Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?

rrcphoto

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Generalized Specialist said:
Canon Rumors said:
Unrelated to the patent is an image showing an EF-S 18-55 kit lens with what appears to be an LCD display like we have seen on the <a href="https://www.adorama.com/ca70300is2.html?kbid=64393">Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS II</a>.</p>
WTF is going on at Canon? The market is moving to upmarket mirrorless and they are spending limited resources on adding a gimmick to a low end kit lens while they delay thier FF mirrorless. It's like it's la-la-land at Canon corporate. Totally out of touch with reality and as dysfunctional as they come.
yes because those same engineers that design lenses are the same people that would work in full frame mirrorless. Canon has like 2 engineers and they work out of some basement in Tokyo.
 

rrcphoto

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it is really bonkers that Canon is wasting resources on useless gimmicks like this and then is not even able to make it anywhere near as nice as competition. Why does Canon not put resources into something that would really give them a leg up on competitors. Yes, ofc i am talking about Eye-Controlled AF [ECF] in an upgraded, 2018 , high-performance version. :)
yes because I'm sure those lens engineers work on eyeAF firmware. I mean what the bloody heck are you whining about now?
 

rrcphoto

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i don't think so in this case. the illustration looks truly Canon butt ugly and dysfunctional, exactly as on 70-300 IS II.

Much better, much easier to interpret, not offensive to the eye = zeiss Batis
yes, i'm sure canon would put the same technology in a 299 kit lens as a 2K zeiss batis.

the oxygen getting a little thin in the AvTvUniverse?
 

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hehe, good to see at least one Canapologist getting into swing. LOL

It is not a matter of price. it is a matter of brains. Even if Canon would use the dirt cheap 1970s style LCD they are using on the 70-300 ... it is the information and how it is presented that really sucks.

What use it is to see the focal length a zoom is at in a lens display window, when you can also see it in on the zoom ring? And it even automatically shows equivalent FF focal length when the lens is used on a Canon crop mirrorslapper. WOW WOW WOW. So utterly senseless and useless ... but the DISTANCE information is in small letters and hard to read. LCD as poorly designed as an analogue, old-school hard-etched distance scale. It was not possible to do it differently in the past, with markings. But IF Canon decides to waste R&D resources on an LCD gimmick, then AT LEST do something USEFUL with it.

Overall: truly CANNOVATIVE!
 

rrcphoto

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hehe, good to see at least one Canapologist getting into swing. LOL
you are the first to whine about personal attacks and yet you do this. hypocrite much?

whining about tech on a 299 or less lens is ridiculous. only you would get offended by such a lens.
 

jolyonralph

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i am talking about Eye-Controlled AF [ECF] in an upgraded, 2018 , high-performance version. :)
It was hard enough to do with a handful of focus points. With the number of focus points you have now the chances of it getting the right point are slim.

Anyway, I think the efforts for intelligent photography are being based more on AI and image analysis for determining what to put into focus, this means mirrorless (or live view mode for you slappers)
 

fullstop

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rrcphoto said:
fullstop said:
hehe, good to see at least one Canapologist getting into swing. LOL
you are the first to whine about personal attacks and yet you do this. hypocrite much?

whining about tech on a 299 or less lens is ridiculous. only you would get offended by such a lens.
no. not only me. I bet majority of Canon customers would prefer the 5 bucks wasted on the useless crap LCD would be invested into slightly better coatings ... or a new paint job. ;D ;D ;D
 

SkynetTX

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tron said:
Yet another useless upgrade.
+1. Instead of adding useless LCD display windows to the kit lenses Canon should improve the Image Quality and raise the maximum aperture of them. An EF-S 18-55mm f/2.8-4 IS (ring-type) USM would be much more useful than the EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Mark 6. :(
 

magarity

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rrcphoto said:
yes because those same engineers that design lenses are the same people that would work in full frame mirrorless. Canon has like 2 engineers and they work out of some basement in Tokyo.
More likely out of some attic loft. Japanese houses don't have basements as a general rule. This makes more sense anyway as clearly it's the heat in the loft that's addled their brains.
 

jolyonralph

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"Dear Canon.

We are so angry that Canon are possibly planning to add a new feature to the kit lens rather than just continue selling the existing one which wasn't that bad to begin with, even though there's no actual proof this is a real product yet.

But we must be angry about something!"

