Potential Canon EOS R Mark II specifications [CR1]

cayenne

EOR R
Mar 28, 2012
2,078
200
Canon has backed themselves into a wall with their lens pricing, especially with f/2.8 IMO. Asking 2200-3000 per lens means that both Sigma and Tamron will be able to move I to a 3rd party market with a strong following. If Tamron can maintain the quality they have in the SP G2 series, it will be killer. I rented all the lenses I wanted to try out before I made my decision but in the end all of my f/2.8 glass is Tamron. Some faster primes are Canon or Sigma Art series. Canon isn't even competitive anymore. Price vs quality doesn't make it up as some third party lenses have better quality housing and the differences were slight with certain tests being won by third party glass and others with Canon L glass. With the number of camera sales diminishing yearly, you would think that Canon would want to take advantage of RF glass for marketshare
I've aways heard that AF on 3rd party lenses never perform quite as well as the native Canon glass, especially the "L" stuff.

Are people saying this is no longer true on the RF glass?

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SecureGSM

2 x 5D IV
Feb 26, 2017
1,594
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Did/Do you write to the CF and SD cards simultaneously on your 5Dx presently?

I always used the SD as a failsafe in case the CF card filled up while in the "head of battle"......I'd never really thought of trying to shoot to both at same time...
But, that's just me....wondering if you presently do with current 5D series and if this is wide spread?

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yes, I do.. I cannot afford risking my photos. It is better safe than sorry. :(
 
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Aaron Lozano

I'm New Here
Nov 12, 2019
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Canon has backed themselves into a wall with their lens pricing, especially with f/2.8 IMO. Asking 2200-3000 per lens means that both Sigma and Tamron will be able to move I to a 3rd party market with a strong following. If Tamron can maintain the quality they have in the SP G2 series, it will be killer. I rented all the lenses I wanted to try out before I made my decision but in the end all of my f/2.8 glass is Tamron. Some faster primes are Canon or Sigma Art series. Canon isn't even competitive anymore. Price vs quality doesn't make it up as some third party lenses have better quality housing and the differences were slight with certain tests being won by third party glass and others with Canon L glass. With the number of camera sales diminishing yearly, you would think that Canon would want to take advantage of RF glass for marketshare
The lens pricing will lower. Canon always has a very high price for lens on release, then they go down with time.

Sigma is really upping the level with their art series thou, pity they almost always have that yellow cast (all the ones I tried. Tamron have nice colour rendition and are up to speed lately.
 

mkamelg

I'm New Here
Feb 1, 2015
20
7
Poland
12 fps would be an incredible upgrade from one body to the next:cool:

5mp EVF too... this could be the killer R everybody was waiting for. Sounds good to me!
Instead of increasing the frame rate per second, it would be better if Canon focused on improving other aspects of the AF system.

Their engineers should watch this video and answer the question "why they can do it and we can't".


Last weekend I had the opportunity to photograph for the first time with the EOS R camera a local drift event taking place on the occasion of an annual charity event named WOŚP. I take this type of photos a maximum of maybe twice a year.

From 315 registered files including two videos, I decided to publish 25 photos and these two videos https://www.flickr.com/photos/mkamelg/albums/72157709566241721/page2 where I'm really happy with maybe a few photos. I was used one of my EF lenses via an adapter. It was a bad experience for me compared to my previous camera which was EOS 5DS, mainly because of the delay in EVF display when taking continuous photos.

Why there's no AF point frame during shooting when "High speed continuous" drive mode is selected in "ONE SHOT AF" operation?

Why AF point frame is available during shooting when "High speed continuous (Shoot. speed priority)" drive mode is selected in "SERVO AF" operation, but with full mechanical shutter "SERVO AF" is horrible slow and inaccurate?

Why with the chosen AF method "Zone AF", when "High speed continuous (Shoot. speed priority)" drive mode was selected in "SERVO AF" operation, camera couldn't focus on the drifting car coming straight at me?

Why there's not available something like "Pinpoint AF" which is available in Nikon Z6/7/50 cameras? Can this be considered equivalent to "Spot AF" known from some Canon DSLR cameras?


Does it bring any benefits? Definitely yes if you are using a lens with an older mount connected to the camera via an adapter.

 

gmon750

EOS T7i
Jan 30, 2015
85
38
I know SD cards are a dime a dozen, but I want dual card slots of the SAME configuration. In this case, dual CFExpress slots would be preferred. SD Cards just don't have the bandwidth to handle high-megapixel, fast-shooting events.

