The next EOS R system camera gets a mention again [CR1]

[Phynx2019]

NOOOOO Canon, don't put IBIS in the next EOS R at the moment your the only Camera Company that dosn't have it. IBIS is for marketing and amateurs who don't know how to hold a camera. Canon is also correct in stating the optical stabilization is better than sensor stabilization. If you do introduce IBIS at least make it an option that it can be turned off in camera.

 

[rrcphoto]

Large pixel has better SNR than binned CMOS pixels. It just means that A7RIII uses some SW processing which is not in A7SII or that DXO data are useless.

the differences are so minor you'd never see it in your photography, not to mention you entirely decided to ignore what exactly I wrote, which was the fact that more pixels allows you a greater freedom of computational NR before you reduce the image size.

 

[dtaylor]

Large pixel has better SNR than binned CMOS pixels. It just means that A7RIII uses some SW processing which is not in A7SII or that DXO data are useless.

Or that the article you quote is not accurate or not applicable.

I'm going to say the latter is true regardless of the former. For real world photography "signal" is the resolved detail in two dimensions. Signal is not merely a single color with noise being the variance from that test color.

Perhaps if you shoot a gray card with the A7sII and A7rIII and bin a few of the latter's pixels to match one of the former's you will get a higher SNR value from the A7sII. But the "signal" you are analyzing in that SNR value is not the same "signal" that human beings are receiving when they actually look at the image. If we go by the photographic "signal" then the A7rIII is going to have the highest SNR even if you don't utilize NR processing.

 

[MrFotoFool]

I was not interested in mirrorless R system, but this could change my mind (along with larger than 2.8 zoom lenses). I think the question for me and perhaps others will be do we jump over in the next couple years, or do we hold out and take advantage of presumably good prices on used EOS gear that early R adopters start dumping?

 

[digitalride]

Large pixel has better SNR than binned CMOS pixels. It just means that A7RIII uses some SW processing which is not in A7SII or that DXO data are useless.

https://www.atik-cameras.com/news/binnning-the-differences-between-cmos-and-ccd/

If you have CMOS with one large pixel instead of 4 small binned pixels you can look at it as if you used CCD binning from that article. Readout is simply better and it still allows doing SW processing on top of that.

That article is not wrong, and in theory one large cmos pixel could do slightly better than four small cmos pixels combined in software in terms of noise , but in practice with modern cameras smaller pixels downsampled does better in terms of noise and detail. 4 small pixels gives you more detail information to work with in software processing than 1 large pixel.

 

[CptSlevin]

Oh, c'mon!
We just need EOS R Body better than Canon 5D Mark IV, who the hell needs 70mp?
That's just absurd in terms of file size and shooting spped

 

[dtaylor]

I"m thinking about maybe renting the BM Design 4K pocket camera, and maybe the metabones adapter for my EF lenses, just to play with it and see how it works and how the workflow is. I like with the BM Design, you also get included the FULL version fo Davinci Resolve....like a $300 value.

The BMPCC is a great cinema camera, and I've looked at it as well. Larger sensors and AF features pull me towards the A73 or XT3. Between those two the XT3's price, color science, 10-bit out, 4k60p, and great bit rates (versus the A73) will probably win me over. Sensor size is a concern simply because I have FF glass and don't want a severe crop. I'm not even thrilled with a 1.5x crop but the XT3 offers so much for video. The BMPCC's sensor is of course excellent and it's giving you even more video features.

I love my current 5D3 still, it works great for me...I actually bought it when it first came out, my first ever DSLR, and believe it or not, I bought it primarily for VIDEO!!...It wasn't till a year or so later I actually started experimenting shooting stills with it and fell in love with stills too.

5D3 is a workhorse. A very solid camera that has been used to produce many award winning shots.

But with the reasonable price of the BM 4K camera for video, a dedicated very well rated camera, I would look into buying it too primarily for video and using my "R" can 5D3 cameras as backup or B roll cameras.

That seems to be the best strategy for now. I think Canon will give us a good hybrid stills/video R camera. I just don't expect it until 2020 at the earliest.

 

[rrcphoto]

Oh, c'mon!
We just need EOS R Body better than Canon 5D Mark IV, who the hell needs 70mp?
That's just absurd in terms of file size and shooting spped

Obviously "we" does not include "me" who really wants this camera out, as it's the EOS R camera I've been waiting for.

