The Canon EOS R6 is still scheduled to be announced in May [CR2]

Michael Clark

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The article makes quite clear it's not the same sensor.
The article makes clear it is not the *new* sensor used in the 1D X Mark III released barely two months ago. It says nothing about the possibility that it is another, older 20 MP sensor used by Canon in the past.
 
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Michael Clark

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If it has the same measured resolution, why couldn’t you crop the same amount?
Yes, in terms of actual lines per image height instead of in terms of how many pixels the same amount of blur is spread across.
 

Michael Clark

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So why Canon provides 12/20 fps when there is going to be so much latency as you believe. It won't be a 1dx mark iii performance wise. Rumours are rumours and we just speculating right now... but the latency has to be improved on milc cameras with newer bodies and fw updates as it has already (at some level ofc) on eos R. Also don't forget that Canon is a company that has used many times the same sensors on their bodies. As for 6 series you mention surprised, a year ago you wouldn't believe what Canon did with 1Dx Mark III, R5, cinema series etc...
There's a big difference between latency and readout speed.

One is about how long it takes the exposure to begin after the button is pressed.

The other has to do with how long it takes to read the sensor when there are no mechanical shutter curtains preventing light from striking the sensor during readout.

With mechanical shutters, it takes about 2.5-3 milliseconds for the shutter curtains to transit the sensor of top tier cameras like the 1D X series or 5D series. With lower tier cameras, it's closer to 3-4.5 milliseconds. The sensor has plenty of time to be read out between frames with a DSLR or even with a mirrorless when using the mechanical shutter by limiting the frame rate (which increases the amount of "dead time" between exposures). Even 16 fps allows 50-60 milliseconds for readout between exposures that only take 2.5-4.5 milliseconds every 62.5 milliseconds.

2.5-4.5 milliseconds for mechanical shutters to transit the sensor is still a lot faster than even 10 milliseconds or so that the fastest sensors can read out in electronic shutter mode.
 
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This could be a great camera if it doesn't follow the path of the 6D MarkII. Canon terminally crippled that camera with an APSC auto focus system, shoddy sensor with poor dynamic range, and then a camera with wonderful ergonomics and battery life. It was a Frankenstein creation of nightmares
So say all of the Sony fanboys that have never, ever, not even once taken a photo as good as many hundreds of thousands that have been taken by actual photographers using the 6D Mark II.
 

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The IBIS in this camera will do a handful for extra power draw, so they could certainly make it with an LP-E17 class battery to achieve the worst battery life ever, and heavily limit record times as well, so like with an older Fuji, pretty much everyone has to buy the 200$ vertical battery grip and 50$ battery (plus a few extras) just to make it usable. Pity the camera's hardware development is already finished, so if they read this, they will realise the extra profit opportunity they've missed.
Or they could compromise on size/weight and use the newer, more powerful version of the LP-E6 that the R is getting which is also described by early rumors as "not the same battery as the 5D Mark IV."

We'll find out when they make the official announcement.
 

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Hopefully the battery is a good size because this is a wedding photographers dream camera for reception,candies,etc. 20 megapixels is in that just right file size range, and would produce better high ISO then a bigger megapixel camera. I much prefer my 6D to my 5DIV when shooting reception pictures, because of the high ISO capabilities are a little better on the 6D,( don’t kill me this is my opinion) And the Centerpoint is absolutely golden in low light focusing even though it doesn’t have the sophisticated focusing system of the 5DIV the Centerpoint is absolutely golden in low light focusing and is still very useful.

So which is it?

"a wedding photographers dream camera for reception,candies,etc... (with a) Centerpoint (that) is absolutely golden in low light focusing even though it doesn’t have the sophisticated focusing system of the 5DIV the Centerpoint is absolutely golden in low light focusing and is still very useful."

OR

A "... terminally crippled (-) camera with an APSC auto focus system, (and) shoddy sensor with poor dynamic range?"
 

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So say all of the Sony fanboys that have never, ever, not even once taken a photo as good as many hundreds of thousands that have been taken by actual photographers using the 6D Mark II.
I also wonder how many who criticize a camera, no matter which brand, have actually used or even held it...
Mea culpa too !
 
