The Fat Fish said:How serious are these awards if even the 6DII get's one?
Why doesn't it deserve one?
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The Fat Fish said:How serious are these awards if even the 6DII get's one?
I use a Canon 6D and was all primed and ready to purchase the Mark II but was surprised at what a sorry upgrade it was. Sure it takes fine photos, but I didn't feel it was enough of an upgrade to make the purchase. There is no comparison between the 6D II and the Sony A7III. I'm hoping Canon's first full frame mirrorless can measure up to the Sony A7III. In the meantime, I'm using both Canon and Sony and Canon glass on both. I have to admit that probably 75% of my shooting is switched over to the Sony, but I really hope Canon can step up to the plate before the end of 2018 with their upcoming mirrorless.dak723 said:When I was choosing between the 6D and the Sony A7 II, the 6D gave me better looking photos, was easier to use and to hold, better AF, better exposure metering. I would be monumentally surprised if the next gen Sony was noticeably better than it's predecessor, so I'm pretty sure that today the choice between the 6D II and the Sony A7 III would be just as favorable for the Canon.
KirkD said:Sure it takes fine photos, but I didn't feel it was enough of an upgrade to make the purchase.
What do you mean by 'measure up'? Full feature set - fat chance. A good solid imaging machine - high probability.I'm hoping Canon's first full frame mirrorless can measure up to the Sony A7III.
Quirkz said:There’s just this weird perception that the 6D II is a bad camera just because everyone expected it to have improved low iso dr. Even though everyone who actually owns and uses one says it’s excellent.
I don’t get why the interwebz hates on it so much.
ashmadux said:Perception?
LOL
Any knowledgeable camerman can see how hard canon tried to keep this from encroaching the 5d4. Yeah, that's a great way to spend two grand, when the latest sony utterly embarrasses the camera in tech alone. The problem with the 5d being such an iconic line, is that now canon will put an old tech camera on the market for 3 years just to keep a market away from it. Totally ridiculous, and the execs already admitted to the pathetic behavior.
I love my canon gear, but no, with this nonsense, they shall not pass!!!
(where's that darn wizard when you need him?)
KirkD said:I use a Canon 6D and was all primed and ready to purchase the Mark II but was surprised at what a sorry upgrade it was. Sure it takes fine photos, but I didn't feel it was enough of an upgrade to make the purchase. There is no comparison between the 6D II and the Sony A7III. I'm hoping Canon's first full frame mirrorless can measure up to the Sony A7III. In the meantime, I'm using both Canon and Sony and Canon glass on both. I have to admit that probably 75% of my shooting is switched over to the Sony, but I really hope Canon can step up to the plate before the end of 2018 with their upcoming mirrorless.dak723 said:When I was choosing between the 6D and the Sony A7 II, the 6D gave me better looking photos, was easier to use and to hold, better AF, better exposure metering. I would be monumentally surprised if the next gen Sony was noticeably better than it's predecessor, so I'm pretty sure that today the choice between the 6D II and the Sony A7 III would be just as favorable for the Canon.
I certainly would not say the 6D II is "crap". Apart from no 4k video, I was disappointed in the dynamic range of its sensor .. the same as the 6D (which I already have), and I shoot a lot outdoors in low light. Are you sure you "tried to use the A7III"? They are not expected to start shipping until May 1.kkamena said:I owned the 6d and now own the 6dii. As started earlier all the complaining about 6dii is form non-6dii owners. People point to one thing mostly using DxOmark (who are worthless) to say the camera is crap. There are very limited situations where the 6d may perform better. I have not in my course of shooting come across a situation where the 6dii was not better than the original. I have tried to use the A7 III and am very glad I got the 6dii. There are so many things that Canon just does well that you do not even realize until you try a different brand in my experience. I would decently recommend the 6dii to anyone looking for an inexpensive FF.
more like the richest camera manufacturer onthe planet is the least innovative and stingiest. you have all the smaller companies trying their hardest to produce new features and use more advanced technology.dak723 said:Quirkz said:There’s just this weird perception that the 6D II is a bad camera just because everyone expected it to have improved low iso dr. Even though everyone who actually owns and uses one says it’s excellent.
