Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

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Famateur said:
K, it seems pretty clear that you would choose the D750 over the 6DII if both were placed in front of you. Fair enough. I say, go for it, and enjoy taking photographs and videos. Maybe just stop tossing out assumptions and pejoratives at those who have a different opinion, eh?

You've compared the specs of the D750 and the (rumored) specs of the 6DII and concluded that the D750 from 2014 is comparable or even superior, and with a lower price, is the no-brainer choice, which makes Canon look foolish and out-of-touch.

You're entitled to your opinion.

I wonder, though, if you've ever used DPAF in conjunction with an articulating touch screen. For how quickly you dismissed those features in your comparison, my guess is that the answer is no. For many like me, they are significant and compelling features that we don't want to give up. It was a lack of these two features that caused me to wait for a 6DII instead of getting the 6D. I'm glad I did, because now Canon has delivered pretty much everything I want in an entry-level full-frame camera.

Some thoughts on product segmentation and the value proposition:

A few years ago, if you wanted a Canon full-frame camera, you could choose between the 5D series and the 1D series. If you wanted a Nikon full-frame, you could choose between the D800/810 and the D4. Canon saw an opportunity for an entry-level full-frame camera and introduced the 6D. It was widely panned by forum-dwellers and YouTubers for it's weak spec sheet, but it was ultimately a very successful product for Canon.

Nikon introduced the D600 as its response and direct competitor to the 6D. It was widely lauded by forum-dwellers and YouTubers, but it had significant issues and was quickly replaced by the D610. Nikon saw an opportunity to introduce a product positioned between the D610 and D800/810 and came up with the D750.

There was, and still is, no direct product segment in Canon's line-up to compete with the D750.

I was excited by that D750 announcement -- not because I was tempted to switch, but because it was the first full-frame camera with non-fixed LCD, and I knew that if it was successful, we'd probably see one in the 6DII. Thankfully, the D750 was a great camera and was reasonably successful. Quite good news for Canon shooters.

The problem, though, with comparing it to the 6DII is that they are not and never were intended to be direct competitors. You're comparing a 2014 camera...that was positioned in a higher product tier:

D800/810 competes with 5D series
D750 competes with...hmm...nothing
D610 competes with 6D series

I think I get your point, though -- it's about what you get for your money that makes it compelling...to you. Why spend $2K for a 6DII when you could spend less on a D750, or you could buy a used 5DIII?

For me, I see a bunch of good reasons why I'd spend more for the 6DII than less for the D750:

1. I get 45 cross-type AF points instead of 15.
2. I get a fully articulating screen instead of tilt only.
3. I get touch screen instead of no touch screen.
4. I get DPAF over focus hunting.
5. I get Canon colors from the sensor.
6. I get Canon menus and ergonomics.
7. I get Bluetooth and NFC.
8. I keep my L lenses.
9. I get Canon reliability.
10. I get Canon support.

I would not trade the above for an extra card slot or a negligible difference in dynamic range. I would, in fact, pay more than a D750 would cost just to have the above.

Why not a used 5DIII? The DPAF and articulating screen are that important to me. Plus, the 6DII will likely have a better sensor than the 5DIII, and sensor is the only reason I'm moving up from my 70D in the first place.

Simply put, the 6DII is a worthwhile upgrade for me. It has pretty much everything I'm wanting for a body in this tier. Nikon could release a D760 (still a higher-tier product) that's better, or even a D610 successor that's better, and I won't give a hoot because I'll be happily shooting a camera that meets my needs for an amount I was willing to pay.

The above is called a value proposition. This one applies to me and can only be defined by me. Yours is different and can only be defined by you. Just understand that while YOU see the D750 as a better body for less money, others see it very differently. That doesn't make them apologists or fanatics or fools-settling-for-less-at-higher-cost.

Canon's job, as a business, is to get a feel for what the value proposition looks like to as many people as possible in its target market segment, and then build the product (and at a price) that satisfies it. Given it's track record and position in the industry, it seems Canon is particularly good at it.
Nice post. My last (FF) purchase was the 5DMk2, I have 3 L series lenses that I love using. The 17-40 F4L, the 100-400 L and the 85mm F1.2 L. As I have this glass I want to stay Canon. The 6D Mk2 ticks the right boxes for me.