Signed Forum Dwellers
 

fullstop

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Dear Canon,
do not waste precious time, effort and resources by adding useless GIMMICKS to lenses. Instead, please focus on finally bringing a decent FF mirrorless system to market.
Signed: 1% of CR forum dwellers and 90% of non-CR-forum dwelling customers

;D
 

scyrene

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SkynetTX said:
tron said:
Yet another useless upgrade.
+1. Instead of adding useless LCD display windows to the kit lenses Canon should improve the Image Quality and raise the maximum aperture of them. An EF-S 18-55mm f/2.8-4 IS (ring-type) USM would be much more useful than the EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Mark 6. :(
Which would increase the price. This is the entry-level *kit lens*. Sales are driven by price, especially at the low end. The average newbie would barely notice or understand the difference between f/2.8 and f/3.5, but they would notice if the kit went up in price by $50. Some would also be put off by the increase in size and weight it would inevitably entail.

If you want better image quality and/or wider aperture, trade up. There are plenty of higher-quality options in the Canon lineup.
 

fullstop

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scyrene said:
SkynetTX said:
tron said:
Yet another useless upgrade.
+1. Instead of adding useless LCD display windows to the kit lenses Canon should improve the Image Quality and raise the maximum aperture of them. An EF-S 18-55mm f/2.8-4 IS (ring-type) USM would be much more useful than the EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Mark 6. :(
Which would increase the price. This is the entry-level *kit lens*. Sales are driven by price, especially at the low end. The average newbie would barely notice or understand the difference between f/2.8 and f/3.5, but they would notice if the kit went up in price by $50. Some would also be put off by the increase in size and weight it would inevitably entail.

If you want better image quality and/or wider aperture, trade up. There are plenty of higher-quality options in the Canon lineup.
So funny. defend, defend, defend. All day long. Apologize, apologize, apologize Canon. No matter how useless a feature, how sub-par a product or how just plain wrong a Canon business practice is, it will be apologized by Canapologists here. Really fun to watch. Since they are not marketing shills, one has to ask as to WHY they the apologists are acting that way.
 

bhf3737

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fullstop said:
Dear Canon,
do not waste precious time, effort and resources by adding useless GIMMICKS to lenses. Instead, please focus on finally bringing a decent FF mirrorless system to market.
Signed: 1% of CR forum dwellers and 90% of non-CR-forum dwelling customers

;D
If you think that managing aberration in a rather dark lens is a GIMMICK, that is fine!
But before claiming that it is useless at least read the patent document to find out what it is about.
 

fullstop

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since you did not care to read, but only post: we were only talking about the (possible) useless LCD info display on the lens barrel. Any other possible improvements were not subject of this thread so far.
 

bhf3737

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since you did not care to read, but only post: we were only talking about the (possible) useless LCD info display on the lens barrel. Any other possible improvements were not subject of this thread so far.
Actually the text document of the patent (in Japanese) is about aberration that is adaptively corrected based on the focal distance. It has nothing to do with the LCD screen. All the explanation is about the camera and lens that have this technology built into them. The LCD screen is just an example of showing the focal distance nothing else. There is no mention that this LCD screen is an integral part of this patent/technology. Read it then argue.
 

fullstop

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read the thread title. Up to now, all that was discussed in this thread was the "LCD display" gimmick. Wich is utterly useless. Only Canapologists see even this ... apologetic.

If the Canon patent also includes IQ improvements that are visible in real life, nobody will have anything against that.
 

fullstop

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Aglet said:
handy for scrolling text advertising on your WiFi enabled camera bodies. ;)
hehe! Not on a lens barrel display, it would not get much attention. ;-)

But I would not be surprised to see video ads pop-up on back LCDs of WiFi enabled-cameras and in electronic viewfinders ;-) and/or ransomware ... "transfer ### bitcoins immediately or your camera will be bricked beyond repair"! :eek: ;)
 

tron

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bhf3737 said:
fullstop said:
since you did not care to read, but only post: we were only talking about the (possible) useless LCD info display on the lens barrel. Any other possible improvements were not subject of this thread so far.
Actually the text document of the patent (in Japanese) is about aberration that is adaptively corrected based on the focal distance. It has nothing to do with the LCD screen. All the explanation is about the camera and lens that have this technology built into them. The LCD screen is just an example of showing the focal distance nothing else. There is no mention that this LCD screen is an integral part of this patent/technology. Read it then argue.
Correct! BUT (and this is a very big BUT) the Forum writer(s) themselves chose to use as a title: Patent: New EF-S 18-55 With an LCD Display?

So they intentionally turned the attention to that instead of the patent content. So the topic of this thread is this possibility and not the very welcome IQ enhancements.