Unreleased Canon Cinema EOS camera used for 8K capture at WWDC

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PureClassA said:
The entry level 2013 MacPro for $2999 was great for photographers and even video guys who were doing 1080p and even 4k. If you needed something for 3D graphic rendering and whatnot, you could step up from there. Now it's as if the basic photo and video guys are off the table (full time professional Hollywood grade production houses excluded from this statement). We still have needs beyond what a regular machine can deliver, but we don't need a $6000-$50,000 machine either. I could have committed even if the new MacPro arrived at an entry point of $3999... But $5999 ?!?! It's makes the MacMini decked out with an EGPU far more appealing.
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You could always do the iMac Pro....?
 
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I can buy an ABSOLUTE PERFORMANCE WAY-BEYOND-EQUAL system to this Apple Pro for a MUCH CHEAPER amount which has BETTER SPECS, more CPU and GPU horsepower and is FAAAAAAAR more flexible and upgradeable!

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As you can see here EVERYTHING is WORKSTATION CLASS and OBLITERATES the Apple + Intel Solution!

So for a Windows 10 Professional, AMD Threadripper System with 32 cores and 64 threads and 256 gigabytes of DDR4 System RAM, 16 Terabytes of INTERNAL SSD storage and 64 Terabytes of 6GB per second RAID External Drive Storage
TWO of the 16 Gigabyte Workstation Class AMD WX9100 GPU's powering a 7680 by 4320 pixels resolution 10-bit HDR 8K monitor, professional-level 2D/3D Paint and Vector graphics creation and pro-level video editing software bundle (I use the Corel products all the time), a high-end, high-resolution gaming keyboard, mouse and headset, a pro-level colour calibration system and an Epson professional wide format colour inkjet printer, ALL protected by a 1900 Watt APC UPS battery-back power protection system FOR ONLY:

Total Cost: $19,394 US

which is $35,000 CHEAPER than Apple's fully topped out system AND it
gives you FAR MORE GRAPHICS PROCESSING POWER BANG FOR THE BUCK !!!

Which system would YOU rather buy ???
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Well, starting out, the monitor you listed isn't even close to the Apple one.

Dell =
Contrast Ratio
1300:1

Mac 1,000,000:1


I couldn't find the 'nits' on the Dell, but I'm guessing it is far less than 1000 with 1600 peak....
 
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HarryFilm

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cayenne said:
Well, starting out, the monitor you listed isn't even close to the Apple one.

Dell =
Contrast Ratio
1300:1

Mac 1,000,000:1


I couldn't find the 'nits' on the Dell, but I'm guessing it is far less than 1000 with 1600 peak....
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You have to take APPLE's specs with a grain of salt. That 1,000,000:1 ratio is a DYNAMICALLY produced contrast ratio rather than true TROUGH to PEAK ratio which you need a waveform monitor to see! Sony did the same thing years ago by specifying NOT the SUSTAINED and PEAK (actual) contrast ratios but rather a pixel-by-pixel calculation that miscalculated actual dynamic range, which is WHY we went to Canon's 4K HDR Reference displays. After our $140,000 purchase of three $34,000 Canon Critical Reference monitors later, we noticed that Sony saw the light and went BACK to their original PEAK and SUSTAINED contrast ratio calculations!

You actually NEED a monochromatic and RGB photodiode system to read sections of the ENTIRE display and read out the values in Volts Trough to Peak on various 2D-XY coordinates within checkerboard patterns of greyscale and RGB swatches displayed on screen so that you can get a TRUE dynamic range calculation. When a display is $34,000 EACH --- you BET we did that evaluation!

That Dell is basically similar to many LG displays so goto the LG website to see the actual values but you're probably correct that it won't be as bright and contrasty as the Apple BUT it WILL be 95% of the way there! AND the Dell is higher resolution at full 8K!

Again, for the price, the Apple is WAAAAAY overpriced compared to Windows Hardware! For someone like me who has probably built 200+ PC systems for personal and corporate use in 25 years, i would say GO the for FLEXIBILITY of the Windows System if you know how to put CPU's, GPU's, motherboards and cables in cases, and go for APPLE if you just want an easy user experience with no installation issues right out of the box!