Better AF (45 Cross Points) the 5DMk2 focusing is ho-hum, its pretty poor, even compared to my 30D!
Better Dynamic Range (I hope the 6DMk2 outperforms my 8 year old 5DMk2)
Better ISO noise handling

Tilty screen, erm, well my 700D has that, and i use that as my travel camera which I have a few great EF-S lenses for (the 10-18 is brilliant, nifty fifty of course and the 55-250, much better now with IS).

DPAF, well I might shoot some video, but I hardly ever do. I guess I won't see the benefit of DPAF in stills, unless I use live view to shoot? which I won't if I am not using a tripod. My mostly landscape and architecture subjects don't need super fast focusing or xxx fps anyway.

I want to replace my 5DMk2 mostly because of age, I will still use it of course, but safe in the knowledge I have a capable partner for it. I think the 6DMk2 will become my main body.

Can't wait ;)
 

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privatebydesign said:
I believe twin slots is a marketing device designed to ease the move up the range. If it was for the reason of data backup then the slots would be the same and there would be no penalty or feature restriction if you mirror information to both at the same time, i.e. actually make a 'backup'. But that is not how Canon have ever implemented dual card slots, they do it seemingly with more a mind to easing the transition up the range for people with cards from 'lower' specced cameras.

Even the 1DX MkII loses features to it's second slot. Nikon on the other hand do make true dual slot cameras where both slots take the same media and there are no limitations when duplicating, however you can't shoot tethered and to card with a Nikon, something I do regularly.

Canon's implementation of dual slots does not allow for "data peace of mind" and any pro who's contract doesn't limit liability for technical and other 'unforeseeable' issues to costs only is a fool.
I wouldn't say 'not ever'...the 1D X has two identical CF card slots, and thus I have "data peace of mind."
 
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How long before we see sample pictures? And any word on new software for it, like in early rumors?

(Also, what happened to the new gold box it was supposed to come in?)
 

ahsanford

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scrup said:
No 4K?

Does that mean no 4K in the next upgrade of crop cameras as well unless you get a 7Diii?
That's unrelated to this announcement as a 6D2 is not categorically 'higher' in feature set vs. some crop models, but it's an interesting question.

Off the cuff? 90D.

But it's really just a question of which 'nicer' rig comes out next -- 90D, 7D3 or 5DS2. The timing is somewhat close, actually:

Date 80D was released: 3/24/16
##D product line rough refresh timing: Medium length, about 3 years
Best guess of a 90D date: 6/24/19

Date 7D2 was released: 11/1/2014
7D# product line rough refresh timing: Long, about 5 years
Best guess of a 7D3 date: 11/1/2019

Date 5DS was released: 6/15/2015
5DS product line rough refresh timing: None. First offering.
5D# product line rough refresh timing (as a reference): Long. 4-5 years.
Best guess of a 5DS2 date: End of 2019?

Leaving out a new product line being released altogether (mirrorless?) or new Cinema/Camcorder-y offerings, I'd say the next rig to get 4K will be the 90D.

I could very well be wrong, though. A boatload of new Rebels may come out by then.

- A
 

intrigue.photography

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privatebydesign said:
Famateur said:
Orangutan said:
intrigue.photography said:
LonelyBoy said:
intrigue.photography said:
Whelp... Looks like I made the right decision in going with the Nikon D750 (with lens for the same price as this body). One card slot on a $2k camera is a deal killer for me. :eek:

I was really hoping they wouldn't do this so I could keep using my Canon lenses on a rig with DPAF and a tilty screen.
You might be the only person around here who actually bought one of those instead of just complaining that Canon doesn't make one. Good job! In all sincerity. :)
If Canon was hoping to force people to by a 5D4 by limiting features... I hope they read this because, well, it forced me to by a Nikon. My 6D is now collecting dust, and my 7D2 is my new emergency backup for weddings.

And yes, I've written Canon and left reviews on their site. So, they do know how I feel.
Excellent! I'm glad you found gear that fits your need, and simultaneously put pressure on Canon. It's good for you, and good for Canon shooters.
+1
I can't believe anybody made a system purchasing decision based on the number of card slots a model has. Af, ergonomics, lens selections etc etc I can understand, but two card slots over one? That is a rediculous defining differentiator. It smells of 'I want to be a pro and 'pro' cameras have two card slots so I can only buy a camera tha has those two card slots.' Marketing gone mad, or effective depending on your viewpoint.

