Some EOS M System Information [CR2]

[Canon Rumors Guy]

<p>With the EOS M5 finally hitting store shelves this month, lenses will likely be the next major addition to the system. While rumors about the EOS M have been pretty quiet, we have heard a few things recently.</p>
<ul>
<li>The EF-M 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 IS STM will be discontinued in the not so distant future.</li>
<li>The EF-M 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM has been extremely popular in Asia, which is the #2 market for mirrorless systems.</li>
<li>The first “higher end” zoom for the EOS M system will be something like a 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM, and that there are no constant aperture zooms coming in the near future.</li>
<li>We will see at least one prime lens in 2017, but that there are 3 currently being tested.</li>
</ul>
<p>As always, as soon as we hear more, we’ll pass it on.</p>
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[pokerz]

15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 high end zoom, good job Canon!

 

[arcer]

Finally some news on the next M lens.

Even though I only played with the M5 with 18-150 from a friend for half an hour, I quite liked the photos from the new lens. Haven't had the chance of checking the RAWs on a PC though. However, the 18-150 is a 99% identical twin with the 55-200, the lens body is a bit too long for my taste.

With a rumored 15-85 on the horizon, I might just hold on for now and only buy a M5 with the 22mm for casual shoots. Also nice to see some primes are being tested. Any prime smaller or same size with the 50mm is good enough for the M system in my opinion.

 

[Bob Howland]

15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 high end zoom, good job Canon!

+1

 

[Act444]

Wow on the 18-55 if that one turns out to be true. That said, I let mine go in favor of the 15-45 since I didn't find 18 to be wide enough on my old M. The main negative is it's only 6.3 at 45mm, somewhat noticeable difference between that and 55mm 5.6 (not extreme though).

I think the lens I want most for the M system is a compact 35 or 50mm 2.8 IS lens (faster would be preferred if the size works out).

 

[neuroanatomist]

I'm on board for a 15-85mm EF-M lens.

Agree that 18mm isn't really wide enough, the M11-22 is my most used M lens, and as I bring additional lenses the order is generally M55-200 > M22/2 > M18-55 > M28 macro.

If the IQ of the M18-150 is equivalent to the M55-200, I'll consider that to replace the 18-55 and 55-200.

 

[jolyonralph]

With the 15-45, the 15-85 (or whatever that turns out to be) and the 18-150 there is very little point in keeping the 18-55 in production, especially as I doubt it's cheaper to make than the 15-45.

 

[jolyonralph]

Note that dropping the 18-55 for a 15-45 pancake is pretty much exactly what Sony did.

 

[AvTvM]

interesting. To me a lot depends on how compact Canon can make an EF-M 15-85/3.5-5.6 IS STM. The EF-S equivalent is a fairly large already compared to current EF-M standards. Maybe a foldable design? f/6.3 on the long end does not seem likely or attractive for a "higher level" EF-M lens. Would have preferred a constant f/4 lezoom though ... e.g. 16-55/4.0. But for the time being I am happy with 18-55. If I need wider, then typically not only 15mm, but a good deal wider = 11 (-22).

The 3 rumored primes? If Canon is not stupid, then 35/2.0, 50/1.8 and most importantly an ultracompact EF-M 85/2.4 IS STM ... for me and millions of other buyers. Just do it, Canon! ;D 8)

 

[jolyonralph]

i doubt you'll see an 85mm prime aimed at a crop sensor camera, at least not until more important ranges are covered.

I would be very surprised if the three being tested aren't somewhat close to:

a) 16mm
b) 35mm
c) 50mm

Maybe we'll see a compromise between b and c and see a 40mm f/2.8 pancake for EF-M. Personally I'd prefer 35mm and 50mm

 

[rrcphoto]

I'm on board for a 15-85mm EF-M lens.

Agree that 18mm isn't really wide enough, the M11-22 is my most used M lens, and as I bring additional lenses the order is generally M55-200 > M22/2 > M18-55 > M28 macro.

If the IQ of the M18-150 is equivalent to the M55-200, I'll consider that to replace the 18-55 and 55-200.

same!

 

[rrcphoto]

i doubt you'll see an 85mm prime aimed at a crop sensor camera, at least not until more important ranges are covered.

