The next EOS R system camera gets a mention again [CR1]

Avenger 2.0

EOS M50
Jul 30, 2017
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Good luck with the continuous autofocus with BM pocket cinema. It has a mind of its own when comes to auto focus!
Manual focus will be fine though.
Didn't even know it could do continuous autofocus. Would not use this for weddings or events anyway.
It's a cinema camera designed primarily for narrative filmmaking. Would only use this with one-time focus or manual focus.
 

proutprout

EOS M50
Nov 25, 2018
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When you think about it, there’s someone in Canon that said : let’s create amazing lenses that no one will buy, so maybe after a year or so we can create a camera that doesn’t interest anyone. And they did it ! Amazing !
 
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degos

EOS 80D
Mar 20, 2015
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I've also been more successful at capturing some rather difficult peak moment shots (think fighter crossovers at airshows) simply because I have the confidence to zoom out a bit and crop in post, thereby giving my reaction time an edge.
That's fie for your personal use, but for selling images the buyers are looking for insane detail, down to the patches on the pilots' arms. Seriously. They want to be able to do an A3 spread cropped to the cockpits.

Anything short of 600mm focal length for a crossover is now considered 'slacking' and quite a few shooters are using 600 + 1.4x
 

masterpix

EOS T7i
Jun 29, 2016
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In my vision I see a 1Dx look alike with two exceptions: no mirror and no penta-prism in it. Why not keep the good ergonomics of the DSLR and just "remove" the parts which are not needed in the mirrorless camera? if you remove the mirror part, you can squeeze all the electronics into something thinner, no need to decrease the width or the height of the camera. Just a thought...
 
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dtaylor

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That's fie for your personal use, but for selling images the buyers are looking for insane detail, down to the patches on the pilots' arms.
LOL are you kidding with this post? You're not going to see '...the patches on pilot's arms...' while shooting two aircraft in a crossover for a host of reasons that have nothing to do with focal length.

Seriously. They want to be able to do an A3 spread cropped to the cockpits.
Do you have any idea how tightly you can crop 50mp and still do A3?

That said, for a really detailed in flight cockpit shot you have to be close to the aircraft and the aircraft has to be angled so that you are looking into it. So basically a relatively slow, nearly overhead turn. When such a turn occurs anything 400mm and above will be enough. Hell, you might get away with 300mm. If it's not overhead then you are not going to "overpower" the distance with 600mm, 600mm x1.4, or even 600mm x2.

That's the dirty little secret with airshows. Having an idea of where a plane is going to do the thing you want to capture, and walking across the base to get as close as possible to that location, counts for more than focal length ever could. The relative magnifications between an aircraft passing over and an aircraft down flight line are easily an order of magnitude greater than the focal length range in Canon's (or anyone's) telephoto lineup.

In any case, you're never going to be that close to a crossover unless you're military. The maneuver isn't as dangerous as it looks, but it is still dangerous and it is not performed over civilian heads.
 
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Del Paso

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Aug 9, 2018
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True...BUT, it would be nice if it "could" be.....eh?
I'd like to have that option...

;)

C
OK!
Go and buy the Mercedes G wagon with it's AMG V12 engine, and all your wishes will come true...:love:
The hi-speed EOS R will come someday, but with 20+ MP.
 

Del Paso

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Aug 9, 2018
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Canon about to turn out a hi-resolution camera, and they get flak since it won't be also a hi-fps and superlative video camera .
Criticism for the sake of criticism.
Landscapers are waiting for such a camera, and have usually no need for hi-fps. The Sony A 7s has 12 MP, and nobody seems to criticize it for not having 70 MP.
Strange, isn't it?
Are Wonderful Sony Fanboys on the loose again? :unsure:
 

edoorn

EOS 80D
Apr 1, 2016
184
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So, the full frame R line could have in the future 5 models?
  • RP as base cheap model
  • R for the more advanced enthusiast / some pro's
  • R high res (5Ds replacement)
  • R5 (mid megapixel pro like a 5d4)
  • R1 (fast sports/action cam like a 1dx)
Could it be that the 5ds and 5d4 would be merged into one body, maybe by offering a M-raw option with higher fps?
 

max_sr

EOS T7i
Jan 8, 2019
69
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So, the full frame R line could have in the future 5 models?
  • RP as base cheap model
  • R for the more advanced enthusiast / some pro's
  • R high res (5Ds replacement)
  • R5 (mid megapixel pro like a 5d4)
  • R1 (fast sports/action cam like a 1dx)
Could it be that the 5ds and 5d4 would be merged into one body, maybe by offering a M-raw option with higher fps?
That's not seperated/confusing enough. Add at least 2 or 3 more lines of cameras. Every niche needs its own camera line.
 

jolyonralph

Kodak Brownie
Aug 25, 2015
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OMG I wish, I would love Canon to the Moon and back forever. But I don't think so. Anything reaching 20-30MP@10FPS threatens 1 series too much.
As Steve Jobs said "If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will."

There will always be a market for a 1D level camera at a premium. But frame rate is far from the only reason people buy such bodies.
 
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padam

EOS 7D MK II
Aug 26, 2015
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In my vision I see a 1Dx look alike with two exceptions: no mirror and no penta-prism in it. Why not keep the good ergonomics of the DSLR and just "remove" the parts which are not needed in the mirrorless camera? if you remove the mirror part, you can squeeze all the electronics into something thinner, no need to decrease the width or the height of the camera. Just a thought...
Because they are fundamentally different designs, the sensor (or the "heart") is placed differently the mount is placed differently, EVF is different, the motherboard is different, everything is different. It would look very ugly if they just changed those things and kept all the rest with even more unused space in the bodies (both the 5D and the 1D have a fair amount of it).
If they still kept the good old EF-mount and changed the viewfinder, it would be possible, although it is actually more difficult to clean the dust out that way and there is no mirror for protection, so apart from the EVF, you are only keeping the disadvantages of mirrorless without the advantages.

It is much more likely that we will see an evolution on the EOS R design with extra things like the On/Off switched replaced by a dial, the Touchbar replaced by a joystick as mentioned, etc.
And I expect the top-end model to have the grip built-in for the ultimate speed and not this one which is more specialised but not as expensive(since it is sort of a 5DsR replacement after all), but we'll see.
 

Del Paso

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That's not seperated/confusing enough. Add at least 2 or 3 more lines of cameras. Every niche needs its own camera line.
R "5" would be really fine, and the missing link between EOS R and EOS Hi-resolution.
Gimme gimme quick!
 
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