How good are those two Nikon card slots when you are shooting tethered?
The funny thing is, photography is precisely how I pay my bills. So, I guess that qualifies me as a professional. You had no way of knowing that, so no offense on my end. :)

My wife and I run a photography outfit, and our bread and butter is weddings. Most wedding photographers will agree that the vast majority of the shots taken during the course of the day are irreplaceable memories. Contracts protect you financially. Dual card slots protect your reputation and, as mentioned above, our client's memories. I learned my lesson early on... The first unpaid wedding we shot as a favor to a family member, I had a card fail on my 6D. Luckily, I was able to recover the files. However, it's not something I am ever willing to risk again. Two cards writing raw files simultaneously are an absolutely mandatory requirement.

My wife has had a D750 since it was released, while I've been chugging along with my Canon gear hoping that they would release a FF with a tilt screen and two slots (I had the 70D for a spell and loved the flexibility that it allowed). The 6DII will be close, but no cigar. It disappoints me, as there's a lot that I do love about Canon.

As for Nikon and Canon compared, I am quite happy with the lenses available to both. Are there are better options on either side? Sure. As far as my new D750 is concerned, the VF AF works like a dream and really doesn't miss unless I do. The 3D tracking is far superior to Canon's sub par ITR that I've tried and really don't trust on my 7DII. To me having the tilting screen is a huge plus when shooting overhead shots during the reception, and when getting candid shots shooting from the hip. It's kinda hard to frame a shot when you can't see what you're shooting.

The great outdoors and wedding venues are our studio. So, in house studio work is of zero consequence to us. I could not care any less about tethering. I require equipment that gets the shot out in the field, that protects my client's memories (hence, dual slots), and has the features important to me.

Not to mention... It makes zero business sense to pay more than double to get a 5DIV that doesn't even have the features that make my life easier (flip screen, better sensor still for high contrast scenes, & spot metering linked to AF point), is also heavier (a big deal for all day affairs), and has a less comfortable grip (also a big deal for all day affairs). So, I was really really hoping the 6DII would check the boxes.
 

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magarity said:
intrigue.photography said:
One card slot on a $2k camera is a deal killer for me. :eek:
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. SDXC come in up to 512GB in a single card. I know event photographers can take a lot of pictures in a day but nobody's finger can fill a half TB without a break.
100% serious. It's not about capacity. It's about the ability to seamlessly have a safeguard in place, in case a card fails. If I can add an extra layer of peace of mind to my wedding photography business, you betcha that is something very important to me.

For personal work, I can understand not needing this. For someone paying thousands to document their day, it's irresponsible to play with their memories and my reputation.
 

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Everything looks good minus the single card slot.
 

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intrigue.photography said:
For someone paying thousands to document their day, it's irresponsible to play with their memories and my reputation.
Then don't by a 6DII. Easy.
 

intrigue.photography

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privatebydesign said:
ahsanford said:
magarity said:
intrigue.photography said:
One card slot on a $2k camera is a deal killer for me. :eek:
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. SDXC come in up to 512GB in a single card. I know event photographers can take a lot of pictures in a day but nobody's finger can fill a half TB without a break.
Far be it from me to defend a position I don't care about as I am no pro and I never use both slots on my 5D3, but...

I believe the argument for two cards is that a single card slot camera -- either through a camera problem or much more likely a card failure -- could lose an entire day's work that cannot be reshot (weddings immediately come to mind). Lawsuits, scorched earth bridezilla, and all that a failed card could bring about might be insured against with second card slot on board.

In that sense, with a single slot 6D2, Canon is effectively positioning 'data peace of mind' as a premium feature and not a responsibility to deliver to its customers. Somewhere in the product line, Canon logically needs to pick where you get one vs. where you get two. Many would argue (not necessarily me) that a $2k rig should be above the single card relegation line.

You might call it nerfing or 'product portfolio by deliberate feature omission', but Canon sees it as a way to keep its costs down / margins up. That's business.

I won't lose a wink of sleep over this, but that's my guess why some folks are bent out of shape at this rumor. In short, their priorities are not ours. Let them stew about this injustice, I say ::) -- it's a free internet.

- A
And I don't.

I believe twin slots is a marketing device designed to ease the move up the range. If it was for the reason of data backup then the slots would be the same and there would be no penalty or feature restriction if you mirror information to both at the same time, i.e. actually make a 'backup'. But that is not how Canon have ever implemented dual card slots, they do it seemingly with more a mind to easing the transition up the range for people with cards from 'lower' specced cameras.

Even the 1DX MkII loses features to it's second slot. Nikon on the other hand do make true dual slot cameras where both slots take the same media and there are no limitations when duplicating, however you can't shoot tethered and to card with a Nikon, something I do regularly.

