What’s next for the Canon EOS R system and the rest of the lineup?

FramerMCB

Canon 40D & 7D
Sep 9, 2014
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40
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Canon has traditionally reserved that focal length for Macro in both L and non-L versions. I have both the 85L 1.4 and still amazing 135L. You’ll have to settle for one. Otherwise it’s 2.8 at 100 with macro. But I tell ya, I love this new 85. And it’s not that much shorter than a 100. What are you trying to shoot? Can’t take one step closer? View attachment 183143
Canon is still making (I think) and selling the 100mm f2.0 USM EF lens. It's available on the CanonUSA website and most major retailers still have it listed.
 
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FramerMCB

Canon 40D & 7D
Sep 9, 2014
330
40
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This is slightly off-topic - it concerns the new EOS RP: Jared Polin (mildly annoying at times but generally for the sake of trying to be funny) at froknowsphoto.com has a ~30 minute video PREVIEW (not a review) - on YOUTUBE - of the new RP. It's a fairly in-depth preview. And he mentions that at some point in the near future he will do a complete hands-on review.
Of which I'm sure that Bryan C (at <thedigitalpicture.com> ) and Dustin Abbott (dustinabbott.com) will both be doing as well as many others (Mr. Rockwell, the Northrupps, including the folks over at DPReview).
 

bhf3737

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Sep 9, 2015
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Calgary, Canada
www.flickr.com
I saw someone mention the Sigma, and I’ll never buy a Sigma ever again, but I saw Otus 100 f1.4 mentioned and that tickles me toes :p I’ve owned the Zeiss 100 f2 mp previously and it’s my favorite portrait lens of all times, epic epic lens...
Personal experience with Sigma 35mm on 5DSR was not that pleasant and focus was consistently inconsistent! However, Sigma 20mm on EOS-R is totally different experience. It seems that later Sigma lenses on Canon mirrorless bodies perform quite well and features such as profile based correction and in camera vignetting removal work fine. I haven't tried Sigma's zoom or longer lenses, though.
 
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padam

EOS 7D MK II
Aug 26, 2015
506
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I would not be the slightest bit surprised if Canon did an RF update of their 8-15mm f4.0L UWA Fisheye for the RF. Or a just a straight 10-15mm f4.0L rectilinear lens UWA (non-fisheye). And perhaps some amalgamated version of the 10-22mm EF & 10-18 EF-S (a more budget minded UWA than any L lens but still a decent performer.
If they asked a few people about either doing a 10-24/4 or 11-24/2.8 in RF mount, then it seems like it will be something close to one of them. Cheap stuff is really not the main priority, unless it is something small like a 50/1.8 IS for the RP, and there will be a pancake lens somewhere down the line as well.

The EF fisheye zoom is small and light, seems perfectly fine for now as-is, especially now, since it even works perfectly with an ND or a CPL drop-in filter as well.
 

Viggo

EOS 5D SR
Dec 13, 2010
3,837
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Personal experience with Sigma 35mm on 5DSR was not that pleasant and focus was consistently inconsistent! However, Sigma 20mm on EOS-R is totally different experience. It seems that later Sigma lenses on Canon mirrorless bodies perform quite well and features such as profile based correction and in camera vignetting removal work fine. I haven't tried Sigma's zoom or longer lenses, though.
Yeah, it’s close to impossible for lenses to be inconsistent with sensor based AF. And people can buy all the Sigma lenses in the world if they like. I’m just saying that for me, they are not even an option if they were the only option.
 

degos

EOS 80D
Mar 20, 2015
135
69
Canon is all-in on full frame cameras due to their higher margins than APS-C sensor cameras
There you have it, lower yields per wafer but higher margins per body. Anyone working to a budget can just get lost in Canon's New Full Frame World.

Do people still really think that Canon is cutting the margin paper-thin on a $1299 RP? They could probably knock a few hundred dollars off that and still be making money. But that would adversely affect the 'de luxe' image of full-frame and lead to downwards price-pressure on other models.
 

Woody

EOS 6D MK II
Jul 20, 2010
1,117
28
I'll like to see Canon release a f/4 trinity for the R-mount: 16-35 f/4, 24-70 f/4 and 70-200 f/4. But make the trinity lighter than what the competition can do....
 
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efmshark

EOS M50
Jan 19, 2018
31
14
There you have it, lower yields per wafer but higher margins per body. Anyone working to a budget can just get lost in Canon's New Full Frame World.

