The EOS M lineup will be addressed later in 2020 [CR1]

cerealito

EOS M50
Sep 8, 2014
39
3
And this comes just *hours* after the announcement of the Fujifilm X-T4... coincidence? or controlled leak?
 
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illadvisedhammer

buggin out
Aug 19, 2015
24
7
The adapted EF-S lenses are a poor (and heavy) substitute for a native lens. Canon really need to offer a higher quality standard zoom. At the moment the original EF-M 18-55 is the best that we have.
I mostly strongly agree, however, the 55-250 EF-S is great size and balance and high quality on the M6II, and the EF-S 60 macro is just fine as well, noticeably smaller even with MT24 or similar flash. The only problem then is the palm of your thumb mashing buttons, which is such a problem I'm going to get a cage/grip for macro. The 90D wouldn't have had that problem, but choices have to be made.....
 

melgross

EOS 7D MK II
Nov 2, 2016
516
336
Considering everything we continue to read about how well this series sells, I don’t have a single reason why Canon should abandon it. The people who insist they MUST have a single mirrorless mount are wrong. There are apparently a lot of people out there who like this smaller, lighter system. They don’t seem to care about faster, pro level lenses either. They also don’t seem interested in moving to full frame. If they did, they wouldn’t be buying into this, knowing there’s no direct upgrade path.

Canon knows what’s selling. If they are going to upgrade the line, they must feel as though there’s a good market for it. People need to stop whining about it.
 

koenkooi

EOS 6D MK II
Feb 25, 2015
879
661
It's also telling at we've been getting a new M camera at least once a year since the M launched, so Canon isn't 'neglecting' the system, quite the opposite.
 

Architect1776

Defining the poetics of space through Architecture
Aug 18, 2017
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As for price points, I am thinking if they take the features of the M6 II, add an EVF/IBIS, better build quality (i.e. the rumor) then you basically have the Fuji XT4 (sure, hairs can be split, but ballpark). The X-T3 is $1,800. I can see Canon moving the M5 II price put up pretty significantly from the $950 the M5 came in at. I am thinking $1,200-1,400. Which leaves room for the m50 and M6 II (no IBIS, no EVF, lessor build quality) below.
Unless I really want a smaller body at that price I will go R series.
I am disappointed at lack of compatibility between the r and M cameras.
Drop the M mount, change to R mount and keep the same small body form with APSC sensor. Make small APSC lenses for it but allow large FF RF lenses to also mount. The FF RF would use the APSC lenses cropped as they do now with EFs lenses.
Just do not want to mess with 2 systems any more.
 

kocmonabt

I'm New Here
Jul 1, 2019
14
7
43
Please Canon, don’t cripple the M line with side swivel displays.
Those were great at their time, but not once you had used a propper photographer’s camera.
Also displays are the reason I’m referring to the R line as “toy cameras”. Those are made for selfies, right? No way moving to R once discovered the superior ergonomy of an M.
 
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IcyBergs

I have a Sony...TV
May 31, 2016
115
231
The M50 is basically a Rebel equivalent while the M5 is a 90D/7D type of camera.
Different category and price points.
The M50 isn't to the M5 what a rebel was an XXD and even less so a 7D. Aside from ergonomics/build the M50 was arguably a better featured camera that had a specific market it was tailored to (video/vlogging). I don't think that argument could have ever been made for contemporary rebel and xxD models in the past. I can't recall a time when a rebel introduced an all new feature for DSLR line either, whereas 4k on the M50 was a first.

For someone who wants what the M50 brought to the table it seems that this rumored M5ii would check all those boxes where the original M5 didn't. I can see either no M50ii/M60 if this camera is real regardless of the fact that it sits at a lower price point, and those in that market are steered to the next Mxxx or the M50ii/M60 essentially becomes what was the Mxxx was.
 

IcyBergs

I have a Sony...TV
May 31, 2016
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Please Canon, don’t cripple the M line with side swivel displays.
Those were great at their time, but not once you had used a propper photographer’s camera.
Also displays are the reason I’m referring to the R line as “toy cameras”. Those are made for selfies, right? No way moving to R once discovered the superior ergonomy of an M.
Side swivel displays aren't going anywhere. One of the fastest growing uses for these cameras is vlogging, where having a swivel screen saves you $$$$ from having to purchase an external display and/or renders the camera practically useless to the vlogger if they record on the move.
 
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Dragon

EF 800L
May 29, 2019
181
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Considering everything we continue to read about how well this series sells, I don’t have a single reason why Canon should abandon it. The people who insist they MUST have a single mirrorless mount are wrong. There are apparently a lot of people out there who like this smaller, lighter system. They don’t seem to care about faster, pro level lenses either. They also don’t seem interested in moving to full frame. If they did, they wouldn’t be buying into this, knowing there’s no direct upgrade path.