Canon's implementation of dual slots does not allow for "data peace of mind" and any pro who's contract doesn't limit liability for technical and other 'unforeseeable' issues to costs only is a fool.
Though they may limit the capabilities of the second card slot, you can still simultaneously write to both. It is still a backup of your data and will provide more peace of mind than a single card slot will.

As I mentioned in reply to another one of your responses... While a contract may protect your liability, that contract won't protect your reputation or your client's memories. Protecting all of these aspects to the best of one's ability is the responsible thing to do in my line of work.
 

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neuroanatomist said:
intrigue.photography said:
For someone paying thousands to document their day, it's irresponsible to play with their memories and my reputation.
Then don't by a 6DII. Easy.
Indeed it is easy. :) I'm already enjoying my new D750.
 

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intrigue.photography said:
neuroanatomist said:
intrigue.photography said:
For someone paying thousands to document their day, it's irresponsible to play with their memories and my reputation.
Then don't by a 6DII. Easy.
Indeed it is easy. :) I'm already enjoying my new D750.
So you're pissed because one Canon camera doesn't offer what the D750 offers? You do realize that Canon has plenty of cameras that beat the crap out of the D750 right? It's one camera dude. Grow up and be a professional.
 
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Famateur said:
A few years ago, if you wanted a Canon full-frame camera, you could choose between the 5D series and the 1D series. If you wanted a Nikon full-frame, you could choose between the D800/810 and the D4. Canon saw an opportunity for an entry-level full-frame camera and introduced the 6D. It was widely panned by forum-dwellers and YouTubers for it's weak spec sheet, but it was ultimately a very successful product for Canon.

Nikon introduced the D600 as its response and direct competitor to the 6D.
LOL - Nikon went back into the future to build a camera to compete with the 6D

http://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D600-vs-Canon-EOS-6D
 

ahsanford

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bdunbar79 said:
So you're pissed because one Canon camera doesn't offer what the D750 offers? You do realize that Canon has plenty of cameras that beat the crap out of the D750 right? It's one camera dude. Grow up and be a professional.
Meanwhile, a bunch of D750 owners are crying a river that their video autofocus resembles a VHS camcorder circa 1987.

The grass is always greener, folks. My personal whinefests are for spot metering at any AF point and a better, modern 50 prime made by Canon that is not a pickle jar.

Yet somehow life goes on and I don't frantically flip all my gear. That's because Canon generally does everything else just fine for me.

- A
 

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scrup said:
Famateur said:
A few years ago, if you wanted a Canon full-frame camera, you could choose between the 5D series and the 1D series. If you wanted a Nikon full-frame, you could choose between the D800/810 and the D4. Canon saw an opportunity for an entry-level full-frame camera and introduced the 6D. It was widely panned by forum-dwellers and YouTubers for it's weak spec sheet, but it was ultimately a very successful product for Canon.

Nikon introduced the D600 as its response and direct competitor to the 6D.
LOL - Nikon went back into the future to build a camera to compete with the 6D

http://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D600-vs-Canon-EOS-6D
LOL - that's a great site you linked, it has both announcement dates wrong. By the way, I read on the Internet that the word gullible is not in the dictionary…

Just to clarify, both cameras were announced a few days apart (the D600 first) in September, 2012.

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/about-nikon/press-room/press-release/h6tve4go/Performance-that-Fuels-the-Passion%3A-The-New-Nikon-D600-Puts-FX-Format-in-Focus-for-Photo-Enthusiasts.html

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/about/newsroom/press-releases/press-release-details/2012/20120917_eos6d_pressreleasedata/20120917_eos6d_pressreleasedata
 

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bdunbar79 said:
intrigue.photography said:
neuroanatomist said:
intrigue.photography said:
For someone paying thousands to document their day, it's irresponsible to play with their memories and my reputation.
Then don't by a 6DII. Easy.
Indeed it is easy. :) I'm already enjoying my new D750.
So you're pissed because one Canon camera doesn't offer what the D750 offers? You do realize that Canon has plenty of cameras that beat the crap out of the D750 right? It's one camera dude. Grow up and be a professional.
Truly... Canon doesn't offer ONE camera that has everything that is useful to me. If I want a flip screen, I have to give up a card slot (not happening). If I want two card slots, I have to use my APSC 7DII or buy a 5DIV and still not have the flip screen that is so often very useful in my work. If I want spot metering linked to the AF point (pretty damn useful out in the world), I have to spend $6k (and still give up the flip screen and carry around a brick). If I want a sensor that rivals the best at base ISO? Canon doesn't even have one of those. How about viewfinder AF tracking? Canon's antiquated ITR doesn't even come close to Nikon's 3D.