Right now for the money an AMD Threadripper system is probably your BEST BANG for the buck out there!
$2500 will buy you a BEAST of a 4K+ video and 50 megapixel+ stills editing machine! Can't go wrong with that if you can afford to spend a few hours on fixing the usual Windows 10 install issues which almost always popup on new builds. If you can spare 8 hours on one weekend, go for the custom-built Windows 10 system to save 35% to 60% or more on a system that will actually BE FASTER!
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And getting BACK to the Canon 8K, it definitely in a C300 Mk2/3 body style so i suspect it was a matter of adding silent but ACTIVE cooling, faster DIGIC processors and decent SDI connections to get UHD 8K (i.e. 7680 by 4320 pixels at Broadcast TV 16:9 aspect ratio) video using an APS-C (i.e. Super35) 60 fps 4:2:2 sensor BUT the upcoming Canon Cinema EOS C700 upgrade will have a Full Frame DCI 8K (8192 by 4320 at Hollywood Cinema 1.89:1 aspect ratio) 4:4:4 sensor!

Unfortunately for Canon, that will NOT be able to compete with a soon-to-be-released 56 mm x 42 mm 4:3 8K (8192 x 6144 px) Medium Format Global Shutter sensor camera that can do 60 fps at up to 4:4:4 AND up to16 bits per colour channel RAW and Compressed Video AND Stills imaging! It will be TOO LITTLE TOO LATE !!!

Pity! Canon was a good company with good lenses!

Now, Canon about to be obliterated by a 2/3rds inch image sensor super-smartphone system on the low-end camera lines and completely destroyed on the high end by a much cheaper, higher image quality MF combined Video/Stills system!

If you don't give customers what they want and SOMEONE ELSE DOES !!! Guess what happens to your marketshare?
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crazyrunner33

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csibra said:
You said: stills cameras. Still cameras don't need any video capability. No 720, no fullhd, no 4k, nothing.
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Your definition of need is different than most. Outside of the instant print cameras, how many still only cameras are there that actually sell? Even the stills focused Hasselblad shoots 4k.
 
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Quarkcharmed said:
This time I think Harry is right in general. You can get the very same h/w configuration as Apple's much cheaper. I evaluated it several times for my own PCs.
The monitors may be a different story, not sure.
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Glad your happy with a completely different set of components. :) The referenced Hypothetical machine included specific hardware and manufacturers pricing for the components. Harry’s machine listed different, lesser components. If you can build the same machine for less, you should give it a try, though!
 
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HarryFilm said:
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Actual for under $2500 US, you can get an OUTSTANDING 4K Video and 50 megapixel stills editing monster of a Windows 10 machine that will BLOW AWAY almost any other MAC Pro configured system other than .....

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It's all MUCH cheaper than the MAC for what you get!
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Your predisposition for all caps, and propensity for footnotes that include amazon notwithstanding. Please put together a build with the same components and I/o contained in the fictitious apple machine. Let’s see how much you save. A general rule in this industry is that if a component costs less, it’s a lesser component. There are too many experts out there for companies making components to charge 3-4x the cost for a component that delivers less performance as your dream build would indicate. Beyond that, Apple’s ability to build, cool, and make portable it’s system is something your system fails to address.
 
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HarryFilm said:
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You have to take APPLE's specs with a grain of salt. That 1,000,000:1 ratio is a DYNAMICALLY produced contrast ratio rather than true TROUGH to PEAK ratio which you need a waveform monitor to see! Sony did the same thing years ago by specifying NOT the SUSTAINED and PEAK (actual) contrast ratios but rather a pixel-by-pixel calculation that miscalculated actual dynamic range, which is WHY we went to Canon's 4K HDR Reference displays. After our $140,000 purchase of three $34,000 Canon Critical Reference monitors later, we noticed that Sony saw the light and went BACK to their original PEAK and SUSTAINED contrast ratio calculations!

You actually NEED a monochromatic and RGB photodiode system to read sections of the ENTIRE display and read out the values in Volts Trough to Peak on various 2D-XY coordinates within checkerboard patterns of greyscale and RGB swatches displayed on screen so that you can get a TRUE dynamic range calculation. When a display is $34,000 EACH --- you BET we did that evaluation!

