Should you be allowed to shoot down a drone?

[tron]

After reading this news report, and if you have a daughter who likes to sunbath in the garden, have your own drone with 4 (for stability) long legs sticking out with upturned blades on the ends. Simply fly it into the rotors of the offending drone, thus cutting the rotors on it, it will plummet into your property, et voila, 1 new drone/camera…….and evidence for a law suit.

 

[Tinky]

Another tragedy:

http://time.com/3986703/11-year-old-charged-3-year-old-shooting/

Now of course, everybody here acts responsibly, and this could never happen to them, but the sad bit is that these things do happen because not everybody is responsible. And thats why gun control is needed. Especially when (we assumed the irony, was it actually ever present) it is enquired about discharging a potentially lethal weapon becuase of an imagined threat from a toy.

I am heartened to read that two seperate forum users with extensive professional firearms training and vast experience recognise their danger and don't want them around their homes.

And in reply to the earlier sarcasm about gun clubs and my beloved uk... folk don't have guns in their glove boxes here. We have Policing by consent. And the figures bear out that if you have less civilians with guns you have less folk getting shot by people with guns. Who would've guessed it?

 

[Tabor Warren Photography]

Tinky, your world sounds fantastic. Where I live, practically everyone has a gun. In fact, I've used mine twice in the last two days to kill rattlesnakes on and near my driveway. I've grown up around guns, my kids grow up around guns, there is no "cool" factor with guns around here. It's unfortunate what happened in the story you mentioned, but the simple fact that it made the news tells me that it is not expected. Yes, it is unfortunate what does happen some times, but for the most part, for the majority, for the owners who are never in the news, we have to recognize that their are pros and cons to everything. I live in Oklahoma, right in the middle of the grade ol' USA, and in my state we have what is referred to as the "Make My Day" law. If someone breaks in to our home and we shoot them, our actions are 100% justified. You may disagree, but in the moment, I don't have time to assess if the person is a 13 year old kid who is meddling, or a convicted felon. I have a wife and kids to protect and have 0 shame in maintaining my right to do so. Plenty of lives are taken and saved by people wielding guns, but there is absolutely zero chance, the US will ever be an unarmed country. If you move here, I recommend buying a gun, if your gun shy, then I would stay where you are.

Oh, by the way, I live on about 400 acres and if a drone shows up at my front door, it dies. If the owner wants it back, they can find the pieces in a black trash bag by the curb.

Cheers from the land of the free!
-Tabor

 

[rpt]

There are good arguments on both sides.

It is well known that guns and bullets don't kill people. People kill people. Therefore don't get rid of the guns. Get rid of the people! Problem solved!

 

[Tinky]

George Takei shapred an i teresting take on it the other day...

 

[tpatana]

Tinky, would you admit that not one solution might work for everyone? Can't you imagine that there are places where it makes sense for any normal person to carry a gun?

Like I said earlier, it's much more important to ban stupid people. Since that's unfortunately difficult and long task (I wish Darwinism worked faster), next best step is to improve mental health care and a way to make sure that people with mental illnesses don't have access to guns.

 

[Tinky]

I can't imagine any scenario where civilians carrying guns makes that community or society a safer or better place.

All for improved mental health. But until everybody is stable and happy and not living in fear of other people with guns (read, the 'wrong people', not you tpatana Sir, the other people, the wrong people) lets not give everybody and anybody a gun.

 

[Tinky]

And where do you stand on the burning issue of shooting down multi-rotors Tpatana?
Enshrined right or bloody stupid?

 

[tpatana]

I can't imagine any scenario where civilians carrying guns makes that community or society a safer or better place.

Let's say you live in remote village, and wolves frequently try to attack your farm animals. Would that be good enough reason?

 

[tpatana]

And where do you stand on the burning issue of shooting down multi-rotors Tpatana?
Enshrined right or bloody stupid?