Being disappointed does not equate to being pissed. Being rude when you haven't bothered to read the entire story? Well, that's your territory apparently.

Being a professional is about making money no? Why on earth would I spend more than 2x MORE to get something that doesn't have everything I want, in the 5DIV? That makes ZERO business sense.

The only thing Canon bodies have going for them over Nikon in my experience is really DPAF. It is lovely. I would love to have it and it's the reason I waited as long as I could to find out whether or not the 6DII would have 2 memory slots. It doesn't seem that it will, so Canon lost a customer. That's business.

Is there such a thing as a perfect rig? Surely not. But dollar for dollar, I couldn't find a better value out there than what I have.
 

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intrigue.photography said:
bdunbar79 said:
intrigue.photography said:
neuroanatomist said:
intrigue.photography said:
For someone paying thousands to document their day, it's irresponsible to play with their memories and my reputation.
Then don't by a 6DII. Easy.
Indeed it is easy. :) I'm already enjoying my new D750.
So you're pissed because one Canon camera doesn't offer what the D750 offers? You do realize that Canon has plenty of cameras that beat the crap out of the D750 right? It's one camera dude. Grow up and be a professional.
Truly... Canon doesn't offer ONE camera that has everything that is useful to me. If I want a flip screen, I have to give up a card slot (not happening). If I want two card slots, I have to use my APSC 7DII or buy a 5DIV and still not have the flip screen that is so often very useful in my work. If I want spot metering linked to the AF point (pretty damn useful out in the world), I have to spend $6k (and still give up the flip screen and carry around a brick). If I want a sensor that rivals the best at base ISO? Canon doesn't even have one of those. How about viewfinder AF tracking? Canon's antiquated ITR doesn't even come close to Nikon's 3D.

Being disappointed does not equate to being pissed. Being rude when you haven't bothered to read the entire story? Well, that's your territory apparently.

Being a professional is about making money no? Why on earth would I spend more than 2x MORE to get something that doesn't have everything I want, in the 5DIV? That makes ZERO business sense.

The only thing Canon bodies have going for them over Nikon in my experience is really DPAF. It is lovely. I would love to have it and it's the reason I waited as long as I could to find out whether or not the 6DII would have 2 memory slots. It doesn't seem that it will, so Canon lost a customer. That's business.

Is there such a thing as a perfect rig? Surely not. But dollar for dollar, I couldn't find a better value out there than what I have.
Let me put it this way then: Who cares?
 

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intrigue.photography said:
The funny thing is, photography is precisely how I pay my bills. So, I guess that qualifies me as a professional. You had no way of knowing that, so no offense on my end. :)

My wife and I run a photography outfit, and our bread and butter is weddings. Most wedding photographers will agree that the vast majority of the shots taken during the course of the day are irreplaceable memories. Contracts protect you financially. Dual card slots protect your reputation and, as mentioned above, our client's memories. I learned my lesson early on... The first unpaid wedding we shot as a favor to a family member, I had a card fail on my 6D. Luckily, I was able to recover the files. However, it's not something I am ever willing to risk again. Two cards writing raw files simultaneously are an absolutely mandatory requirement.

My wife has had a D750 since it was released, while I've been chugging along with my Canon gear hoping that they would release a FF with a tilt screen and two slots (I had the 70D for a spell and loved the flexibility that it allowed). The 6DII will be close, but no cigar. It disappoints me, as there's a lot that I do love about Canon.

As for Nikon and Canon compared, I am quite happy with the lenses available to both. Are there are better options on either side? Sure. As far as my new D750 is concerned, the VF AF works like a dream and really doesn't miss unless I do. The 3D tracking is far superior to Canon's sub par ITR that I've tried and really don't trust on my 7DII. To me having the tilting screen is a huge plus when shooting overhead shots during the reception, and when getting candid shots shooting from the hip. It's kinda hard to frame a shot when you can't see what you're shooting.

The great outdoors and wedding venues are our studio. So, in house studio work is of zero consequence to us. I could not care any less about tethering. I require equipment that gets the shot out in the field, that protects my client's memories (hence, dual slots), and has the features important to me.