That Dell is basically similar to many LG displays so goto the LG website to see the actual values but you're probably correct that it won't be as bright and contrasty as the Apple BUT it WILL be 95% of the way there! AND the Dell is higher resolution at full 8K!

Again, for the price, the Apple is WAAAAAY overpriced compared to Windows Hardware! For someone like me who has probably built 200+ PC systems for personal and corporate use in 25 years, i would say GO the for FLEXIBILITY of the Windows System if you know how to put CPU's, GPU's, motherboards and cables in cases, and go for APPLE if you just want an easy user experience with no installation issues right out of the box!

Right now for the money an AMD Threadripper system is probably your BEST BANG for the buck out there!
$2500 will buy you a BEAST of a 4K+ video and 50 megapixel+ stills editing machine! Can't go wrong with that if you can afford to spend a few hours on fixing the usual Windows 10 install issues which almost always popup on new builds. If you can spare 8 hours on one weekend, go for the custom-built Windows 10 system to save 35% to 60% or more on a system that will actually BE FASTER!
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Again with the monitor.

The Dell you quoted is a 400nit SDR model that uses the same backlight technology as the 10 year old NEC collecting dust next to me. It is not a reference monitor, it is not HDR. It is not XDR (honestly, Apple is asking for it with this one). There is no LCD panel that is capable of achieving a meaningful level of HDR without doing it dynamically. (Via zoned backlighting). While you may see no benefit to what apple’s done in this screen, you somehow admit to spending many times that cost on multiple Canon monitors that apparently weren’t up to snuff. Seems like a person with your knowledge, and frugal nature... wouldn’t have done that. We’ll need to see and measure apple’s new display when it’s available next fall, but your comparing it to this “whole other animal” Dell monitor made me question your entire argument. As did this little nugget...

“it won't be as bright and contrasty as the Apple BUT it WILL be 95% of the way there!”

400 nits is 25% of the way to 1600 nit

1300:1 brightness is .1% of the way to 1,000,000:1

Look, I’m sure the Dell is a fantastic monitor. But it is not a tool with which one can grade and edit HDR video. Apple has developed a machine capable of doing that at a price that is more than competitive, with or without the stand.
 
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crazyrunner33 said:
Your definition of need is different than most. Outside of the instant print cameras, how many still only cameras are there that actually sell? Even the stills focused Hasselblad shoots 4k.
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Yes, you're right. But video capability must not be the selling point of a still camera.
By the way, every analogue film camera what sells today are still only :D
 
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bgoyette said:
Glad your happy with a completely different set of components. :) The referenced Hypothetical machine included specific hardware and manufacturers pricing for the components. Harry’s machine listed different, lesser components. If you can build the same machine for less, you should give it a try, though!
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Number of CPU cores and CPU frequency, CPU cache size, CPU model, bus + memory size and frequency, video card, SSD are most important for image processing, you don't need to have those from the very same manufacturers as in Mac but you can have the same specs or better for less.
 
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bgoyette

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Quarkcharmed said:
Number of CPU cores and CPU frequency, CPU cache size, CPU model, bus + memory size and frequency, video card, SSD are most important for image processing, you don't need to have those from the very same manufacturers as in Mac but you can have the same specs or better for less.
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Sure. Although I don't know how he gets a $19k machine when the RAM alone spec'd in the Verge article is $18k (couldn't find it cheaper). Sure he specs 64gb modules that save him some dough, (but not that much even if he can come up with enough slots to bank the 1.5tb in the verge calculation...but then he goes and specs AMD GPU's that cost a tiny fraction of the just announced, but not priced, AMD Vega II Duo GPU's used as a reference cost. (Those older cards have half the memory and half the bandwidth of the new ones shown in the apple ads). Oh and the Verge article price was for two of the Duo Cards... You see the problem. These aren't the same item. They are lesser components. And less of them. Period.

Regardless, there's a TON of speculation going on in the Verge article, so saying you can build one for less is a fools errand. To go through this exercise when nobody knows what the final specs, hardware, or cost is, is useless, and a home build is not a comparison with any validity. Sure, if you don't include your time, anyone can build a better Mac Pro as long as their desk is big enough to hold all the crap you'll need attached to it. Show me a machine with the same specs from anyone building it for you for profit, with a warranty, and support. And custom aluminum machining. Show me that.
 
