The next EOS R system camera gets a mention again [CR1]

slclick

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Umm... moving the focus point via the lcd screen is so much faster than a lever. Of course if you like a joystick it’s cool. It’s just a much slower method.
I know what you mean ,except for your "Umm" since it is a choice and/or preference. I truly enjoyed using the touchscreen on my M5, however on a larger body I would prefer a tactile control on the right side. Does everything need to be faster? No is the answer.
 
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I still think that dual card slots would be great, but maybe not having a CF card slot. I think we don't need that as the extra slot anymore...
Certainly I'll have no choice other than whatever slots Canon finally offers. But I tend to like the size of the CF cards better for handling, plus the contacts not being as exposed and fragile as the SD cards.

I saw a handy SD case review a guy posted on Youtube. He inserts his SD cards opposite the packaging picture so he's not pulling the card by the thin contact end. He removes from the thicker end. It was similar to a small hard Pelican case. use the small folding pocket pouch.
 

riker

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If a 1DX III is indeed due out soon then I think it makes sense to concentrate on the high resolution RF body first.

With a 70 megapixel camera they will have a market-leading high-resolution camera. If they went for a higher framerate EOS R body it would be directly compared with the Sony A9, and I'm not convinced that Canon have the ability to produce a body that competes aggressively with the A9 in both features and price (yet). I'd love to be wrong on this.
Totally agree on the first part, never said otherwise. On the other hand I'm absolutely sure Canon has no intention at all to compete with A9. Never ever have I seen Canon directly compete with Sony specs, thus the considerable amount of flame. High framerate R is only due when they change the 1 series to mirrorless. 2024 Olympics?
 

riker

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I see the defining difference of the 1D series to be their rugged build and and water-resistant seals. At least to me, it's what sets them above all other Canon models and is the prime reason Nikon and Sony aren't in consideration.
Other factors beside frame rate would be speed and reliability of autofocus performance as well as battery capacity.
The thing is 5d4's weather sealing and AF is pretty good too. You need really extreme conditions regarding those not to be sufficient. You will face the framerate limitation much earlier. Also not much difference in battery life when u have the grip on the 5d4 with 2 batteries.
 

digitalride

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For the people saying the only thing the 5D iv has over the R is the dual slots, what about action with tracking autofocus? Are there any good comparisons out there? I saw one unscientific comparison between the RP and 6D ii focusing and the 6D ii did much better just trying to capture people walking around.

You can always stick a $20 LCD viewfinder on the back of the 5d iv and use it in liveview :) , so what advantage does the R bring other than being able to use RF lenses? silent shooting, eye tracking, smaller size and weight, anything else important?
 
For the people saying the only thing the 5D iv has over the R is the dual slots, what about action with tracking autofocus? Are there any good comparisons out there? I saw one unscientific comparison between the RP and 6D ii focusing and the 6D ii did much better just trying to capture people walking around.

You can always stick a $20 LCD viewfinder on the back of the 5d iv and use it in liveview :) , so what advantage does the R bring other than being able to use RF lenses? silent shooting, eye tracking, smaller size and weight, anything else important?
Plus USB C charging in body and on the vertical grip. FV mode, metering on focus point in Evaluative metering mode, control ring adapter, filter adapters...
 

jhpeterson

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The thing is 5d4's weather sealing and AF is pretty good too. You need really extreme conditions regarding those not to be sufficient. You will face the framerate limitation much earlier. Also not much difference in battery life when u have the grip on the 5d4 with 2 batteries.
As a yachting photographer, I spend a lot of time on the water, most of it being salt. The idea of a grip means only more places where water comes in and are prone to corrosion. (As I recall from film days with the EOS 1 models and their PB-1 and PB-2 boosters.)
Based on my experience, where I've had two cameras go down in one day, anything but a 1D is taking too many chances.
 
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slclick

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For the people saying the only thing the 5D iv has over the R is the dual slots, what about action with tracking autofocus? Are there any good comparisons out there? I saw one unscientific comparison between the RP and 6D ii focusing and the 6D ii did much better just trying to capture people walking around.

You can always stick a $20 LCD viewfinder on the back of the 5d iv and use it in liveview :) , so what advantage does the R bring other than being able to use RF lenses? silent shooting, eye tracking, smaller size and weight, anything else important?
I don't think anyone worth paying a modicum of attention towards is saying that. The 5D4 is so much more of a complete camera body in a multitude of form and functions.
 
