Two new EOS R bodies coming in the first half of 2020 [CR3]

AlP

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Assuming that Canon will launch a high res body and an R replacement (we don't know that yet), I am curious to see how Canon will differentiate the two. Will the high res body be a very specialized camera with very high resolution but drawbacks in other areas, price point above the R replacement but not too much (a bit like the 5DIII /IV vs. 5DSr situation)? Or a camera which is better than a potential RII in all areas at a significantly higher price point, with a higher margin compensating for lost sales from those who might have bought 2 bodies?
 

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I think the mot important part is that the gear is coming in the first half of 2020. I expected them by the end of the year.
Canon has to gain market share in a declining market if they intend to survive and buying time. They are in the position to do that. The R system is realistically a step forward as proven by the RF lenses. In addition to that, thousands of customers truly love the EOS R, despite being a first attempt and a prosumer camera.

My only suggestion is to SYSTEMATICALLY avoid watching comments from YouTube "experts" when the new model will be announced.
 

DarkPhalanx

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The new rumor (this post) stated the prior rumor the 30mp 12fps was wrong because Canon is stepping it up a gear. I don't know where the specs will land, but I read that to mean the specs will be better than what was reported (30mp 12fps). Maybe is is 32mp and 20fps or maybe it is 40mp and 10fps. If it were only the change of a card slot I doubt that would warrant a source correcting the entire post. I don't know merely giving an opinion.

I have no idea what adds up to you personally and how that relates to this thread. We may just have a language disconnect. Not trying to be rude.
Not a problem man, I didn't perceive any rudeness. I just think the term "stepping it up a notch" is such a broad statement, that it could be virtually anything. Knowing that a lot of people instantly groaned when they saw the "No RAW video", for me that would have been the first ting they may have wanted to address. The resolution seems to be right in the ballpark that I hoped it would be. Any higher, and it would be creating issues with low-light noise.
 
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Architect1776

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What would be for you the top quality fd lenses? I have no clue since I have been born after the fd era.
Surprisingly a good portion are very good. 300mm f2.8 Fluorite, 80-200mm f4 L, 100-200mm f5.6, 15mm f2.8, 200mm f2.8, 400mm, 600mm, 800mm and 1,200mm, 300mm f4 and several others that were very good lenses and still so by even today's standards.
 

telemaque

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Nov 30, 2019
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My guess.
1) The long rumored extremely high-res R model
2) An R model demonstrating where Canon is right now technically in mirrorless. It will include a lot of features found in the 1DXIII. It might have 24-25 megapixels, which potentially could give it very convincing no-crop 4K video quality (And very good low light performance).
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For option 2), this would be in line with my discussion in November 2019 at French photo fair with a Canon executive. I was complaining about the delay Canon was having for several years on the video side at acceptable prices. I was roughly asking if Canon has ever considered a kind of GH5 type of body with a Canon mount. We discussed all what was missing on the video side. We did not discussed the low light capacity. After roughly 20 minutes of discussion, he just told me to continue to watch what Canon will be launching in 2020 and said "I think you might be pleased". He made it clear the "R" was just a start.

So I don't know about low light, but I expect a mirroless Canon body with improved Videos features in 2020.
I cross my fingers my understanding of this conversation is correct.
 
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CanonFanBoy

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For option 2), this would be in line with my discussion in November 2019 at French photo fair with a Canon executive. I was complaining about the delay Canon was having for several years on the video side at acceptable prices. I was roughly asking if Canon has ever considered a kind of GH5 type of body with a Canon mount. We discussed all what was missing on the video side. We did not discussed the low light capacity. After roughly 20 minutes of discussion, he just told me to continue to watch what Canon will be launching in 2020 and said "I think you might be pleased". He made it clear the "R" was just a start.

So I don't know about low light, but I expect a mirroless Canon body with improved Videos features in 2020.
I cross my fingers my understanding of this conversation is correct.
Amazing how many Canon execs and reps who are under NDA release so much info at these electronics shows.
 
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telemaque

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I found it odd that they'd release the RII so close to the first one - it seems out of character for Canon, but I guess anything can happen right now since they're moving into new territory with the RF mount.

Maybe a lot of the feedback on the R was put into the high resolution body design (i.e. updated touch bar, 2 card slots etc), and maybe Canon was concerned that the reception to the high-resolution body (if released alone) would be tempered because it isn't the "do it all" body that people seem to be clamouring for. I really expect that high resolution body to be a specialist tool - low fps, maybe even poor low-light performance, but very high res, probably ruggedized and very very good image quality. The RII could be a do it all and a proper 5D replacement, with the updates to the R that people seem to be after.

Releasing both at the same time may allow Canon to change the dialogue in the internet media while still maintaining the "each body built for a task" business model rather than the good, better, best segmentation model used by other manufacturers. Otherwise people seem focused on complaining about the lack of a feature in a camera designed for something else. Time will tell I guess!
I think their sales results are putting a serious pressure on the company.

They might be obliged to change their classical approach and be more agile on the market.

 

Russ6357

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I’ve a suspicion that the bottom line (EBITDA) was the real motivation behind the mk III big lenses - moving the majority of the glass back reduces lens size and radically reduces lens production costs... weight savings are what we might call “positive side effects”
 

dwarven

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Canon has to gain market share in a declining market if they intend to survive and buying time. They are in the position to do that. The R system is realistically a step forward as proven by the RF lenses. In addition to that, thousands of customers truly love the EOS R, despite being a first attempt and a prosumer camera.