It's my hope that Canon's "pro" R bodies will incorporate identical card slots.
 
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MadScotsman

EOS R / RP
Sep 9, 2019
32
69
I know SD cards are a dime a dozen, but I want dual card slots of the SAME configuration. In this case, dual CFExpress slots would be preferred. SD Cards just don't have the bandwidth to handle high-megapixel, fast-shooting events.

It's my hope that Canon's "pro" R bodies will incorporate identical card slots.
This is perfect!

It's the exact reason I was a little disappointed that Canon caved to the card slot cry babies.

Now it's "But they're not there SAME?!?!"

Hate to be the one to say "I told you so." But...

No.

Wait.

That's just not true.

I absolutely LOVE to be the one to say "I told you so!"

I told you so.
 
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YuengLinger

EOS 5D MK IV
Dec 20, 2012
2,792
990
Southeastern USA
This is perfect!

It's the exact reason I was a little disappointed that Canon caved to the card slot cry babies.

Now it's "But they're not there SAME?!?!"

Hate to be the one to say "I told you so." But...

No.

Wait.

That's just not true.

I absolutely LOVE to be the one to say "I told you so!"

I told you so.

It was a significant problem with the 5DIII. We had to choose between performance or having a second card for backup. It was a truly dumb mix of cards on Canon's part.

The 5DIV didn't seem nearly as bad. The two card slots were much better matched.

Hopefully we'll have another good match on the next 5DR.
 

YuengLinger

EOS 5D MK IV
Dec 20, 2012
2,792
990
Southeastern USA
Why there's no AF point frame during shooting when "High speed continuous" drive mode is selected in "ONE SHOT AF" operation?

Why AF point frame is available during shooting when "High speed continuous (Shoot. speed priority)" drive mode is selected in "SERVO AF" operation, but with full mechanical shutter "SERVO AF" is horrible slow and inaccurate?

Why with the chosen AF method "Zone AF", when "High speed continuous (Shoot. speed priority)" drive mode was selected in "SERVO AF" operation, camera couldn't focus on the drifting car coming straight at me?

Why there's not available something like "Pinpoint AF" which is available in Nikon Z6/7/50 cameras? Can this be considered equivalent to "Spot AF" known from some Canon DSLR cameras?
Ok. I give up. Why?
 
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gmon750

EOS T7i
Jan 30, 2015
85
38
This is perfect!

It's the exact reason I was a little disappointed that Canon caved to the card slot cry babies.

Now it's "But they're not there SAME?!?!"

Hate to be the one to say "I told you so." But...

No.

Wait.

That's just not true.

I absolutely LOVE to be the one to say "I told you so!"

I told you so.
I'm not sure Canon "caved in" to SD-card purists. I think they just kept the status quo. I think most photographers want the dual slots primarily for redundancy/backup, nothing more. I own a 5DM3 and I never have it set to anything other that dual writes. It irks me to the Nth-degree when my SD card stalls on writes and the CompactFlash is waiting for the SD card to catch up.

Maybe Canon is reserving it for pro-models? I hope. The 1DX has identical slots, let's hope they do the same for pro R-bodies.
 
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SecureGSM

2 x 5D IV
Feb 26, 2017
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The lens pricing will lower. Canon always has a very high price for lens on release, then they go down with time.

Sigma is really upping the level with their art series thou, pity they almost always have that yellow cast (all the ones I tried. Tamron have nice colour rendition and are up to speed lately.
Yes, Sigma’s colours are a bit warmer than Canon’s one. I wonder if that was due to the properties of the anti glare coating that they use?
 

Joules

EOS 7D MK II
Jul 16, 2017
575
540
Hamburg, Germany
Instead of increasing the frame rate per second, it would be better if Canon focused on improving other aspects of the AF system.
That's not a one-or-the-other situation. Especially their improvements in throughput demonstrated on the M6 II (At 455 MP/s Canon's fastest ILC, beating for example the Nikon Z7 or Canon 1DX III at ~400 MP/s each) allow them to also deliver better AF and AE. Expect to see these improved even further in upcoming R bodies that feature the new DIGIC X processor.

I was used one of my EF lenses via an adapter. It was a bad experience for me compared to my previous camera which was EOS 5DS, mainly because of the delay in EVF display when taking continuous photos.
The viewfinder needs an RF lens attached to operate at the smoothest setting. This is unfortunate, but I would hope it's also just a quirk of the first RF body iteration.

