POLL: So the 5ds is ~$4k ... will you dump your old 5d3 or 1dx?

How will you react to the 5ds/r release?

  • ... I'll dump my old 1dx

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    334
  • Poll closed .

Oldcracker

I'm New Here
Dec 22, 2014
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Marsu42 said:
dak723 said:
This camera should be the lowest priced FF as it will appeal to those who aren't pros.
Muhahaha, keep 'em coming :)

dak723 said:
In my opinion, I think Canon is making a major marketing blunder.
At least here is no doubt in my mind: unless the camera is severely dr-crippled (and I doubt it with a max of iso6400) it will lift the "18mp sensor forever" burden.

Look at the recent activity in this forum alone, unlike the 5d3 release people aren't nitpicking, complaining about the price or comparing it to the Sonikon competition. Either they say 50mp is fine for some but they don't need it, or they want to add/upgrade to the 5ds. It's a win-win for Canon.
Aren't nitpicking? It seems to me that's exactly what lots of posters are doing, especially those who want an obviously landscape/studio oriented camera to have all the latest video features. Really? I guess it would make lots of sense to offer these features on camera bodies less oriented towards video (and priced lower as well). That way Canon could nicely start to cannibalize their Cxxx video line and apply the coup de grace to the 1Dc. The shareholders would really love that - NOT.
 

tcmatthews

EOS 7D MK II
Jan 6, 2013
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I wait. First I would have to own one of those cameras. If I was shooting events I would own a 5D III. I would not consider giving up a 5DIII ISO performance for a 5Ds.

There is no way I am spending 4k for the privilege of owning a 5ds. For me the 5dIII is still overpriced. I might be able to pick up a A7r II and two lenses for that price. I actually think that the 5ds will be closer to $3500. I will wait until it is $2500 refurbished out to the Canon store and I have bought my current want list. If I do not skip it for something else entirely.

I really want portability in a landscape camera. I am not going to get that out of a 5 series body. Given that an A7r II is rumored to include a ~50mp sensor. It is not like Canon will enjoy the crown long.

But it would be killer for macro. It can get killer detail of slow moving wildlife. You would not need a crop camera when range limited.

I want the following before considering the 5Ds:
  • Canon 16-35f4L
  • Sony FE 35f1.4
  • Sony FE 90 macro

Then I need to decide what to buy next. But all of the above are before I buy a new camera. If Canon announces a new 180 Macro with IS it would go on the list before a camera.
 

Marsu42

Canon Pride.
Feb 7, 2012
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Chuck Alaimo said:
surprised to see so many in the skip it category, wonder how that will change as sample images and reviews come in (though that may not be for a bit).
You could interpret it the other way 'round: 40% are saying they're going to buy the 5ds even w/o having read a review. Of course this heavily biased since it's CR and then a only people mildly interested in high resolution would read such a thread anyway.

But imho this quick poll shows that far more people will buy or are very interested in the 50mp sensor that those who would actually "need" it, making it a clever move from Canon not just to follow Sonikons ~35mp.
 

dr croubie

Too many photos, too little time.
Jun 1, 2011
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Only 50 megapickles?

Yawn.

Come back when there's something to beat my 400MP 4x5" or 330MP 6x17cm Velvia scans. And price it less than $300 for a body and $200 for a lens while you're at it.
 
Sep 16, 2014
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These are very different camera. This is more of a compliment to what I already have and for me, definitely not a necessity. I would not buy it and will not buy t. Now once Canon lowers the price to about $2,000.00 it may be given some consideration but realistically, what does it really offer to the average photographer? Most people run out and buy these camera, shoot a video of themselves opening the camera, and then follow that up with those really dumb low light video tests that really don't tell you anything that you don't already know.

If I get mine, I'll find one of someone else's used on Ebay in about 8 months for a fraction of the cost.
 

tron

EOS 5D SR
Nov 8, 2011
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It's like comparing apples to oranges. Why dump the 5D3 for something that is not a super set?
5D3 has 1fps more and (more importantly) higher ISO capabilities.
 

drjlo

EOS 6D MK II
Mar 27, 2012
805
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It's a bit odd how people complained about needing new computers when Sonikon 36 MP came out, but I haven't seen such comments about the Canon 50 MP sensor ?

Looks like I'm going to keep my 5D3 around for a long while longer and see what comes after the 50 MP Canikony war..
 

martti

EOS 7D MK II
May 11, 2014
692
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With its current price tag, the 1Dx has risen above my event horizon for the very first time.
Which does not make any economical or artistic or sense whatsoever in my case.
But still, that camera is such a statement.
The reality is that I have all the equipment I need. The rate limiting step is my iMac which would benefit greatly from changing its DVD superdrive into an SSD hard drive. Which would set me back 500 dollars and two hours of iFixit bricolage.

The 50 MB can wait.
 