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Or they could compromise on size/weight and use the newer, more powerful version of the LP-E6 that the R is getting which is also described by early rumors as "not the same battery as the 5D Mark IV."

We'll find out when they make the official announcement.
That post was meant to be a joke. However, they are always quite serious about market segmentation, the LP-E6NH battery might be 'reserved' for the higher-class cameras.


And this earlier reliable rumor (With a non-public video) also said grip like the RP, so they are definitely keeping it smaller, lighter and simpler.
So I wouldn't be surprised at all if they actually did something like that, since dual card slots won't leave that much room for a bigger battery, maybe the new version is regarding continous power via USB-C and charging at the same time, which previous cameras were unable to do.

Since I do think it is placed well below the R5, I think they are more likely to be sticking to their old guns regarding the dynamic range, and Canon Log or ALL-I codec would be very surprising for me to see as well, and for these features one would have to go for the R5 or the R instead. But we'll see.
 

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The article makes clear it is not the *new* sensor used in the 1D X Mark III released barely two months ago. It says nothing about the possibility that it is another, older 20 MP sensor used by Canon in the past.
Maybe its next generation R1 sensor.
I think if they really want to make this mirrorless work,they need use newest parts available.
They need get shooting viewvinder lag away with fast read sensor and best processor or two.
I hope viewfinder is new .Good thing it got less resolution than r5 one ,without R5 computers it would lag.
And they need best parts to minimize power consumption too.
 
What advantage does 26 MP give you when cropping if there is no more actual detail in the image than the amount of detail a different 20 MP sensor can give you?
You seem to be too much obsesed by the detail. Owning Tamron 17-50/2.8 for APS-C and 24-70/2.8 II for FF, we have never spotted any need to consider the factor of the detail. But shooting crowds at weddings you might be in a need to crop someones hand/head/body entering your image. With weddings, maybe apart from promo or ceremony shoots, things are happening fast, so sometimes you have little time for the proper composition. Stating that, I hate so called spraying and taking 10K+ images home.

For us, any chance to go down to something like 20 or even a tad lower would be very specialised, low light camera, giving 2+ stops of low light performance. But not sure it is easily achievable with the recent tech. Eagerly awaiting performance of the R5 in that regards too, compared to our 5DIV.
 

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Maybe its next generation R1 sensor.
I think if they really want to make this mirrorless work,they need use newest parts available.
They need get shooting viewvinder lag away with fast read sensor and best processor or two.
I hope viewfinder is new .Good thing it got less resolution than r5 one ,without R5 computers it would lag.
And they need best parts to minimize power consumption too.
They don't have to, they only have to step up from the RP, which is the base of this camera. And it will certainly blow it away with the IBIS, dual card slots, quicker frame rates, improved AF and much better video specs.

But because they've added so much to the R5, once again, people are having false hopes about the R6.
 
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What if it keeps the RP-style body but gets the 6D/6DII D-pad + wheel combo while keeping the two wheels at the top (one next to the shutter button and the other next to the mode dial)? i mean, still no joystick (save that for the higher models), but with the d-pad inside the scroll wheel which now can be customized. kinda like how the R5 got some of its control layout from the 5D series. i'm still not convinced this will get two UHS-II slots though. i know it's 2020, but this is Canon we're talking about (USB2.0 speeds on a USB-C port).
 

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You seem to be too much obsesed by the detail.
If you can get basically the same image when you shoot with a 26 MP sensor and a strong low pass filter as a 20 MP sensor and a more sophisticated low pass filter, the R6 is not a downgrade from the RP in terms of cropping capability.

The 1DX III low pass filter apparently is a great improvement over the notoriously strong ones Canon used in the past. Is the filter in the RP so strong that it degrades the image to the point where a 20 MP R6 with the new filter will match the amount of detail it captures? Probably not, but we'll have to wait and see the difference once proper comparisons can be made.
 
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If you can get basically the same image when you shoot with a 26 MP sensor and a strong low pass filter as a 20 MP sensor and a more sophisticated low pass filter, the R6 is not a downgrade from the RP in terms of cropping capability.