Not to mention... It makes zero business sense to pay more than double to get a 5DIV that doesn't even have the features that make my life easier (flip screen, better sensor still for high contrast scenes, & spot metering linked to AF point), is also heavier (a big deal for all day affairs), and has a less comfortable grip (also a big deal for all day affairs). So, I was really really hoping the 6DII would check the boxes.
Me too, since 1978.

I have shot many weddings though they are not my bread and butter, I have run dual card slot cameras for 7 years and I have never used them for simultaneous RAW recording, indeed I rarely use the second slot even on my 1DX MkII's ( in those I use CFast exclusively). My only wedding disaster was with film where I miss-fed the leader and I lost a roll of film during the ceremony, know what my 'backup' was? My second body with B&W film in it. My reputation was as well protected as it is now with two cameras and a backup in the roller case if needed.

I suppose my point is, anybody relying on a single point of failure, a single body, is not well prepared enough that two slots will make a darn bit of difference 99.999999% of the time, and your story of the recovered files is a very common one, it seems the recovery rate for 'lost' images is pretty high.

Now I can understand the floppy screen, I can understand not wanting to pay a Canon premium you perceive them to have, but for wedding shooters to dump a system that has a 50 f1.2 and an 85 f1.2 for a bargain camera with two card slots makes absolutely zero sense to me.
 

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scrup said:
Famateur said:
A few years ago, if you wanted a Canon full-frame camera, you could choose between the 5D series and the 1D series. If you wanted a Nikon full-frame, you could choose between the D800/810 and the D4. Canon saw an opportunity for an entry-level full-frame camera and introduced the 6D. It was widely panned by forum-dwellers and YouTubers for it's weak spec sheet, but it was ultimately a very successful product for Canon.

Nikon introduced the D600 as its response and direct competitor to the 6D.
LOL - Nikon went back into the future to build a camera to compete with the 6D

http://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D600-vs-Canon-EOS-6D
I stand corrected -- the D600 official announcement did come first by four days, though camerdecision seems to have dates at odds with Wikipedia:

> Canon 6D (Announced September 17, 2012): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS_6D
> Nikon D600 (Announced September 13, 2012): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon_D600

Official announcements so close together would seem to suggest that both companies saw an opportunity in the entry-level full-frame market and acted about the same time.

Perhaps it was "rumored" on this site first, and that's why in my memory it came first? Either way, my mistake.

All my other points still stand. :p

PS: Given the mechanical issues with the D600, perhaps it was rushed through to be launched first? Makes me wonder if the Canon was in development earlier, with more time to get it right the first time. ;)
 

intrigue.photography

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Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]

bdunbar79 said:
intrigue.photography said:
bdunbar79 said:
intrigue.photography said:
neuroanatomist said:
intrigue.photography said:
For someone paying thousands to document their day, it's irresponsible to play with their memories and my reputation.
Then don't by a 6DII. Easy.
Indeed it is easy. :) I'm already enjoying my new D750.
So you're pissed because one Canon camera doesn't offer what the D750 offers? You do realize that Canon has plenty of cameras that beat the crap out of the D750 right? It's one camera dude. Grow up and be a professional.
Truly... Canon doesn't offer ONE camera that has everything that is useful to me. If I want a flip screen, I have to give up a card slot (not happening). If I want two card slots, I have to use my APSC 7DII or buy a 5DIV and still not have the flip screen that is so often very useful in my work. If I want spot metering linked to the AF point (pretty damn useful out in the world), I have to spend $6k (and still give up the flip screen and carry around a brick). If I want a sensor that rivals the best at base ISO? Canon doesn't even have one of those. How about viewfinder AF tracking? Canon's antiquated ITR doesn't even come close to Nikon's 3D.

Being disappointed does not equate to being pissed. Being rude when you haven't bothered to read the entire story? Well, that's your territory apparently.

Being a professional is about making money no? Why on earth would I spend more than 2x MORE to get something that doesn't have everything I want, in the 5DIV? That makes ZERO business sense.

The only thing Canon bodies have going for them over Nikon in my experience is really DPAF. It is lovely. I would love to have it and it's the reason I waited as long as I could to find out whether or not the 6DII would have 2 memory slots. It doesn't seem that it will, so Canon lost a customer. That's business.

Is there such a thing as a perfect rig? Surely not. But dollar for dollar, I couldn't find a better value out there than what I have.
Let me put it this way then: Who cares?
Obviously you do.