K

EOS RP
Jan 29, 2015
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5DS for me personally:


1. No need for 50MP.

2. 50MP is a workflow issue, despite the fact I have high end PC hardware. Don't want to have to deal with crop modes because in the past they haven't scaled equally in quality (this could be different on the 5DS).

3. Aside from 50MP, the 5DS does nothing significantly better than my 5D3. Although, flicker-free tech, in-camera distortion control and a few other things are nice - they aren't $2,000 nice. ($2,000 is about what I'd have to come up with out of pocket after selling the 5D3, having both isn't an option for me).

4. Price. Too expensive.

5. I need low light capability.


There is a reason Canon said this is NOT a 5D3 replacement.

;D
 

Marsu42

Canon Pride.
Feb 7, 2012
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Btw: The Sony people are wondering if the 5ds is a threat to their brand - this poll shows "no", unless CR visitors vote and uphold the credibility of our beloved brand :)

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/poll-is-canon-becoming-again-a-serious-thread-for-sony/
 

martti

EOS 7D MK II
May 11, 2014
692
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21.1144° S, 55.5325° E
Sony might try to buy some of the business managers from Canon to get their show on the road.
As it is, they are just wasting an enormous amount of technical know-how and intellectual potential which in their unfocused business effort cannot ever create anything that could be called success.
Bottom line. Sony has not learned its importance as yet. See how many brilliant technologies they have introduced and still lost their market dominance. Technology is no enough.
 

Zeidora

EOS 7D MK II
Feb 15, 2015
668
10
5DS r is just what I was looking for. Combines well with my Zeiss lenses for book production. I may do an IR mod on my 5dmkII. The mkIII was a version I skipped, waiting for the 5dS R. Thanks Canon for not wasting energy on movie nonsense and lowlight. For serious lowlight, take a clue from microscopy cameras with binning, but with 2x2 binning you reduce sensor size to 12.5 MP (I have a Zeiss Axicam HRc RevIII on my stereo and compound scopes).
 
Dec 9, 2014
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Absolutely not... Maximum 6400 iso and nearly 4k is a waste of money. I'll wait to see what the 1d mark II OFFERS.
 
Oct 13, 2013
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The results of the poll are quite shocking, when i voted "skip 5DS/R" i thought i was going to be in the minority.
For me the dynamic range being the same as the 7D2 is ridiculous and means Canon have not really bothered to make a camera for the landscapers apart from greater resolution (although subsequent testing of the camera may prove that image quality is better with Canon being modest) resolution can be created by stitching any way although bit of a chore
I will have to seriously think this through but it probably means carry on as i was and save money for travel rather than equipment.
 

martti

EOS 7D MK II
May 11, 2014
692
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21.1144° S, 55.5325° E
Unless my 5DIII breaks, there is no reason to dump it.
The more I use the a6000 the more I like it. My next camera body might be an alpha 7x or something.
Honestly, for me there is no need to upgrqade from 5DIII.
 

privatebydesign

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Jan 29, 2011
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Hazmatt said:
The results of the poll are quite shocking, when i voted "skip 5DS/R" i thought i was going to be in the minority.
For me the dynamic range being the same as the 7D2 is ridiculous and means Canon have not really bothered to make a camera for the landscapers apart from greater resolution (although subsequent testing of the camera may prove that image quality is better with Canon being modest) resolution can be created by stitching any way although bit of a chore
I will have to seriously think this through but it probably means carry on as i was and save money for travel rather than equipment.
Then you don't understand why Canon made the cameras or who they made them for.

Over 26% of respondents say they are going to buy one, that is a crazy good uptake rate for such a specialised tool.

The 5DS/R are not meant to be 5D MkIII or 1DX replacements, they are meant to be complimentary niche products for those comparatively few shooters that need the specific feature set the new cameras give.
 

quod

EOS RP
Dec 3, 2013
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martti said:
Unless my 5DIII breaks, there is no reason to dump it.
I agree. I want a high megapixel camera, but that sensor is a no-go. If the A7R2 has EFC and roughly the same DR as the A7R, I will probably get it. Even if I get the Sony, I will still keep the 5D3 for wildlife.
 
Oct 13, 2013
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Then you don't understand why Canon made the cameras or who they made them for.

Over 26% of respondents say they are going to buy one, that is a crazy good uptake rate for such a specialised tool.

The 5DS/R are not meant to be 5D MkIII or 1DX replacements, they are meant to be complimentary niche products for those comparatively few shooters that need the specific feature set the new cameras give.
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Well thats quite surprising and i do understand who they made it for and was hoping that would include me but it does not for the reason i stated. There is better out there for my needs and the next iterations of the competition will leave Canon even further behind. This is a real shame i do not understand what they are playing at its even worse as the glass they are producing is amazing. i have enough gear to take photos with so i will probably just sit this one out but if money was no object I'm sorry to say i would have to take the leap. I will say though that everything i have owned from Canon has worked flawlessly and cameras have been handed on in the family and they all still work.