My only suggestion is to SYSTEMATICALLY avoid watching comments from YouTube "experts" when the new model will be announced.
The EOS R is already pretty great, yeah. They just need to convince all of the "lit" instagram kiddos and Youtube e-celebs with a packed spec sheet. The R looks inferior to the a7iii (for example) on paper, but having shot with both I much prefer the R. There's also the issue of available native glass. Having cheaper options of the 2.8 trinity available from Sigma and Tamron will be pretty important if they want to stay in the game. Not too many prosumers want to drop $3k on an L lens.
 

SUNDOG04

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Canon has to gain market share in a declining market if they intend to survive and buying time. They are in the position to do that. The R system is realistically a step forward as proven by the RF lenses. In addition to that, thousands of customers truly love the EOS R, despite being a first attempt and a prosumer camera.

My only suggestion is to SYSTEMATICALLY avoid watching comments from YouTube "experts" when the new model will be announced.
Good idea. Seems like they like to shock people, use click-bait titles, whatever it takes to get you to watch their videos. Some are professionals that I tolerate, but others enthusiasts, too lazy to do, or incapable of, other paid photography.
 

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my discussion in November 2019 at French photo fair with a Canon executive. I was complaining about the delay Canon was having for several years on the video side at acceptable prices. I was roughly asking if Canon has ever considered a kind of GH5 type of body with a Canon mount. We discussed all what was missing on the video side. We did not discussed the low light capacity. After roughly 20 minutes of discussion, he just told me to continue to watch what Canon will be launching in 2020 and said "I think you might be pleased". He made it clear the "R" was just a start.
Amazing how many Canon execs and reps who are under NDA release so much info at these electronics shows.

I guess, but could you better prognosticate a spec list, release timeline or FF mirrorless segmentation plan off of those comments?

As written, that just seemed like 'We will have new things that hopefully will address your impossible expectations. I shall smile now in a reassuring manner. All is fine.'

I didn't hear a huge tell in there. It's not like they confirmed IBIS, talked about releasing EF and RF bodies side by side, pricing, new features, etc.

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tron

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Apart from the fact that I would love/need a 5DMkV (that I would love a lot for low light, interiors, general purpose) and a 5DsRII (that I would need for bird photography) I believe EOS R is more than pretty decent. I received to day the RF15-35 2.8L IS and in a few days the 24-70 2.8L IS. So even if I really love 5DIV (and a 5DV even more in the future) EOS R will more or less replaces it (finally 2.8 wide angle and normal zooms with IS) and least in situations where one body is enough for the 5DIV mentioned needs of mine). But the 5DsRII would be a must for me since its Rs equivalent will not be suitable for birding. And as far as landscape is concerned either 5DIV or EOS R are enough for me.

So for general (Still) photography EOS R seems enough to me. But I am not a pro. By adding a second card (and optionally IBIS) we will have a camera good enough for professionals..
 
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That you for sharing this story. I had not seen it and although it is now a few months old, it is informative and provides a nice factual counterbalance to the uninformed opinions so often shared on this site.

No doubt, these are challenging times for the camera industry, especially after so many years when digital was a new technology and people were happily replacing film cameras with new digital toys.

I disagree with those who view the adoption of mirrorless cameras as "revolutionary" in the same way as the adoption of digital technology. I don't think the average consumer really cares about or even understands the difference between DSLRs and mirrorless bodies. Plus, today's mirrorless cameras are entering a market that is dominated by cellphones, which was not the case when digital DSLRs first arrived on scene.

I tend to fall back on my standard viewpoint, which is that today's camera market is similar to the market pre-digital, when professionals and enthusiasts bought interchangeable lens cameras and most people used Instamatics. Canon and Nikon prospered during those decades by marketing to a narrow customer base and I suspect they both have known for many years that the market would settle back in to a more traditional place.
 

tron

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That you for sharing this story. I had not seen it and although it is now a few months old, it is informative and provides a nice factual counterbalance to the uninformed opinions so often shared on this site.

No doubt, these are challenging times for the camera industry, especially after so many years when digital was a new technology and people were happily replacing film cameras with new digital toys.

I disagree with those who view the adoption of mirrorless cameras as "revolutionary" in the same way as the adoption of digital technology. I don't think the average consumer really cares about or even understands the difference between DSLRs and mirrorless bodies. Plus, today's mirrorless cameras are entering a market that is dominated by cellphones, which was not the case when digital DSLRs first arrived on scene.

I tend to fall back on my standard viewpoint, which is that today's camera market is similar to the market pre-digital, when professionals and enthusiasts bought interchangeable lens cameras and most people used Instamatics. Canon and Nikon prospered during those decades by marketing to a narrow customer base and I suspect they both have known for many years that the market would settle back in to a more traditional place.
+100000000000000

I agree 100%. Digital photography is immensely more revolutionary to film that mirrorless cameras are to DSLRs.
It's the final photo that counts and in the digital era the result is the same irrespective of whether a mirror exists or not.
 

slclick

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I agree 100%. Digital photography is immensely more revolutionary to film that mirrorless cameras are to DSLRs.
It's the final photo that counts and in the digital era the result is the same irrespective of whether a mirror exists or not.
Exactly, Evolutionary in certain aspects. Not a revolution at all. Kind of boring actually.