Two more EOS R bodies are coming in 2021 [CR2]

Michael Clark

Now we see through a glass, darkly...
Apr 5, 2016
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It seemed like there were more canon trolls on the forum than anything. The canon enthusiasts I know were not defensive about canon at all. They were unhappy with products that were lacking innovation for years. It started slowly but the last 2 years they got really upset about this. They wanted canon to do better so that they could have but a better product. Most of them have several L lenses like me which creates a barrier to switching. I think canon knows that our lens investment creates a barrier to users switching. That can lead to less customer centric behavior because the competition has to be so much better to entice folks to switch platforms.

this forum just didn’t reflect the mood I sensed anywhere in the real world. My safari group was concerned that canon was falling behind. My scuba groups were already dismissive of canon and their segmentation strategy. I can go on. But on this forum their was this hostility to the fact that canon had a brewing problem. I mostly saw canon trolls who seemed to say that everything canon made was fantastic. The 6d mark 2 was a disappointment and the R on its release was a unpolished recycled part product. The canon trolls will just say it’s all terrific and folks rush out and buy these substandard products at ridiculous prices. Canon built an amazing reputation for innovation a decade ago and that reputation helps fuels sales. But 1-2 years ago was a real low point. I am happy that I didn’t switch as I see canons upcoming products. Their new products show that we’re paying attention to where the market is going. I suspect that they fell behind on some technology and used their amazing brand strength to mitigate defections while they worked on new products.

but this forum over the past 2 years just seemed defensive. Canon is number one and anything that canon doesn’t offer is just stupid or niche. That’s why they don’t offer it!
That was the canon troll attitude here

The 6D Mark II was a disappointment only to those who judged it solely based on the spec sheet and technical measurements published by sites like DxO and photons to photos that often make mountains out of molehills in terms of minor performance differences. To those who use it, the 6D Mark II has a reputation as a pretty good camera and there is much quality work that has been done with it.
 

SecureGSM

2 x 5D IV
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8K 30 and 4K 120 are more than assumptions. They've been announced by Canon. There's a minimum technical capability in terms of sensor readout speed needed to support such video frame rates which directly translates to EVF performance.
Ah, not really sorry. You are talking video where an immediate, real time position of your subject is not that extremely important you are following your subject and keep framing regardless of latency level. The issue is:how fast can you get the pixel red and displayed in your EVF? How close is the EVF performance to a latency free optical viewfinder.
Again. All based on assumption. Show me the real thing. :)
 

SecureGSM

2 x 5D IV
Feb 26, 2017
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No IBIS and other new features putting it near the bottom just above the RP.
5d4 sensor was used in R and 6DII sensor was used in RP. these two are light years apart. like chalk and cheese. like 1.5 stop of Dynamic range difference at ISO 100, R RAW files are much more manageable than RP at low ISO. just more latitude in there. FPS numbers are different.
 

martin_p_a

EOS RP
Jul 30, 2019
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We've all been speculating (including myself) that the pro body would be called the R1. Now that I sit and think about it, wouldn't the correct name be EOS 1R?
Well, we have R5 and the rumored R6... logic strongly suggests that the numeral goes after the letter for their mirrorless line, as opposed to before, like it does for DSLR (6D, 5D, 5Ds/sr, 1D, 1DX)
 

CDR

I'm New Here
Feb 6, 2019
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My biggest concern as a wildlife photography enthusiast is the lack of a suitable apparent FF option on the roadmap. The APS-C 7D mk 11 is very long in the tooth and the R6 with 20MP will not allow for any / much cropping. Yes, the R5 will be great inclusion to the line but hey how many of us will be able to afford it now with all the video bells and whistles! I would love an economy / down-tuned version of the R5, but would still lack a long and brighter enthusiast zoom like Sony has with the 200-600. Can't see the RF100-500 with F7.1 at the long end being a real option to be honest, ho hum...
 

Drcampbellicu

EOS 80D
Jul 31, 2019
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I think we are going to have to spend the cash for the R5 or wait for the later models. RF high end bodies might be like their lenses: fantastic but not cheap.

if the R6 is good enough then I’ll get it to tide me over. But I suspect that I will splurge and get theR5 if they keep the price under 4K. The R5 sounds like it’s clearly targeted towards the higher end with better sealing and a better EVF per the rumors. The better EVF might be a key decider when they actually come out

I’m just excited that we have serious options coming. The original R was not a serious option for me and my 7d mark2 needs replacement.