The 1DX III low pass filter apparently is a great improvement over the notoriously strong ones Canon used in the past. Is the filter in the RP so strong that it degrades the image to the point where a 20 MP R6 with the new filter will match the amount of detail it captures? Probably not, but we'll have to wait and see the difference once proper comparisons can be made.
1DX III sensor comparisons are out there, it is not quite as detailed as the RP at low ISO (and the R is better still), but it retains detail and colour much better at high ISO.
 

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So which is it?

"a wedding photographers dream camera for reception,candies,etc... (with a) Centerpoint (that) is absolutely golden in low light focusing even though it doesn’t have the sophisticated focusing system of the 5DIV the Centerpoint is absolutely golden in low light focusing and is still very useful."

OR

A "... terminally crippled (-) camera with an APSC auto focus system, (and) shoddy sensor with poor dynamic range?"
Well, Sony fanboys and Canon bashers have loved to trash the 6DII since it was a rumor because spec warriors can sneer at the autofocus, the dynamic range and the single card slot. On the other hand, a lot of people who use it seem to be very happy with it. It has been a poster child for the Canon cripple hammer crew, along with the M50, and some them still seem to be trapped in their old cyberspace reality on the 6DII. They seem to have shut up about the M50 a while ago.
 
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If you can get basically the same image when you shoot with a 26 MP sensor and a strong low pass filter as a 20 MP sensor and a more sophisticated low pass filter, the R6 is not a downgrade from the RP in terms of cropping capability.

The 1DX III low pass filter apparently is a great improvement over the notoriously strong ones Canon used in the past. Is the filter in the RP so strong that it degrades the image to the point where a 20 MP R6 with the new filter will match the amount of detail it captures? Probably not, but we'll have to wait and see the difference once proper comparisons can be made.
Could you please take Mr. Clark and have some picnic somewhere? There is nothing more to suggest, if you are not able to freaking understand as simple thing as the ability to crop.
 
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So say all of the Sony fanboys that have never, ever, not even once taken a photo as good as many hundreds of thousands that have been taken by actual photographers using the 6D Mark II.
Nah, another blatant generalisation, so who's the fanboy then? I doubt you have talked to those mysterious hundreds of thousands of satisfied ppl - you have never met or talked to in person to even something like 0.001% of them. The eventual saless success might or might not be the only aspect of the judgement of the product quality itself.

6DII was simply a product development fiasco, no matter of its potential sales success. Canon's sensor decision for the 6DII was nothing more than a sad state of their sensor development capabilities at the certain time. You know that, I know that, we all know that. Within the certain conditions, you can take great pictures with a modern cell phone or really old photo gear. But that was absolutly not the point. After so many years of waiting (6 actually?), they have delivered camera with a sensor, which had worse low ISO DR than the APS-C 80D. Not to mention the missing ALL-I codec or headphone jack as another step back.

You can simply bet, that if Canon would have better sensor back then, 6DII would be basically equipped with the sensor generation planned for the 1DXIII, R5 or R6 - as the whole generation seems to share certain characteristics. It's no shame to admit, that Canon was simply behind its competition. Maybe even that simple fact has lead to the advancements we are going to get with the new generation of cameras.
 

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Could you please take Mr. Clark and have some picnic somewhere? There is nothing more to suggest, if you are not able to freaking understand as simple thing as the ability to crop.
Picnics aren't that great of an idea in these times :LOL: If talking theory annoys you, feel free to ignore it.

The point is simply that in practical terms, 20 MP looks pretty bad on paper compared to 26 MP. But with an improvement in the low pass filter, it is at least less bad than 20 MP with the same old strong AA filter would be.

There’s simply more to cropping than megapixels. I think we can agree on that. If your image is slightly out of focus, for example, you can't crop it as much as a tack sharp image, before the blur becomes noticeable. A better low pass filter also adds a bit of blur, and the newer one should add less, if you will.

That does not prevent going from 26 to 20 MP being an odd choice. But it is also something to keep in mind when comparing specs, if Canon indeed uses the new filter on the R6. Nothing more and nothing less, apologies if that point came across in a bad way.