If there's neighbors closer than the maximum range of said gun, it's very stupid and irresponsible. He should be fined on many counts.

If there aren't anyone within the range, it's just normal stupid. Owner of the drone should sue him for property damage.

Regardless, assuming the story is correct, in both cases the shooter should sue the owner of the drone for invasion of privacy or something.

I would have used garden hose. If water don't bring it down or out, then use the hose itself to hit the drone. Sure it'd come down by then.

 

[fragilesi]

Tinky, your world sounds fantastic. Where I live, practically everyone has a gun. In fact, I've used mine twice in the last two days to kill rattlesnakes on and near my driveway. I've grown up around guns, my kids grow up around guns, there is no "cool" factor with guns around here. It's unfortunate what happened in the story you mentioned, but the simple fact that it made the news tells me that it is not expected. Yes, it is unfortunate what does happen some times, but for the most part, for the majority, for the owners who are never in the news, we have to recognize that their are pros and cons to everything. I live in Oklahoma, right in the middle of the grade ol' USA, and in my state we have what is referred to as the "Make My Day" law. If someone breaks in to our home and we shoot them, our actions are 100% justified. You may disagree, but in the moment, I don't have time to assess if the person is a 13 year old kid who is meddling, or a convicted felon. I have a wife and kids to protect and have 0 shame in maintaining my right to do so. Plenty of lives are taken and saved by people wielding guns, but there is absolutely zero chance, the US will ever be an unarmed country. If you move here, I recommend buying a gun, if your gun shy, then I would stay where you are.

Oh, by the way, I live on about 400 acres and if a drone shows up at my front door, it dies. If the owner wants it back, they can find the pieces in a black trash bag by the curb.

Cheers from the land of the free!
-Tabor

Land of the free? I'm guessing you're not in the local tourism industry because you make it sound like a nightmare.

You can say that a law "100% justifies" taking a life but of course it does not, could not and never will. The vast majority of break-ins do not result in anything more than theft. Ergo in the vast majority of cases you would be taking a life against all probability that it could ever be justified.

Having untrained people with guns is simply a bad idea. Talk to any professional about it and they will tell you why.

 

[jthomson]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/alberta/calgary-man-accidentally-shoots-gun-inside-home-bullet-hits-neighbour/article25895478/

Not an accident, negligence. Don't know why charges haven't been laid. The Crown is responsible for laying charges it doesn't matter what the victim thinks.

 

[jthomson]

I live in Oklahoma, right in the middle of the grade ol' USA, and in my state we have what is referred to as the "Make My Day" law.
Cheers from the land of the free!
-Tabor

Why would shooting at someone Make Your Day? Been watching too many Dirty Harry movies?

 

[Old Sarge]

I live in Oklahoma, right in the middle of the grade ol' USA, and in my state we have what is referred to as the "Make My Day" law.
Cheers from the land of the free!
-Tabor

Why would shooting at someone Make Your Day? Been watching too many Dirty Harry movies?

I was puzzled by that one. Actually those type of laws are commonly referred to as "castle doctrine" or "stand your ground" laws. Some do use the "make my day" terminology but I think the other two are better descriptions of the law. Texas, where I live, has laws very similar to Oklahoma, where Tabor lives.

As one who has used a firearm in a legal situation I can testify it won't make your day.

 

[AlanF]

Just googled "three year old shoots" and got scores of hits. Here are the top 4.

http://fox59.com/2015/08/06/police-3-year-old-boy-shot-to-death-by-11-year-old-boy-in-detroit/

http://www.alaskapublic.org/2015/08/07/3-year-old-child-shoots-kills-himself-in-anchorage-home/

http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/neighborhood/2015/07/05/child-shot-in-nw-harris-county/29742527/

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/4-Year-Old-Shot-in-the-Head-Miami-PD-320592982.html

etc etc

No doubt a price worth paying for living in the land of the free.