Canon knows what’s selling. If they are going to upgrade the line, they must feel as though there’s a good market for it. People need to stop whining about it.
And then, there are those who actually understand optimization and simply by both. Horses for courses. If that mentioned M5 replacement comes down the pike I will preorder it. DItto for the 100-400 (120-360). I think the M5 II is waiting for the new processor so as to fit 90D style video processing (or maybe even better) into the small battery. Just a bit more girth to add a tilty-flippy would be completely acceptable.
 
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Dragon

EF 800L
May 29, 2019
181
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Please Canon, don’t cripple the M line with side swivel displays.
Those were great at their time, but not once you had used a propper photographer’s camera.
Also displays are the reason I’m referring to the R line as “toy cameras”. Those are made for selfies, right? No way moving to R once discovered the superior ergonomy of an M.
Sorry, but tilty-flippys are far more than "selfie displays". They are useable from the back, the top, the bottom, and the front and all angles in between, not to mention less fragile than the typical flip up/down display with its exposed flex cable.
 

IcyBergs

I have a Sony...TV
May 31, 2016
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Unless I really want a smaller body at that price I will go R series.
I am disappointed at lack of compatibility between the r and M cameras.
Drop the M mount, change to R mount and keep the same small body form with APSC sensor. Make small APSC lenses for it but allow large FF RF lenses to also mount. The FF RF would use the APSC lenses cropped as they do now with EFs lenses.
Just do not want to mess with 2 systems any more.
I really think this decision comes down to how many lenses would you really use with the M if you have an R as your main body. Personally, if I were going to be using a larger lens it would make no sense to put it on the M body.

I think a lot depends on what kind of smaller R lenses are going to be developed if there are a few nice pancake options than maybe there isn't a need for the M. But if that doesnt materialize or isn't small enough...I just wouldn't think I'd own more than 1 or 2 lenses for an M body, and if its worth it to save the space/weight on occasions that you need to then perhaps it isn't that bad.
 
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Danglin52

Wildlife Shooter
Aug 8, 2018
169
144
I would like to see an M-mount body with the sensor from the M6II, the DIGIC X processor, IBIS, a really good EVF, tilty-flippy screen, a single CFExpress card slot, and using the LP-E6N battery. Combine that with the upcoming EF-M 100-400 (which is really a 120-360), or use an adapter to use it with any EF-S or EF glass.
I think you are talking an R type camera with a APS-C sensor.
 
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Danglin52

Wildlife Shooter
Aug 8, 2018
169
144
I really like the m6 II, but I would immediately throw it under the bus for:
  • M5 II
  • At least the M6 II performance & spec
  • Weather Sealed / sturdier body
  • IBIS
  • Improved tracking
  • Improved battery life
  • EVF capable of following action
  • EF-M 100-300 would be a buy if no more than a f5.6 (doubt this because of the trend of f7.1 on the R)
Basically an X-T4 in an M body. I have don't mind adapting EF lenses for the time being, ALTHOUGH I will be moving to the R and would like to eventually replace my EF lenses. This would be an issue if I want some compatia
 

Dragon

EF 800L
May 29, 2019
181
150
I think you are talking an R type camera with a APS-C sensor.
Replace the CFE slot with UHS II and replace digicx with digic9 (the consumer flavor) and probably skip the weather seal and you have an M5 II. All the rest makes sense. Not much sense in adding weather seal to an M body when none of the lenses have it. The rest makes sense.
 

Danglin52

Wildlife Shooter
Aug 8, 2018
169
144
Replace the CFE slot with UHS II and replace digicx with digic9 (the consumer flavor) and probably skip the weather seal and you have an M5 II. All the rest makes sense. Not much sense in adding weather seal to an M body when none of the lenses have it. The rest makes sense.
Weather sealing the body would give you at least some protection of the body in light weather - whether fog, humidity, drizzle, etc. Since we can shoot EF L lenses, it would also make sense to deliver a sealed EF-M adaptor. Basically, we get a mini 7dIII that can be used in inclement weather. I want this as a backup in my bag for my 1dx II, etc. I have shot the m6 II on the back of my 200-400 f4 L IS w/1.4x. Looks weird, but good pictures. I also carry the m6 II a lot with my 70-200 f4 L IS II. Much better balance than you think on the m6 II and great images.
 

canonmike

EOS 80D
Jan 5, 2013
147
82
Love my M50 when hiking in the wilderness. Small form function is perfectly suited for this, so, a native EF-M 52mm F2 would be a great compliment to my EF-M 22mm F2. Look fwd to seeing this lens come to fruition. I really like my Sigma 18-35 F1.8 ART zoom but it's just such a big heavy lens, especially since you need the EF-M adapter to be able to use it on the M50, thus making the combo much bigger than I like for camping/hiking. So, the Sigma usually gets left behind. Just glad to see Canon will continue to support the M series bodies.
 

dwarven

EOS T7i
Dec 12, 2019
91
116
I wonder if Canon will keep the M series for APS-C mirrorless or eventually swap everything over to the RF system? I'm leaning towards the latter.