I would be very surprised if the three being tested aren't somewhat close to:

a) 16mm
b) 35mm
c) 50mm

Maybe we'll see a compromise between b and c and see a 40mm f/2.8 pancake for EF-M. Personally I'd prefer 35mm and 50mm

35 and 50 are probably no brainers. 16? doubtful. yoyu also can't get a 40mm pancake on a 18mm registration distance.

24,35,50 IS primes would be my bet .. or canon will roll with it's usual trificia:

24,28,25 IS

 

[ahsanford]

With the EOS M5 finally hitting store shelves this month, lenses will likely be the next major addition to the system. While rumors about the EOS M have been pretty quiet, we have heard a few things recently.</p>
<ul>
<li>The EF-M 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 IS STM will be discontinued in the not so distant future.</li>
<li>The EF-M 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM has been extremely popular in Asia, which is the #2 market for mirrorless systems.</li>
<li>The first “higher end” zoom for the EOS M system will be something like a 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM, and that there are no constant aperture zooms coming in the near future.</li>
<li>We will see at least one prime lens in 2017, but that there are 3 currently being tested.</li>
</ul>
<p>As always, as soon as we hear more, we’ll pass it on.</p>
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Because nothing says 'higher end zoom' than a 5.6x FL multiplier, variable max aperture and STM.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

It would appear that Canon will not make the same 'mistake' of offering a 17-55 f/2.8 lens or 'pulling a Sigma' and offering f/1.4 HSM primes expressly for APS-C. When you know FF mirrorless is coming, I guess APS-C mirrorless must remain small and light (as that brand's identity).

I'm not playing the grass-is-greener card here, but folks might consider what ecosystem could be built if there is no expectation of FF mirrorless ever arriving: a nice collection of f/1.4 and f/2 primes, and a few f/2.8 zooms.

I'm not arguing that Canon should abandon the 'small and light' crusade with EOS-M, but for goodness sake, throw us a (native EF-M) bone here! An EF-M 32mm f/1.4 USM and a (sharp) EF-M 15-45 f/2.8 USM would do this system wonders.

- A

 

[jolyonralph]

Because nothing says 'higher end zoom' than a 5.6x FL multiplier, variable max aperture and STM.

Ah yes, clearly Canon are stupid for not releasing exactly the lens that you want rather than what they feel will sell better

I'm willing to bet good money on the EF-S 15-85 selling much more than the EF-S 17-55

 

[Jopa]

Count me in if the 18-85 didn't go past f/4 @ 55.

 

[ahsanford]

Because nothing says 'higher end zoom' than a 5.6x FL multiplier, variable max aperture and STM.

Ah yes, clearly Canon are stupid for not releasing exactly the lens that you want rather than what they feel will sell better

I'm willing to bet good money on the EF-S 15-85 selling much more than the EF-S 17-55

Oh, stop it, I'm not AvTvM. ;D

Of course the cheaper/slower lenses outsell the 17-55 f/2.8, I understand that. So would a $399 EF 24-120 f/5.6 lens versus the rest of the EF zooms, yet that one never seems to get offered.

I'm just saying that Canon deliberately withholds higher end product from the EF-S / EF-M portfolio. And yes, you can slap EF glass on a Rebel SLR, EOS-M, I get it. But in EOS-M, I think form factor uniquely matters and folks would appreciate something deliberately made small (but of high quality) for EF-M.

Also, Canon is asking $1,100 for an M5 body. Is it reasonable to opt into a > $1k mirrorless platform that does not offer a single Canon lens over $499 unless you want to adapt something much larger and heavier? Again, I'm not arguing for a full Fuji X series of fast glass -- just a couple tailor-made EF-M nicer lenses to inject life into the platform.

- A

 

[jolyonralph]

I think the lack of a serious range of EF-M prime lenses does tend to point towards the probability of a FF EF-M range of lenses in the future.

Of course, there's no reason that new EF-M prime lenses (eg 50mm f/1.8) couldn't be full-frame capable for when they do eventually launch a FF mirrorless.

 

[Rocky]

I wish Canon will make an IS version of the 22/2.0 EF-M. even It may be 1/2 inch longer. It is still worth it.

 

[pokerz]

More and more lens for mirrorless
Time to kill DSLR, Canon!