POLL? How many are preordering the EOS R?

[pj1974]

I was interested in the R and 50mm together, but no longer since I saw the The Digital Picture images. For the cost, I hoped for sharpness exceeding the other 50mm lenses and matching the Sigma 135 Art. I'm sure the AF is fine, but that's not enough.

It appears you may not have accurately seen the test results. I am not a pixel peeper, but the optical quality of the RF 50mm L lens is really impressive. The real world sample images really show that also.

Here are some statements from Bryan, of The Digital Picture:

"Ready to be impressed? Check out this comparison (visualize the resolution difference) "
Canon RF 50mm f/1.2L compared to the Canon EF 50mm f/1.2L Lens
"This might be the 50mm lens you've been waiting for."

"The R with the RF 50 f/1.2 easily rules over the 5D IV with the EF 50 f/1.2."

Bryan does outline in detail, that the default sharpness of the EOS R is different to the 5DIV. He also explains to take these differences into account.

The combination of the EOS R and 50mm sets a great benchmark for a FF with AF 50mm f/1.2 lens.
Having said that, if someone can't get great to amazing images with a EOS 5DIV and EF 50mm f/1.2 - then it's probably the photographer!
Photographers with decent skill get amazing photos with the EF 50mm f/1.8 STM and EF 50mm f/1.4- with 'lesser DSLRs'. As I have said for 20 years in digital photography, it is often more about the skill than the kit.

PJ

 

[jd7]

It appears you may not have accurately seen the test results. I am not a pixel peeper, but the optical quality of the RF 50mm L lens is really impressive. The real world sample images really show that also.

Here are some statements from Bryan, of The Digital Picture:

"Ready to be impressed? Check out this comparison (visualize the resolution difference) "
Canon RF 50mm f/1.2L compared to the Canon EF 50mm f/1.2L Lens
"This might be the 50mm lens you've been waiting for."

"The R with the RF 50 f/1.2 easily rules over the 5D IV with the EF 50 f/1.2."

Bryan does outline in detail, that the default sharpness of the EOS R is different to the 5DIV. He also explains to take these differences into account.

The combination of the EOS R and 50mm sets a great benchmark for a FF with AF 50mm f/1.2 lens.
Having said that, if someone can't get great to amazing images with a EOS 5DIV and EF 50mm f/1.2 - then it's probably the photographer!
Photographers with decent skill get amazing photos with the EF 50mm f/1.8 STM and EF 50mm f/1.4- with 'lesser DSLRs'. As I have said for 20 years in digital photography, it is often more about the skill than the kit.

PJ

While I generally agree, once you put the RF 50 against the Sigma 50 Art and the Zeiss Otus 55, the RF 50 doesn't seem so impressive to me. I think that might have been what chrysoberyl was getting at. Yes the RF 50 is up there but it doesn't seem to me to be a step forward over what was already available. (That said, sharpness isn't everything so will be interesting to see more comparisons.)

 

[martti]

Three stores that I looked on their website have them marked as 'in stock'.
Take the lead from here

https://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/

Thank you. None of them deliver abroad. B&H doesn't either, nor Amazon. 42 Street Photo will email me when they have stock. A Hong Kong shop would but not at 1998 dollars.

 

[Mr Majestyk]

No chance. I'll wait for their real mirrorless effort. Until they have a much better sensor with fast readout, they'll struggle for AF performance. The body is nice, the lenses are nice, but not interested in a video crippled, no IBIS, mirrorless 6DII with a 5D4 sensor.

 

[justaCanonuser]

I already have two ML FF bodies from Canon's R(angefinder) system, including some nice "R" lenses...

Seriously, I am going to test an EOS R when my local shop has it available, and then I'll make my mind up. I am tempted by some RF lenses (the more expensive ones I fear)...

 

[chrysoberyl]

You do understand that the sharpness is mostly determined by the sharpness setting that the user chooses. So you can't really compare sharpness results from different cameras.

Oh, absolutely. The Sigma 135 Art on a 5DS is bound to look sharper than the 50 on the R. I expect the next Canon FF mirrorless will have substantially more pixels and will be a fairer comparison. At the moment, I would really like to see the Sigma 135 Art adapted to the R.

Some features of R are very appealing. If I was just switching to FF, this would be the camera for me.

 

[Refurb7]

I more than agree. I am not interested in this model. Can I ask which body(ies) do you have?

I have 5D Mark III, 6D, 70D and 77D.

 

[tron]

I have 5D Mark III, 6D, 70D and 77D.

I have 5D Mark IV, 5DsR and 7D MkII. I might sell the 7D MkII since I use 5DsR for birding now. I am satisfied by both 5D MkIV and 5DsR.