Perhaps it's always best not to assume you know what everyone else wants. Just sayin'

 

[jhpeterson]

I'm most interested in seeing this camera. What's of critical importance to me is a weather-sealed 1D build, along with fast AF and a long-lasting battery. I'd expect dual slots to be a given and would really appreciate IBIS.
What I'd also like to see is that this camera offers at least two RAW modes, the high-resolution one here mentioned, albeit a relatively low frame rate, as well as a reduced-size file for action sports.

 

[ozturert]

Have Canon DSLR ergonomy, 5D IV dynamic range, 70+MP, good Dual Pixel AF, articulating touch screen, good shutter noise, good weather sealing, max. 3500USD and thisis my next camera.

 

[Aaron D]

An outlier possibility is that this will be an image-quality-above-all-else camera, and it will be a roughly 1 frames per second camera at maximum quality.

A high-res, low frame rate camera would be perfect for studio/landscape/architectural photos. It doesn't need great video or high ISOs. Or IBIS! I know I'm one of the few whackos left who hasn't converted to IBIS-ism, but with this type camera I'm using a tripod anyway. And I don't want to pay extra for the added complexity I'll never use. The 5DS optimizes everything for quality (softer mirror return, stronger tripod mount, etc)—I personally believe that means bolting your sensor down.

 

[freejay]

Oh yeah: Everybody is starting to build his or her perfect camera in their minds - and reality will fail them massively... ;-)

 

[Hector1970]

I think it was always going to be the next Canon mirrorless because it seems the next easiest camera to make. I may have a bad model but I’ve never fully liked the 5DSR. For me the 50MP are not worth the hassle of dealing with the additional data. I really only found it good in a studio. I think if I wanted 70MP files I’d go medium format.
I know birders want this camera. It would get extra pixels on the target.
I’ve personally never found this a great advantage. I’ve found getting closer better but I’m not a specialist in birds.

 

[freejay]

Since we're on it: I don't need more megapixels than my R. But I'd like IBIS (esp. for third party lenses) and a little more speed - resulting in higher video frame rates, non-crop 4K, less rolling shutter, faster continuous autofocus, less "black out" - that's more or less it!

 

[Aaron D]

IBIS is for marketing and amateurs who don't know how to hold a camera.

Amen! Thank you for saying it out loud. And I don't want to switch it off either. Just put it in some consumer-ish video-leaning camera for those who've gotta have it.

 

[stochasticmotions]

Can't wait for this, dreaming that it will also have a good buffer and can shoot 7-10 fps. Probably a pipe dream, but maybe Canon will try to out do both Nikon D850 and Sony A7RIII completely and not just in resolution. That being said if it can do what my 5DS can do I will still likely get one.

 

[jmoya]

Stupid stupid canon. first they give us the R then the RP with old recycled sensors and wacky frame rates and crop video with no 120. Now they introduce a stupid overkill mp count on photos sensor that will pretty much mean you'll need to get a new computer and mega capacity memory cards and hard drives. No need for 70mp. 40 mp would've been more than enough. The ibis would be nice as the dual card slots as 120fps for 1080 and a non crop 4k in a useful codec. Canon will screw this up somehow. Trust me, they will. They always screw it up somehow. If not the body will be so damn big that'll it'll make it a hassel to travel with. Canon for life but c'mon...give us a break and give us something we can be proud of being a canon user. Losing faith on each canon body release for the past few years. I don't care how much the thing cost. Stop trying to make them affordable and just make them good. I'll pay whatever you want...just make it a good one!!!

 

[crazyrunner33]

That article is not wrong, and in theory one large cmos pixel could do slightly better than four small cmos pixels combined in software in terms of noise , but in practice with modern cameras smaller pixels downsampled does better in terms of noise and detail. 4 small pixels gives you more detail information to work with in software processing than 1 large pixel.

Correct. This has been proven with the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera and the GH5S. They have the best low light for micro 4/3 and are being used as 12 mp sensors, but the sensors actually use 4 pixels for quad bayering, newer iterations of this sensor allow the quad bayering to work like a traditional bayer and run higher resolution. Same thing is being used for some of the newer cell phone sensors.

 

[Randywayne]

My starting retail price prediction: $4499.00

But. . . depending on about a half dozen other things with it -frame rate, MRAW size, dynamic range (must be at least as good as my current 5D IV), no AA filter (which I would expect at this point) and battery life, I may still be very interested.

 

[jolyonralph]

if you had done the math correctly, you had found out that it would be 26.0MP in crop mode (instead of 66.7MP in FF mode)

You're absolutely right, my spreadsheet was broken