Why with the chosen AF method "Zone AF", when "High speed continuous (Shoot. speed priority)" drive mode was selected in "SERVO AF" operation, camera couldn't focus on the drifting car coming straight at me?
Without an idea of the lens used or the look and speed of the car no one can tell you of course. In any case, the R is not an ideal body to evaluate Canon's tracking abilities on mirrorless bodies. There's a reason we're hearing rumors about a replacement less than two years after its launch.

Why there's not available something like "Pinpoint AF" which is available in Nikon Z6/7/50 cameras? Can this be considered equivalent to "Spot AF" known from some Canon DSLR cameras?
Another first iteration quirk. The RP has spot AF as far as I'm aware, no idea why Canon didn't put it on the R yet. The RP also has focus stacking capabilities that the R doesn't. Canon is just weird like that.
 
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centuaryseries

I'm New Here
Aug 4, 2014
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Quirkz

EOS RP
Oct 30, 2014
200
141
I think my larger question is...if this R sounds like the 5D5 expected equivalent, they why would Canon do a DSLR 5D5 at all, and not just go with the 5DR type thing?
I think the answer is as simple as:

‘because dSLRs still sell, and some people still want them, so let’s make ALL of the money, and not just half of the money’
 
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cayenne

EOR R
Mar 28, 2012
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I think the answer is as simple as:

‘because dSLRs still sell, and some people still want them, so let’s make ALL of the money, and not just half of the money’
OH, I agree mostly for the short term, but as some others smarter than I have said, they likely will conserver manufacturing costs soon and consolidate to more all mirrorless as I believe they think that is the future.

And with the announcement that Canon doesn't intend any further research and development on EF mounted lenses and only concentrating on the RF lens series...I think the writing is on the wall for DSLR.
 

padam

EOS 7D MK II
Aug 26, 2015
686
289
I know SD cards are a dime a dozen, but I want dual card slots of the SAME configuration. In this case, dual CFExpress slots would be preferred. SD Cards just don't have the bandwidth to handle high-megapixel, fast-shooting events.

It's my hope that Canon's "pro" R bodies will incorporate identical card slots.
In case of the EOS R II, They won't do that due to size constraints, also it is not a good idea to force everyone to go and buy those CFExpress cards, the fastest UHS-II cards have an average write speed of over 180MB/s in the EOS R, that is pretty fast (5D Mark IV can only go to 110MB/s with CF and it's not a slow camera) and it can probably go further in the next iteration with Digic X with an improved buffer as well.

If they do one 1DX III equivalent with a built-in vertical grip and a big battery that enables higher frame rates for double the cost, that might have it (but it won't have the resolution).
 

gmon750

EOS T7i
Jan 30, 2015
85
38
In case of the EOS R II, They won't do that due to size constraints, also it is not a good idea to force everyone to go and buy those CFExpress cards, the fastest UHS-II cards have an average write speed of over 180MB/s in the EOS R, that is pretty fast (5D Mark IV can only go to 110MB/s with CF and it's not a slow camera) and it can probably go further in the next iteration with Digic X with an improved buffer as well.

If they do one 1DX III equivalent with a built-in vertical grip and a big battery that enables higher frame rates for double the cost, that might have it (but it won't have the resolution).
Dual slots are a necessity for anyone taking photos with real money involved in their shots. Be it a wedding photographer being paid thousands of dollars for those special, once-in-a-lifetime shots, or photographers involved in photoshoots with hundreds or thousands of dollars invested in addition to manpower. It's not debatable.

I fall in that group that will not accept one card in a camera. I've had cards fail in my 5DM3 only to be saved by the redundant card. It happens. So if Canon has to make grip changes to accommodate two cards, then that's what is going to have to happen. I know many others photographers that will not do any work using a single-slot camera. Others have different needs and opinions. Mine may not apply to others, but it is important to us.

Will be interesting to see what Canon does on this.
 

padam

EOS 7D MK II
Aug 26, 2015
686
289
Dual slots are a necessity for anyone taking photos with real money involved in their shots. Be it a wedding photographer being paid thousands of dollars for those special, once-in-a-lifetime shots, or photographers involved in photoshoots with hundreds or thousands of dollars invested in addition to manpower. It's not debatable.

I fall in that group that will not accept one card in a camera. I've had cards fail in my 5DM3 only to be saved by the redundant card. It happens. So if Canon has to make grip changes to accommodate two cards, then that's what is going to have to happen. I know many others photographers that will not do any work using a single-slot camera. Others have different needs and opinions. Mine may not apply to others, but it is important to us.

Will be interesting to see what Canon does on this.
I didn't write it won't have two card slots, I wrote that it won't have dual CFExpress slots.