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riker

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As a yachting photographer, I spend a lot of time on the water, most of it being salt. The idea of a grip means only more places where water comes in and are prone to corrosion. (As I recall from film days with the EOS 1 models and their PB-1 and PB-2 boosters.)
Based on my experience, where I've had two cameras go down in one day, anything but a 1D is taking too many chances.
As I said, extreme conditions. As a dive instructor, I'm happy to agree with you that working in/on/around the sea is easily considered extreme. Salt water kills without mercy.
 

CanonFanBoy

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Jan 28, 2015
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For the people saying the only thing the 5D iv has over the R is the dual slots, what about action with tracking autofocus? Are there any good comparisons out there? I saw one unscientific comparison between the RP and 6D ii focusing and the 6D ii did much better just trying to capture people walking around.

You can always stick a $20 LCD viewfinder on the back of the 5d iv and use it in liveview :) , so what advantage does the R bring other than being able to use RF lenses? silent shooting, eye tracking, smaller size and weight, anything else important?
Those people probably have neither camera.
 
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pj1974

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Oct 18, 2011
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Have you actually used the current EOS R? The only thing the 5D IV has over it are the dual card slots. Everything else is better on the R, and I love my 5D IV. It’s highly unlikely to have a faster frame rate. For one it will have high MP, so it will be something currently unthinkable. Two, I believe 8 fps is plenty for most things, including bird photography and sports, so they’ll likely differentiate it a bit from the EOS R which is a value, and hold the frames back a bit.
Yes, I have used the current EOS R as I have the 5DIV. I have also used many other cameras, both from Canon and other brands - FF, APS-C and mirrorless. So I have a wide camera experience base which I base my comparisons and preferences from. :geek:

There are many other people who agree with me that the 5DIV has more over the EOS R than just dual card slots. Here are a few:
- the 5DIV's actual AF tracking for moving objects is superior to the EOS R in many scenarios,
- the 5DIV has higher effective FPS,
- the 5DIV has better ergonomics for many people,
- the 5DIV has vastly better battery life, and
- the 5DIV has less banding in still images for certain settings.

I really quite like the EOS R's EVF. For certain applications I prefer an EVF, for other situations, I prefer an OVF.

There are some aspects I quite like about the EOS R, but it's not the camera for me. (Fine if it's the camera for you). Horses for courses, CandySpan. ;)

In time Canon will make a FF Mirrorless model that's right for me. The EOS R and EOS RP are not those models yet.
 

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Yes, I have used the current EOS R as I have the 5DIV. I have also used many other cameras, both from Canon and other brands - FF, APS-C and mirrorless. So I have a wide camera experience base which I base my comparisons and preferences from. :geek:

There are many other people who agree with me that the 5DIV has more over the EOS R than just dual card slots. Here are a few:
  • the 5DIV's actual AF tracking for moving objects is superior to the EOS R in many scenarios,
  • the 5DIV has higher effective FPS,
  • the 5DIV has better ergonomics for many people,
  • the 5DIV has vastly better battery life, and
  • the 5DIV has less banding in still images for certain settings.
I really quite like the EOS R's EVF. For certain applications I prefer an EVF, for other situations, I prefer an OVF.

There are some aspects I quite like about the EOS R, but it's not the camera for me. (Fine if it's the camera for you). Horses for courses, CandySpan. ;)

In time Canon will make a FF Mirrorless model that's right for me. The EOS R and EOS RP are not those models yet.
Both 5D4 and EOS-R take pictures of comparable quality. Each of the 5D4 or EOS-R has merits of its own.
  • EOS-R can accurately focus in low and back-lit situations upto -6ev.
  • EOS-R has focus points covering %88 of the screen, upto very close to the edge.
  • EOS-R doesn't need lens calibration.
  • EOS-R works with RF lenses that have control ring, and CPL/ND adapters for EF lenses.
  • EOS-R has better video spec than 5D4.
  • EOS-R has quite capable and configurable EVF and can show lots of info in it, such as histogram and focus distance.
  • EOS-R has silent shutter (currently for single shot only).
  • EOS-R can shoot with RF, EF and EF-S lenses.
Neither is better nor worse than the other.
Although different they are both very capable cameras for their proper use-cases.
 