My biggest concern as a wildlife photography enthusiast is the lack of a suitable apparent FF option on the roadmap. The APS-C 7D mk 11 is very long in the tooth and the R6 with 20MP will not allow for any / much cropping. Yes, the R5 will be great inclusion to the line but hey how many of us will be able to afford it now with all the video bells and whistles! I would love an economy / down-tuned version of the R5, but would still lack a long and brighter enthusiast zoom like Sony has with the 200-600. Can't see the RF100-500 with F7.1 at the long end being a real option to be honest, ho hum...
 
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cayenne

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My biggest concern as a wildlife photography enthusiast is the lack of a suitable apparent FF option on the roadmap. The APS-C 7D mk 11 is very long in the tooth and the R6 with 20MP will not allow for any / much cropping. Yes, the R5 will be great inclusion to the line but hey how many of us will be able to afford it now with all the video bells and whistles! I would love an economy / down-tuned version of the R5, but would still lack a long and brighter enthusiast zoom like Sony has with the 200-600. Can't see the RF100-500 with F7.1 at the long end being a real option to be honest, ho hum...
So...what exactly IS your price range?

There's lots of speculation that the price could be in the $3500 range.

Is that too much for you?

I've heard the range of prices many are expecting is $3500-$4000.

So, if you could buy it for $3500....would $500 more knock it off your radar?

From what I can tell the $3500 range, in todays dollars will be somewhat comparable to when the 5D3 or 5D4. came out with....and both of those, had great video as an addition to their stills capabilities.

Did you rail at the prices then?
Did you complain about the video on them then?

Just some food for thought.

And if nothing else let's see what the prices IS when they actually hit the streets.

Photography has never really been a cheap hobby (or profession)....I'd not expect it to be much more so in today's dollars and market either, for what you get.

Just my $0.02,

C
 

Drcampbellicu

EOS 80D
Jul 31, 2019
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If the R5 is released at 3500 then I would be pleased and certainly buying
But I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s much more than that. Of course no one knows.


So...what exactly IS your price range?

There's lots of speculation that the price could be in the $3500 range.

Is that too much for you?

I've heard the range of prices many are expecting is $3500-$4000.

So, if you could buy it for $3500....would $500 more knock it off your radar?

From what I can tell the $3500 range, in todays dollars will be somewhat comparable to when the 5D3 or 5D4. came out with....and both of those, had great video as an addition to their stills capabilities.

Did you rail at the prices then?
Did you complain about the video on them then?

Just some food for thought.

And if nothing else let's see what the prices IS when they actually hit the streets.

Photography has never really been a cheap hobby (or profession)....I'd not expect it to be much more so in today's dollars and market either, for what you get.

Just my $0.02,

C
 

navastronia

EOS RP + 5D Classic
Aug 31, 2018
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Again with this???
There's so much whining and so little understanding of how much including video in these bodies could ever hinder their stills work or increase the price of the camera.

If having video in the R5/R6 bothers y'all so much, maybe it's time to go back to film, hmm? Keep your precious stills shooting pure? I'm being facetious, but why not? It'll even slow down your workflow so you have more time to compose correctly, shooting images you never crop :ROFLMAO:
 
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Pixel

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Sep 6, 2011
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Well, we have R5 and the rumored R6... logic strongly suggests that the numeral goes after the letter for their mirrorless line, as opposed to before, like it does for DSLR (6D, 5D, 5Ds/sr, 1D, 1DX)
But I remember Canon saying their "pro" bodies will always be referred as an "EOS 1" The original pro film body was the EOS 1, the original pro digital body was the EOS 1D. They've yet to make or announce a "pro" mirrorless body whether it be in the R line or the M line because the R5 is clearly not a pro body.
I'm still betting on EOS 1R.
 

martin_p_a

EOS RP
Jul 30, 2019
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Montreal
But I remember Canon saying their "pro" bodies will always be referred as an "EOS 1" The original pro film body was the EOS 1, the original pro digital body was the EOS 1D. They've yet to make or announce a "pro" mirrorless body whether it be in the R line or the M line because the R5 is clearly not a pro body.
I'm still betting on EOS 1R.

Canon also said the R5 was a “5-series” body:

"It's aimed at that level of the market. This isn't a replacement for the 5D Mark IV or anything like that. But this is a mirrorless 5-series, it's aimed at that segment of the market."

David Parry
Canon's Product Marketing Specialist
Interview here
and yet the numeral is after the letter unlike the 5D before.

For the R1 (or 1R), as long as they’re using the same numeral, wherever it is placed, it would still refer to the EOS 1, so I don’t think that argument holds a lot of ground.

Marketing-wise, I feel calling it 1R in a sea of R5 and R6 (and whatever else comes) would be confusing to the customer who’d be calling it R1 anyway (or alternatively would be calling the R5 “5R”).

not that the name is of any importance. We’ll see what they go with in due time.