Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]
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Right because you totally can't adjust the shutter speed on a $50K weapon. :
I get that some folks here are talking these things to absurd ends, but the original video just linked was about having a single piece of gear that can pull double duty and the advantages of using a video rig for stills (e.g. a 30 second prerecord). There's a big leap between that and "nobody will need to be focused on stills anymore because we'll pull frame grabs from Hollywood motion pictures"
I've been shooting football games for a friend and I'd be pretty happy with 36mp 60fps camera that's got an included 30 second time machine.
unfocused said:Khalai said:ahsanford said:
Well, good luck pulling photos of blurred water, stopped motion or panning shots from videoreel, usually twice the shutter speed that the videoframerate
You took the words right out of my mouth. Smooth video relies on motion blur between the frames.
Right because you totally can't adjust the shutter speed on a $50K weapon. :
I get that some folks here are talking these things to absurd ends, but the original video just linked was about having a single piece of gear that can pull double duty and the advantages of using a video rig for stills (e.g. a 30 second prerecord). There's a big leap between that and "nobody will need to be focused on stills anymore because we'll pull frame grabs from Hollywood motion pictures"
I've been shooting football games for a friend and I'd be pretty happy with 36mp 60fps camera that's got an included 30 second time machine.
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sure. i'd love to see you edit, select the frame, mark your keepers in between stoppages of play through 1800 frames.
davidhfe said:unfocused said:Khalai said:ahsanford said:
Well, good luck pulling photos of blurred water, stopped motion or panning shots from videoreel, usually twice the shutter speed that the videoframerate
You took the words right out of my mouth. Smooth video relies on motion blur between the frames.
Right because you totally can't adjust the shutter speed on a $50K weapon. :
I get that some folks here are talking these things to absurd ends, but the original video just linked was about having a single piece of gear that can pull double duty and the advantages of using a video rig for stills (e.g. a 30 second prerecord). There's a big leap between that and "nobody will need to be focused on stills anymore because we'll pull frame grabs from Hollywood motion pictures"
I've been shooting football games for a friend and I'd be pretty happy with 36mp 60fps camera that's got an included 30 second time machine.
sure. i'd love to see you edit, select the frame, mark your keepers in between stoppages of play through 1800 frames.
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Sure you can. But if you break 180° shutter rule, you'll inevitably introducing some stutter or jerkiness in the video footage. So you can record e.g. 8K video with 60 FPS, but if you use 1/1000s shutter speed, then smoothness of the footage goes right out the window, which can be either intentional or distracting. But you have to inevitably take this into consideration when already shooting the footage. You just can't simply have it as an afterthought.
davidhfe said:Right because you totally can't adjust the shutter speed on a $50K weapon. :
I get that some folks here are talking these things to absurd ends, but the original video just linked was about having a single piece of gear that can pull double duty and the advantages of using a video rig for stills (e.g. a 30 second prerecord). There's a big leap between that and "nobody will need to be focused on stills anymore because we'll pull frame grabs from Hollywood motion pictures"
I've been shooting football games for a friend and I'd be pretty happy with 36mp 60fps camera that's got an included 30 second time machine.
Sure you can. But if you break 180° shutter rule, you'll inevitably introducing some stutter or jerkiness in the video footage. So you can record e.g. 8K video with 60 FPS, but if you use 1/1000s shutter speed, then smoothness of the footage goes right out the window, which can be either intentional or distracting. But you have to inevitably take this into consideration when already shooting the footage. You just can't simply have it as an afterthought.
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As a current Canon 6D owner, I've been following the spec rumours out of curiosity. If I were upgrading the features that interest me the most are (in order):
1. The tilty touchscreen. That'd just be really useful for some of the photos I take.
2. The significantly better autofocus system. Sometimes I struggle a little with the one in the 6D, but having said that, it works well enough for what I need it for the vast majority of the time.
3. The various connectivity features. Depending on how they're implemented. I'm glad my 6D has wifi but it can't half be a pain.
But yeah, like I say, I've only been curious as to the specs but I have no intention of upgrading. I love my 6D and when I bought it, it was always intended as a camera that should last me several years - a decade or more maybe. I'm a hobbyist photographer without a whole lot of money to flash about.
The spec seems on point to me. A full frame camera for enthusiast. Those wanting professional features, like dual card slots, can put their professional money into buying a professional camera.
As a current Canon 6D owner, I've been following the spec rumours out of curiosity. If I were upgrading the features that interest me the most are (in order):
1. The tilty touchscreen. That'd just be really useful for some of the photos I take.
2. The significantly better autofocus system. Sometimes I struggle a little with the one in the 6D, but having said that, it works well enough for what I need it for the vast majority of the time.
3. The various connectivity features. Depending on how they're implemented. I'm glad my 6D has wifi but it can't half be a pain.
But yeah, like I say, I've only been curious as to the specs but I have no intention of upgrading. I love my 6D and when I bought it, it was always intended as a camera that should last me several years - a decade or more maybe. I'm a hobbyist photographer without a whole lot of money to flash about.
The spec seems on point to me. A full frame camera for enthusiast. Those wanting professional features, like dual card slots, can put their professional money into buying a professional camera.
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Again, my take on the video that started this is that it's having a single device that can quickly transition between the two roles, not necessarily a single device that simultaneously operates in those roles.
Operator intent has and will continue to be the paramount thing.
Khalai said:davidhfe said:Right because you totally can't adjust the shutter speed on a $50K weapon. :
I get that some folks here are talking these things to absurd ends, but the original video just linked was about having a single piece of gear that can pull double duty and the advantages of using a video rig for stills (e.g. a 30 second prerecord). There's a big leap between that and "nobody will need to be focused on stills anymore because we'll pull frame grabs from Hollywood motion pictures"
I've been shooting football games for a friend and I'd be pretty happy with 36mp 60fps camera that's got an included 30 second time machine.
