del Paso

M3 Singlestroke
Aug 9, 2018
525
501
How dare you insult Sony! Sacrilege!
Crazyrunner
I'd be happy if it becomes 75 percent as good as the Olympus or Panasonic M43 IBIS + OIS system. The A7 III and Nikon Z6 IBIS+OIS is alright, but they just don't compare to the competition.
To put things straight: Sony's IBIS and everything Sonyish are absolutely perfect!
Whoever pretends the opposite should be banned for life from this forum for proferring perverted subversive insanities.:devilish:
Shame on you!
 

jayphotoworks

EOS 80D
Aug 11, 2016
188
57
would prefer Canon to continue improving Electronic IBIS technology. The Mechanical IBIS can fail since it's mechanically moving and in some cases create motion blur which it's supposed to reduce because it itself is moving. switching off M.IBIS doesn't mean the sensor is locked in place like a fix sensor. The Canon current implementation uses 5 Axis movement measurement and the processor does the correction. The only issue is it uses some part of the sensor for it, so the image is cropped. Maybe Canon develop a slightly larger sensor, use the extra area for E.IBIS and the actual image size still meets the target FF format size.They don't need to invest on M.IBIS development where else the E.IBIS can be improved via readout and processing speed. The E.IBIS can be refined via FW upgrade.
Canon don't need to follow those Mechanical IBIS bandwagon.
EIS doesn't work that well in low light. You commonly get the dreaded "spaghetti lights" phenomenon. GoPro's hypersmooth which exclusively uses EIS falls down entirely in low light. GoPro tried to mitigate this with a later firmware by bumping the ISO to keep the shutter speed up which obviously is a different type of compromise. The Insta360 X which had a full 360 spherical image for EIS also had the same problem before they also released a firmware fix to bump the ISO. Yes, mechanical IBIS can also fail to an extent, but it is way more tolerant to high frequency vibrations and is more pleasing than the unnatural spaghetti light phenomenon with EIS in the same conditions.