Do people still really think that Canon is cutting the margin paper-thin on a $1299 RP? They could probably knock a few hundred dollars off that and still be making money. But that would adversely affect the 'de luxe' image of full-frame and lead to downwards price-pressure on other models.
Full frame sensors don't really require cutting edge silicon technology in terms of features sizes (transistor gate width and metal pitch), so Canon and others can use a few generation older CMOS processes running on possibly fully depreciated fabs or production lines, with very mature yields. The yield on a sensor can be relatively high if very conservative design rules are followed. Cost of a processed 8" wafer in a mature process can be as low as $1500 at high enough volume, and assuming a reasonable yield, it should be possible to get 20-25 good full frame sensors per 8" wafer. This puts the manufacturing cost of a full frame sensor around $60-$75, which should allow Canon to get a good margin on RP (or Sony to get a good margin on A7 ii even when selling it at $1000).

I wouldn't be surprised if Canon is selling RP for $999 by Xmas 2019
 
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Chuckmet

I'm New Here
Jan 18, 2019
22
11
The camera line hasn't even been on sale 3 months yet... 10 lenses and 2 cameras in a year is basically a new product a month or so. That's a respectable speed.
How many of those 10 lenses are still in mock-up stages?, I was excited when I heard about the 8 new lenses to be announced but damn!!
 
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They have stated that (for now) "if you are an existing user, we would like you to buy these mirrorless cameras as an addition to your existing system, not a replacement" (of course, it stills works perfectly as a replacement for some uses).
Either moving up to the promised higher-end models or waiting for the more serious next generation should work.
yes they are like RP.......6D...R..5D
 

nonac

EOS RP
Apr 19, 2012
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0
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Missouri
martybeckphotography.com
I think we will learn a lot more about a pro body after the 2020 Olympics. I have no plans to replace any bodies prior to then. I would like the new 400mm f2.8L III, but I don't even know what to do there. Will there be an R version of this lens in 2-3 years???? Who knows.
 

masterpix

EOS M50
Jun 29, 2016
49
16
Beyond that, we’ve heard nothing worth reporting about an EOS 7D Mark III or an EOS 90D.

I think i'll have to switch to Nikon :-( :-(
Sorry, but such "threats" amuses me. Once in the old film days, you could buy a "adapter ring" and use different brands of lenses mounts on the same camera mount, but today you can't do that anymore, and once you want to "switch" you will also need to buy a whole set of lenses. So once you have bough enough lenses of one brand, "shift" is more than just "I am upset with them not to do as I like them to", it is a lot of glass you need to replace, and that is extremely expensive. My 7D (almost 10 years old now) is working perfectly and it does not look like I am going to replace it soon (thought I'd like FF body for the noise reduction at high ISO). I also like to see 7DIII coming soon, but I am not a Canon share holder, not one of their executives who need to think about sales and profit. Canon will do, as any other company, what is best for Canon (or Nikon, or Sony, or any other) future, and if they think that abandoning the DSLR is their future, so that is a fact I will have to live with, though I am not sure we will see a drop in the price of the 5D soon...
 

masterpix

EOS M50
Jun 29, 2016
49
16
EOS R sensor is very nice. Or out of price range?
Most people don't make large prints, nor make heavy crops, they post pictures on the internet, make A4/letter size albums from their trips, so why one really need something more than 20MP sensor? 6.3 was the "breaker" for 10X15 prints, above that resolution you don't see any difference between 6MP to 100MP picture. 24MP does the same to 20X30, how many of the "disjointed in the 26.2MP sensor" ever print in that size?
 

masterpix

EOS M50
Jun 29, 2016
49
16
well, just give me more FPS in Servo Mode on the R - other than that i LOVE it. I just did some testing with my 100 f2.8 IS L on the EOS-R and really it blew me away. My dog wasn't really fast running (just normal walked towards me), i used the R in Av mode, Auto ISO , longest shutter time set to Auto (+2) and AF mode to single with sourroundig 4 or environment (surrounding 9) . I would not normally consider this lens a action lens and i tested it just because i'm gonna test all my EF lenses on the R over time. In fact on my DSLR's i had to do some tough AF adjustements for this lens (using focal) and never was 100% satisfied. The image is the last (before he was too close to me) from a series and i really like the sharpness. It's f2.8 and 1/640s. Shot in raw and exported to jpeg with 2048 px - no idea how this looks here after posting.
View attachment 183146
it looks wonderful!
 

bf

EOS RP
Jul 30, 2014
239
8
I think more RF lenses will show up. Hopefully the RF100-400 at a good peice point.
A pro level body?
What I want is a range finder FF body with no view finder and tilting display. The EOSM6 of tbe R line!
 

Pape

EOS 80D
Dec 31, 2018
149
44
300m-600m f8 or prime 600mm f8 would be totally new kind of one :)
and no need be more expensive than 100-400