Sure you can. But if you break 180° shutter rule, you'll inevitably introducing some stutter or jerkiness in the video footage. So you can record e.g. 8K video with 60 FPS, but if you use 1/1000s shutter speed, then smoothness of the footage goes right out the window, which can be either intentional or distracting. But you have to inevitably take this into consideration when already shooting the footage. You just can't simply have it as an afterthought.
Again, my take on the video that started this is that it's having a single device that can quickly transition between the two roles, not necessarily a single device that simultaneously operates in those roles.
Operator intent has and will continue to be the paramount thing.
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The storage and software required to do this are not there yet. We're also taking about a $50,000 camera that makes a 1DX look like a powershot. It'll be years before 8K makes it into a reasonable form factor, and it's reasonable to expect software to evolve as well. I can quite easily imagine scrubbing through a clip to flag a frame, then advancing to the next clip.
And even if we're talking about 2-30fps with a 3 sec. prerecord that'd be pretty sweet. Though to be clear I am pretty happy with a 5D4+100-400 as well.
rrcphoto said:davidhfe said:unfocused said:Khalai said:ahsanford said:
Well, good luck pulling photos of blurred water, stopped motion or panning shots from videoreel, usually twice the shutter speed that the videoframerate
You took the words right out of my mouth. Smooth video relies on motion blur between the frames.
Right because you totally can't adjust the shutter speed on a $50K weapon. :
I get that some folks here are talking these things to absurd ends, but the original video just linked was about having a single piece of gear that can pull double duty and the advantages of using a video rig for stills (e.g. a 30 second prerecord). There's a big leap between that and "nobody will need to be focused on stills anymore because we'll pull frame grabs from Hollywood motion pictures"
I've been shooting football games for a friend and I'd be pretty happy with 36mp 60fps camera that's got an included 30 second time machine.
sure. i'd love to see you edit, select the frame, mark your keepers in between stoppages of play through 1800 frames.
The storage and software required to do this are not there yet. We're also taking about a $50,000 camera that makes a 1DX look like a powershot. It'll be years before 8K makes it into a reasonable form factor, and it's reasonable to expect software to evolve as well. I can quite easily imagine scrubbing through a clip to flag a frame, then advancing to the next clip.
And even if we're talking about 2-30fps with a 3 sec. prerecord that'd be pretty sweet. Though to be clear I am pretty happy with a 5D4+100-400 as well.
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Re: Pricing & More Information About the EOS 6D Mark II [CR3]
THERE IS ONLY ONE CARD SLOT. DEAL WITH IT!
THERE IS NO 4K. DEAL WITH IT!
All the noise in the world is not going to change it! This is flogging a dead horse! Nobody wants to see another 400 posts on the subject! Nobody is going to change anybody else's opinion.... LET IT DROP!
Can we please discuss something else?
THERE IS ONLY ONE CARD SLOT. DEAL WITH IT!
THERE IS NO 4K. DEAL WITH IT!
All the noise in the world is not going to change it! This is flogging a dead horse! Nobody wants to see another 400 posts on the subject! Nobody is going to change anybody else's opinion.... LET IT DROP!
Can we please discuss something else?
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DPAF.
So DPAF only works in live view right? so if you are using video, or live view photo composition you get the advantages of live view.
So in normal photo mode, where you are using the viewfinder, you will be relying on the 45 AF points. So, does this mean that in live view you use a combination of contrast detection and phase difference, but in normal viewfinder mode you only get the traditional contrast detection?
Anyone have a body with DPAF, I watched a video on the M5 about it, it looks very nice, if your using the viewfinder. (well on M6 you have EVF as well, so I guess it must work through that too.
Alan.
DPAF.
So DPAF only works in live view right? so if you are using video, or live view photo composition you get the advantages of live view.
So in normal photo mode, where you are using the viewfinder, you will be relying on the 45 AF points. So, does this mean that in live view you use a combination of contrast detection and phase difference, but in normal viewfinder mode you only get the traditional contrast detection?
Anyone have a body with DPAF, I watched a video on the M5 about it, it looks very nice, if your using the viewfinder. (well on M6 you have EVF as well, so I guess it must work through that too.
Alan.
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Nope. Unicorns. But just the ones with two horns. The ones with just one are a total ripoff. Same price as the other ones but already missing parts.
Sporgon said:
Nope. Unicorns. But just the ones with two horns. The ones with just one are a total ripoff. Same price as the other ones but already missing parts.
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If I understand correctly, the 45 point system that operates with the mirror is phase detect AF based on dedicated AF sensors. Canon's dual pixel technology also uses phase detect AF for Live View, reading directly from the sensor. Before dual pixel technology, contrast detect was used for Live View. Some later versions were hybrid, using contrast detect and phase detect.
wildwalker said:
If I understand correctly, the 45 point system that operates with the mirror is phase detect AF based on dedicated AF sensors. Canon's dual pixel technology also uses phase detect AF for Live View, reading directly from the sensor. Before dual pixel technology, contrast detect was used for Live View. Some later versions were hybrid, using contrast detect and phase detect.
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What about HDR Movie. What will it support? will it be HDR and WCG? will it support PQ10? HLG? or be propitiatory? or will we see proper implementation of SMPTE 2084 and REC2020?
Alan.
What about HDR Movie. What will it support? will it be HDR and WCG? will it support PQ10? HLG? or be propitiatory? or will we see proper implementation of SMPTE 2084 and REC2020?
Alan.
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