 

[Takingshots]

The 2 sticking points from what I read is lack of full 4 K and IBIS. If these 2 features are there, Canon would have sent a message to their competitors that they are still at the forefront of photography. Too bad at $2300 US, a little steep in price with features lacking in today's consumers' want lists. Canon if you are listening, can you upgrade the firmware to the any of the above features. Tempting to buy one but ...waiting to see if competitors upcoming equipment

 

[tron]

The 2 sticking points from what I read is lack of full 4 K and IBIS. If these 2 features are there, Canon would have sent a message to their competitors that they are still at the forefront of photography. Too bad at $2300 US, a little steep in price with features lacking in today's consumers' want lists. Canon if you are listening, can you upgrade the firmware to the any of the above features. Tempting to buy one but ...waiting to see if competitors upcoming equipment

I do not think these two features are only firmware dependent. In that case they would have done it. For now Canon has announced that they will adress other points in firmware like eye-af working only in one shot af.

 

[Mikehit]

The 2 sticking points from what I read is lack of full 4 K and IBIS. If these 2 features are there, Canon would have sent a message to their competitors that they are still at the forefront of photography. Too bad at $2300 US, a little steep in price with features lacking in today's consumers' want lists. Canon if you are listening, can you upgrade the firmware to the any of the above features. Tempting to buy one but ...waiting to see if competitors upcoming equipment

What makes you think that the others did not know this already? I ask because most of the internet seems to have already guessed.
As to whether these define the 'forefront of photography' is highly questionable.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

The 2 sticking points from what I read is lack of full 4 K and IBIS. If these 2 features are there, Canon would have sent a message to their competitors that they are still at the forefront of photography. Too bad at $2300 US, a little steep in price with features lacking in today's consumers' want lists. Canon if you are listening, can you upgrade the firmware to the any of the above features. Tempting to buy one but ...waiting to see if competitors upcoming equipment

I have a 5D MK IV, like many others, I do not use it for video, but having the capability is fine. A dedicated video camera is the way to go for those who actually make a living doing high end video, there is a lot more involved than just 4K.

 

[Viggo]

I’m buying! Selling my 1dx2.

 

[neuroanatomist]

The 2 sticking points from what I read is lack of full 4 K and IBIS. If these 2 features are there, Canon would have sent a message to their competitors that they are still at the forefront of photography.

So 4K video is required to be at the forefront of photography? Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

 

[brad-man]

The 2 sticking points from what I read is lack of full 4 K and IBIS. If these 2 features are there, Canon would have sent a message to their competitors that they are still at the forefront of photography. Too bad at $2300 US, a little steep in price with features lacking in today's consumers' want lists. Canon if you are listening, can you upgrade the firmware to the any of the above features. Tempting to buy one but ...waiting to see if competitors upcoming equipment

I have no doubt that Canon could add IBIS with a firmware update

 

[LesC]

I think we all have very personal requirements as to what we feel the perfect camera for us is. My main camera is the 6D MKII and for ME it's just what I require; FF, small & relatively light, articulating screen and importantly built in GPS.

I think the EOS R is a very good statement of intent from Canon (and indeed the first mirrorless camera to convince me that they will eventually replace dslrs), but for me, no GPS and the price point means I have no need for one at the moment but I suspect in 5 years time most of us will be mirrorless The new lenses certainly look tempting too and if a R mount 24-70 L with IS is in the pipeline, that would tempt me.

 

[tron]

I am pre-ordering the 5DMkV. Oh wait I have to wait a couple of years!

 

[clicstudio]

The 2 sticking points from what I read is lack of full 4 K and IBIS. If these 2 features are there, Canon would have sent a message to their competitors that they are still at the forefront of photography. Too bad at $2300 US, a little steep in price with features lacking in today's consumers' want lists. Canon if you are listening, can you upgrade the firmware to the any of the above features. Tempting to buy one but ...waiting to see if competitors upcoming equipment

A firmware update will NOT give you IBIS...

 

[3kramd5]

A firmware update will NOT give you IBIS...

Unless it’s there and not enabled, like with DPAF in the C100 and C300 before the 70D was released. A firmware update gave those cameras DPAF.

Note: I don’t think that is the case with the EOSR and IBIS, but it’s not unprecedented.

 

[canonmike]

I'm considering buying this camera. But I'll not preorder it. I'm not sure the RF lenses would make me happier than the lenses I now own, especially given their premium prices. So, for me, the camera will need to sell itself. The fact that it is a mirrorless camera is only an afterthought. I would consider buying the EOS R had it been a 6D III with most of the same technology.

I, almost always pass on pre-orders. It's like going down to your local car dlrship and getting the fever so bad you cough up MSRP dollars, only to find much better pricing in just 4-6 mos. Since my current eqpt works just fine, even though I think I would like a new EOS-R, I can wait. Very much surprised that there is not a better break on RF 24-105mm kit pricing. Buy them separate or buy them together, basically same price. In fact, you can buy them separate and save a dollar. Explain that marketing strategy, Canon, or Canon retailer.