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bgoyette said:
Again with the monitor.

The Dell you quoted is a 400nit SDR model that uses the same backlight technology as the 10 year old NEC collecting dust next to me. It is not a reference monitor, it is not HDR. It is not XDR (honestly, Apple is asking for it with this one). There is no LCD panel that is capable of achieving a meaningful level of HDR without doing it dynamically. (Via zoned backlighting). While you may see no benefit to what apple’s done in this screen, you somehow admit to spending many times that cost on multiple Canon monitors that apparently weren’t up to snuff. Seems like a person with your knowledge, and frugal nature... wouldn’t have done that. We’ll need to see and measure apple’s new display when it’s available next fall, but your comparing it to this “whole other animal” Dell monitor made me question your entire argument. As did this little nugget...

“it won't be as bright and contrasty as the Apple BUT it WILL be 95% of the way there!”

400 nits is 25% of the way to 1600 nit

1300:1 brightness is .1% of the way to 1,000,000:1

Look, I’m sure the Dell is a fantastic monitor. But it is not a tool with which one can grade and edit HDR video. Apple has developed a machine capable of doing that at a price that is more than competitive, with or without the stand.
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In terms of actual OVERALL BRIGHTNESS yes the Dell isn't quite there BUT it does have a fairly wide colour gamut compared to others and since it is basically an LG 8K display, I can live with it! The Canon monitors we bought were bought BECAUSE SONY (at the time) did a bit of a runaround by quoting DYNAMICALLY produced contrast ratio when our specific video needs are PEAK and SUSTAINED dynamic range AND adherence to almost the ENTIRE BT.2020 colour space which only the Canon's had at the time.

Like i said earlier, I am NOT the one paying for it! Me personally? Yeah! I would buy the Dell 8K display because NO WAY and NO HOW am I spending $34,000 on JUST ONE SINGLE DISPLAY!!! If I was a millionaire heck yeah! I would buy multiples of those 4K Canon Critical Reference Monitor's in an INSTANT --- I like them MUCH BETTER than the Sony BVM OLED series displays! I can SEE the difference!

BUT for me personally on my own budget? NO WAY! I'm the guy who goes to Visions Electronics Superstore on their Boxing Day sales (December 26) to buy a super-discounted price-leader 4K 10-bit HDR TV to use as my monitor! I DO NOT HAVE $34,000+ to spend on a monitor! The parent company DOES! I don't!

My work machine(s) are quite a bit beyond what is "normal" in terms of even high-end video/stills editing!
i.e. my work, editing/render-farm machine is an actual supercomputer in the $900,000+ range!

i.e. This specific one which is my main render farm computer!
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AMD EPYC Clusters | Microway

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AND....The engineers and specialists have MUCH MUCH LARGER COMPUTER SYSTEMS!

...BUT...

My main home machine is a less-than-$2500 AMD Threadripper system (monitors are extra bought over time!) cuz I LIKE HAVING 32 cores and 64 threads running AT HOME! I got the Threadripper CPU itself at a GREAT price cuz of corporate affiliations otherwise the box itself would have been quite a bit more than $2500!

I can render my home videos in background while I'm playing Counterstrike in the foreground AND have my 10 favourite websites open on the 4th monitor AND still talk with my friends on the webcam at GREAT frame rates!
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bgoyette said:
Glad your happy with a completely different set of components. :) The referenced Hypothetical machine included specific hardware and manufacturers pricing for the components. Harry’s machine listed different, lesser components. If you can build the same machine for less, you should give it a try, though!
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NONE of my components are LESSER in performance than the APPLE except for the display! Of course I chose the 8K resolution DELL because of it's much cheaper price! A top-end AMD EPYC CPU BLOWS AWAY the INTEL XEON in computation power and since I can put in MULTIPLE GPU cards into the system, my GPU rendering power is TWICE that of the Apple!

The AMD Threadripper CPU is actually faster in single-thread performance because of it's GAMING focus, so I suggest MOST end-users go for the 16-core or 32-core AMD Threadripper chips for general 50 megapixel stills and 4K video editing. You pay less and get more for the money with the AMD vs Intel. Only the ULTRA TOP END $10,000 US Intel Xeon bests EPYC 7601's in multi-threading performance BUT for that price I can get TWO EPYCS and run multiple and variable client jobs on their combined 64 cores and 128 threads!