I don’t get why the interwebz hates on it so much.
Because Canon is the most successful camera company and people love to tear down what is at the top.
Because the techno-geeks only care about new and exciting - and all the review sites are run by techno-geeks.
Because people read the review sites and then act like moronic sheep, mindlessly repeating what the reviewers say.
Mikehit said:KirkD said:Sure it takes fine photos, but I didn't feel it was enough of an upgrade to make the purchase.
Many people think that camera manufacturers release new models to get people to upgrade. Wrong. The overriding market is an updated model for people lower down the chain to upgrade to - for example APS-C to intro level FF, not 6D to 6DII.
If you want a genuine upgrade go to 5D level.
What do you mean by 'measure up'? Full feature set - fat chance. A good solid imaging machine - high probability.I'm hoping Canon's first full frame mirrorless can measure up to the Sony A7III.
RayValdez360 said:more like the richest camera manufacturer onthe planet is the least innovative and stingiest. you have all the smaller companies trying their hardest to produce new features and use more advanced technology.dak723 said:Quirkz said:There’s just this weird perception that the 6D II is a bad camera just because everyone expected it to have improved low iso dr. Even though everyone who actually owns and uses one says it’s excellent.
I don’t get why the interwebz hates on it so much.
Because Canon is the most successful camera company and people love to tear down what is at the top.
Because the techno-geeks only care about new and exciting - and all the review sites are run by techno-geeks.
Because people read the review sites and then act like moronic sheep, mindlessly repeating what the reviewers say.
Frankly, I have no idea why people want to upgrade camera bodies every couple of years. I mean, don't they have anything else they would rather spend money on... lenses... lighting... birthday gift for wife...
tcphoto said:Since when is the 6DII a professional tool?
Hector1970 said:I'd say it was the 4K video on the 6DII that made the difference.
Pity they have it so well hidden in the menus that very few people find it.
Mikehit said:The Fat Fish said:How serious are these awards if even the 6DII get's one?
Why doesn't it deserve one?
Mikehit said:tcphoto said:Since when is the 6DII a professional tool?
The award said 'Expert' - so I suggest you improve your reading skills.
And why would a professional not use it?
The Fat Fish said:Looking at the $2000 market today, the 5DIV should have been the 6DII.
The Fat Fish said:The 6DII was two features short of what it should have been as a $2000 2017 camera. There were three that users expected.
1) Improved DR inline with the 5DIV and 80D.
This is the biggest let down for most as there's absolutely no reason for not doing it. It's their latest camera, the original 6D had better DR than the 5DIII and it was something praised on the 80D and 5DIV.
2) 4K Video
As a 2017 camera this was expected by many. Of course the 5DIV's less than ideal 4K video implementation indicated the 6DII would suffer also, many including me had hoped Canon would swallow their pride and offer it.
3) Dual card slots
This is a bit of a "bonus feature" but one Sony and Nikon don't have an issue putting in $2000 cameras.
The 6DII needed any two of these features in my opinion.
The Fat Fish said:Mikehit said:The Fat Fish said:How serious are these awards if even the 6DII get's one?
Why doesn't it deserve one?
Because it was the most criticised camera of the last decade? It was not a good release for it's price or release year. From a personal perspective, I had saved up for the 6DII in anticipation for it's announcement and then on release I have never been so disappointed. Admittedly I am a 6D user so the reasons to upgrade are almost none.
The 6DII was two features short of what it should have been as a $2000 2017 camera. There were three that users expected.
1) Improved DR inline with the 5DIV and 80D.
This is the biggest let down for most as there's absolutely no reason for not doing it. It's their latest camera, the original 6D had better DR than the 5DIII and it was something praised on the 80D and 5DIV.
2) 4K Video
As a 2017 camera this was expected by many. Of course the 5DIV's less than ideal 4K video implementation indicated the 6DII would suffer also, many including me had hoped Canon would swallow their pride and offer it.
3) Dual card slots
This is a bit of a "bonus feature" but one Sony and Nikon don't have an issue putting in $2000 cameras.
The 6DII needed any two of these features in my opinion. The reason they were held back are largely due to the inflated price of the 5DIV. Looking at the $2000 market today, the 5DIV should have been the 6DII.