 

[tpatana]

Just googled "three year old shoots" and got scores of hits. Here are the top 4.

http://fox59.com/2015/08/06/police-3-year-old-boy-shot-to-death-by-11-year-old-boy-in-detroit/

http://www.alaskapublic.org/2015/08/07/3-year-old-child-shoots-kills-himself-in-anchorage-home/

http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/neighborhood/2015/07/05/child-shot-in-nw-harris-county/29742527/

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/4-Year-Old-Shot-in-the-Head-Miami-PD-320592982.html

etc etc

No doubt a price worth paying for living in the land of the free.

There are days when I wish you needed license to breed. Just having that would cut out most of these.

 

[Tabor Warren Photography]

I live in Oklahoma, right in the middle of the grade ol' USA, and in my state we have what is referred to as the "Make My Day" law.
Cheers from the land of the free!
-Tabor

Why would shooting at someone Make Your Day? Been watching too many Dirty Harry movies?

I was puzzled by that one. Actually those type of laws are commonly referred to as "castle doctrine" or "stand your ground" laws. Some do use the "make my day" terminology but I think the other two are better descriptions of the law. Texas, where I live, has laws very similar to Oklahoma, where Tabor lives.

As one who has used a firearm in a legal situation I can testify it won't make your day.

I am certainly not arguing the case that it would make anyones day. Having to use lethal force always does and will have consequences, both on the person who died, as well as anyone else involved in the situation.

Texas is very similar in gun ownership laws as Oklahoma. Many of us here, myself included, are licensed to carry in most environments. Almost daily, I have to escort trespassers off of my property, most are fine, but some are belligerent. In all cases, I am thankful that I do not have to simply rely on gravel to defend myself if, (in the unlikely circumstance), they pull a gun. Just like the mark of a great hunter is the shot they don't take, the mark of a responsible gun owner is in the times they restrain when necessary.

If anyone is curious about how well gun control works in the US, look at Chicago, Illinois vs Houston, TX. Similar in many regards, but one has a fairytale mindset when it comes to gun control.

My use of firearms is mainly against rattlesnakes and skunks, though mildly protective against mountain lions and idiots.

If the US suddenly rid the nation of guns, (which we should know is not going to happen). My family and I are suddenly more at risk to the wildlife around us. I simply do not agree with that. Burglary is an afterthought in my opinion. Bad snakes die of lead poisoning.

tpataza, I also wish we also were required a license to breed.

AlanF, ever Googled, "saved by concealed carry", of course not, it doesn't pad your mentality.

We all need to realize that both good and bad come from the Pandora's Box of guns. I carry responsibly, many do not, but it is silly to try and blanket guns as being good or bad. Maybe they are good for me and a many others, and bad for the remaining members of society. Regardless, a responsible citizen being armed is not a bad option in any circumstance.

fragilesi, no, I have nothing to do with tourism and probably shouldn't as you've noticed. If you are at all curious about what I am referring to here in Oklahoma, you can look at The excerpt from Title 21; (I started to bold the important matters, but it's all important). You are correct in that there are some exceptions, such as if the person owns the home they are entering or is picking up their kids, etc, but as stated before, I was referring to if someone breaks into our home, so, here you go.

Title 21. Crimes and Punishments

Oklahoma Statutes Citationized
Title 21. Crimes and Punishments
Chapter 53 - Manufacture, Sale, and Wearing of Weapons
Oklahoma Firearms Act of 1971
Section 1289.25 - Physical or Deadly Force Against Intruder
Cite as: O.S. §, __ __


A. The Legislature hereby recognizes that the citizens of the State of Oklahoma have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes.

B. A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:

1. The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against the will of that person from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and

2. The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

I hope this helps wrap up where I am coming from. Tulsa is an amazing place, the countryside is beautiful, and there are fewer bad snakes every year.

Cheers!
-Tabor

 

[Canon Rumors Guy]

This thread has run its course I'd say.

Don't fly your drone close over someone's house.