And when the EPYC "Rome" chips come out this summer, you will get 64 cores and 128 threads on SINGLE CHIP! That means 128 cores and 256 threads on a TWO CPU editing superworkstation! WHAT A BEAST of a machine that will be !!!

That AMD Threadripper machine I specified earlier, is MUCH Cheaper than the Top Specced-Out $50k MAC (by $35,000 US!) AND it simply BLOWS IT AWAY in actual and OUTRIGHT playback/editing/rendering performance!!!
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HarryFilm said:
Unfortunately for Canon, that will NOT be able to compete with a soon-to-be-released 56 mm x 42 mm 4:3 8K (8192 x 6144 px) Medium Format Global Shutter sensor camera that can do 60 fps at up to 4:4:4 AND up to16 bits per colour channel RAW and Compressed Video AND Stills imaging! It will be TOO LITTLE TOO LATE !!!
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If such a camera would ever be released than we are entering a new era. I had many discussions with my colleagues wondering why nobody is bringing out such a camera. As much as I hope for it, and that would be my absolute dream camera, this is not going to happen. It's not even going to happen with FF (24mmx36mm) any soon. The current top FF MF sensors are 40mm x 54mm and you're talking about 42mm x 56mm, including Global Shutter? The camera you're suggesting would need to have a form factor similar to a medium stills camera like the Hasselblad V1D concept, but with included pro cinema level Video functionality. Well, maybe in 10 years. We can always dream...
 
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HarryFilm

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bgoyette said:
Sure. Although I don't know how he gets a $19k machine when the RAM alone spec'd in the Verge article is $18k (couldn't find it cheaper). Sure he specs 64gb modules that save him some dough, (but not that much even if he can come up with enough slots to bank the 1.5tb in the verge calculation...but then he goes and specs AMD GPU's that cost a tiny fraction of the just announced, but not priced, AMD Vega II Duo GPU's used as a reference cost. (Those older cards have half the memory and half the bandwidth of the new ones shown in the apple ads). Oh and the Verge article price was for two of the Duo Cards... You see the problem. These aren't the same item. They are lesser components. And less of them. Period.

Regardless, there's a TON of speculation going on in the Verge article, so saying you can build one for less is a fools errand. To go through this exercise when nobody knows what the final specs, hardware, or cost is, is useless, and a home build is not a comparison with any validity. Sure, if you don't include your time, anyone can build a better Mac Pro as long as their desk is big enough to hold all the crap you'll need attached to it. Show me a machine with the same specs from anyone building it for you for profit, with a warranty, and support. And custom aluminum machining. Show me that.
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I don't put 1.5 Terabytes of RAM in the system as I specced only 256 Gigabytes because that's all the AMD Threadripper motherboard supports. 256 Gigabytes of System RAM, 16 Terabytes of INTERNAL SSD storage and 64 Terabytes of External storage SHOULD allow you to edit 4k AND 8k video in realtime!

If you want MORE THAN TWO TERABYTES of system ram, then you have to go with Supermicro or Tyan EPYC server-class motherboards and EPYC 7601 or the newer EPYC ROME cpus which can support up to EIGHT TERABYTES with two cpus.

My MAIN criteria was can it playback, edit and render 8k video in realtime? YES this system DEFINITELY does do that at $35,000 cheaper. I specced the older AMD GPU's because they are actually available for purchase online BUT in August when the NEWER Vega-2's come out you can upgrade for a mere $5000 to $10000 more which is STILL $20,000+ U.S. cheaper than the MAC!
 
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Hernan said:
If such a camera would ever be released than we are entering a new era. I had many discussions with my colleagues wondering why nobody is bringing out such a camera. As much as I hope for it, and that would be my absolute dream camera, this is not going to happen. It's not even going to happen with FF (24mmx36mm) any soon. The current top FF MF sensors are 40mm x 54mm and you're talking about 42mm x 56mm, including Global Shutter? The camera you're suggesting would need to have a form factor similar to a medium stills camera like the Hasselblad V1D concept, but with included pro cinema level Video functionality. Well, maybe in 10 years. We can always dream...
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It's sitting on my desk at this moment ....
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