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pj1974

EOS 7D MK II
Oct 18, 2011
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Both 5D4 and EOS-R take pictures of comparable quality. Each of the 5D4 or EOS-R has merits of its own.
  • EOS-R can accurately focus in low and back-lit situations upto -6ev.
  • EOS-R has focus points covering %88 of the screen, upto very close to the edge.
  • EOS-R doesn't need lens calibration.
  • EOS-R works with RF lenses that have control ring, and CPL/ND adapters for EF lenses.
  • EOS-R has better video spec than 5D4.
  • EOS-R has quite capable and configurable EVF and can show lots of info in it, such as histogram and focus distance.
  • EOS-R has silent shutter (currently for single shot only).
  • EOS-R can shoot with RF, EF and EF-S lenses.
Neither is better nor worse than the other.
Although different they are both very capable cameras for their proper use-cases.
I never said 5D4 was better or worse than EOS R. I was correctly pointing out that there are certain features the 5D4 had over the EOS R that certain photographers value. So some of your points above are valid, others are not (e.g. in Live view, 5D4 also uses DPAF, so it is very similar to the EOS R's AF / covering around 80% of the screen, needs no lens calibration, etc.

For me, the EOS R is not the Canon FF mirrorless camera, but a future model might be. The 5D4 works better for me than the EOS R. For other photographers, the EOS R might work better. As I wrote in my previous post, "horses for courses".

Be happy... :):D The present AND the future are good for photographers, like me, who enjoy photography!

Paul
 
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Both 5D4 and EOS-R take pictures of comparable quality. Each of the 5D4 or EOS-R has merits of its own.
  • EOS-R can accurately focus in low and back-lit situations upto -6ev.
  • But only if the subject is static and doesn't move much....and the AF takes a while to get a lock...
  • EOS-R has focus points covering %88 of the screen, upto very close to the edge.
  • Having less focus points is easier and quicker to navigate
  • EOS-R doesn't need lens calibration.
  • very few of my extensive L glass collection has ever needed AF calibration....unlike every Sigma lens I've owned.
  • EOS-R works with RF lenses that have control ring, and CPL/ND adapters for EF lenses.
  • This is a circular argument about the lens range. Many of the Rf lenses are halo lenses and very niche. The best lens range is still the EF mount and both systems can use them.The control ring is a gimic and in the UK the CPL/ND adapters still aren't available.
  • EOS-R has better video spec than 5D4.
  • Only because it's a newer camera. Roll on the 5D5 / 1DxIII and the reverse will be true.
  • EOS-R has quite capable and configurable EVF and can show lots of info in it, such as histogram and focus distance.
  • Again Gimics...and for many an Optical view finder is far more preferable
  • EOS-R has silent shutter (currently for single shot only).
  • The 5D3/5D4 silent shooting is exceptionally quiet and certainly quiet enough. It also works in all AF modes.
  • EOS-R can shoot with RF, EF and EF-S lenses.
  • There aren't any Rf lenses that I currently need or desire. All of my lens needs are still furnished in the EF mount...including the amazing 400mm f2.8.
Neither is better nor worse than the other.
Although different they are both very capable cameras for their proper use-cases.
I think for slow moving / stationary targets with slim DOF, the Rf camera bodies have a slim advantage over the EF bodies. But the Ef bodies have a huge advantage with high frame rate fast moving targets. For me, the Rf cameras are am immature product that show an interesting technology that will be amazing in a few generations. Maybe by then Canon will get the Rf CPL and ND ef to Rf adapters to market too...
 
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I was at a football match last week Norwich vs Swansea at the Norwich city stadium. 22000 supporters and the event was covered by Sky sports. I looked over the press stills coverage for the event. 6 photographers, 2 on Nikon, 4 on Canon...none were using mirrorless cameras. I saw 70-200.2.8 / 400.2.8 / 200-400.f4 lenses....and no mirror less cameras at all.
So yes there's an Rf revolution coming...but not at the top tier pro end of the market. The technology just isn't there.
 

SecureGSM

EOS 6D MK II
Feb 26, 2017
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I was at a football match last week Norwich vs Swansea at the Norwich city stadium. 22000 supporters and the event was covered by Sky sports. I looked over the press stills coverage for the event. 6 photographers, 2 on Nikon, 4 on Canon...none were using mirrorless cameras. I saw 70-200.2.8 / 400.2.8 / 200-400.f4 lenses....and no mirror less cameras at all.
So yes there's an Rf revolution coming...but not at the top tier pro end of the market. The technology just isn't there.
rehouse the A9 into the 1DX II body, add Canon menus, add EF mount and watch them coming and lining up. :)
 
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scyrene

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Funny how no matter what is rumoured as the next Canon camera, a tonne of people moan that it's wrong, it's not what they should be doing, that THEIR needs should be met first :rolleyes: You know, things are allowed to exist that you don't personally want?
 
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