What’s next from Canon?

Punio

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In Canon's interview with Image Resource it was clear that when the Canon execs referred to Pro they were talking about a 1DX mirrorless equivalent. I wouldn't say every camera is pro if you can make money from it. Pro features today relate to features and weather sealing. Anything below the 5D are still consumer based features.

Back on topic though, what are the chances of a EOS R2? I am going back and forward on whether to wait for the next 'Pro' mirrorless or pull the trigger on the EOS R, when I need a 5D type camera.
 

CanonFanBoy

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70 135 f/2 would be very nice including 10 sessions in a fitness studio (2kg +)
I would be satisfied with a 100mm macro with f/2 resolving my dilemma with two lenses (2.8 macro + 2.0 100mm).
Add an RF 50 f/2 macro and this would maybe my preferred setup if I will ever switch to FF.
I'd be fine with the weight. Maybe a 100-135 f/2. It's anybody's guess right now.
 

Travel_Photographer

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It would a be a useful thing to stop using the term "pro" to refer to cameras. It is a misleading and incomplete term that tells us little about the equipment and, if anything, only a little about how it is positioned in the market.

The 5Ds/5DsR replacement camera is a great example. A high MP full-frame camera is, in fact, the thing that "pros" who need those qualities from a Canon system will choose, just as they do with the 5DsR.
I agree entirely. "Pro" is a vague term, as evidenced by the wide variety of opinions in this thread alone.

For the "physical" specs, I'd much rather hear about the camera in measurable / tangible terms such as metal vs plastic mounts, material the body is made of, weather sealing, etc. That at least has an indisputable meaning.

Personally, I still consider any camera capable of consistently producing high-quality images that can be used for a variety of commercial (i.e. money-making) purposes to be a professional camera. That's just my opinion. If someone needs a specific level of ruggedness or weather-sealing so be it, but I don't think that's the primary measure of a camera's worth in the "professional" world.
 

amorse

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The market always wins. Eventually lenses or bodies that are priced at more than the market will bear will see their prices drop. Right now you are seeing "early adopter" pricing.
I do wonder about early adopter pricing - I'm of two minds on that.

On the one hand, I believe the RF 85mm f/1.2 is launch priced nearly identically to the EF 85mm 1.2L II once inflation adjusted, so while it is a lot of money, it isn't really out of historical character for Canon. For lenses that haven't existed prior to the RF mount, that is a tougher question - I'm sure they'll come down eventually, but by how much? Canon seems to try and avoid dropping prices on specialist equipment - i.e. the 5Ds/sR didn't really move much in terms of pricing until relatively recently. I wonder if, for instance, the 28-70 f/2 will get the same treatment.

Also, I wonder how the market is shifting - it seems like we've heard a lot about compact camera and lower-end product sales drying up, and I could have sworn several manufactures have suggested that they'll concentrate a bit more on the higher end of the market. To me I wonder if that means we'll see some more separation in pricing at the higher end of the market - i.e. a lower entry price point for full frame, but higher top end prices for what are considered "premium" products. Part of me thinks we get a bunch of cheaper lenses and bodies in the full frame realm, but the "flagship products" end up going up in price. In other words, I wonder if those halo lenses stay really expensive to maintain their status, and instead we get some f/4s at lower price points for the rest of us.
 

mpb001

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In Canon's interview with Image Resource it was clear that when the Canon execs referred to Pro they were talking about a 1DX mirrorless equivalent. I wouldn't say every camera is pro if you can make money from it. Pro features today relate to features and weather sealing. Anything below the 5D are still consumer based features.

Back on topic though, what are the chances of a EOS R2? I am going back and forward on whether to wait for the next 'Pro' mirrorless or pull the trigger on the EOS R, when I need a 5D type camera.
I had been considering an R or even an RP as a backup to my 5DIV, but I have been thinking that at this point why settle to the older sensors in these cameras. Ive decided to wait for the next iteration with newer sensors and likley IBIS at least in an R2 type model. Im sure that the high MP model will most likely have IBIS to work well with the newer non IS RF lenses. I just don’t really want a 60-80 MP or whatever it may be R body. The R2 will probably have a 32-36MP sensor, which would work for me.
 

Punio

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I had been considering an R or even an RP as a backup to my 5DIV, but I have been thinking that at this point why settle to the older sensors in these cameras. Ive decided to wait for the next iteration with newer sensors and likley IBIS at least in an R2 type model. Im sure that the high MP model will most likely have IBIS to work well with the newer non IS RF lenses. I just don’t really want a 60-80 MP or whatever it may be R body. The R2 will probably have a 32-36MP sensor, which would work for me.
Those are my thoughts too, an EOS R2 or EOS 5DR would suit me, but not a 80mp niche body. Unfortunately I am now without a main camera so I may look at the EOS R on black friday deals or a second hand version to tide me over until the next iteration arrives. But knowing my luck they silent release a Pro R at the same time.
 
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SteveC

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Okay. Well, obviously you should never believe anyone who pretends to know what Canon's plans, strategies and rationales are. There are far too many people on this forum who love to make false claims about Canon's perspective on their own products.
Precisely.

The only definition of professional camera that means anything is a camera used by someone who is a professional. Since that can be any camera (including iPhones), arbitrary designations like "professional camera" are really sort of silly.
And then you get to define what a "professional" is!

One definition is anyone who has ever made money, ever, at the activity. Well, I've grossed 15 dollars, and it was even to two totally different people. Does that make me a professional?

I rather think a more useful concept would be "someone who makes a living at it" which certainly wouldn't be me.

In my sig I state that I don't want to be an amateur forever; what I mean by that is that I want the quality of my output to be on a par with those who make a living at it; not that I want to change careers.
 
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I don't understand why the 7d2 is not considered 'professional' . So what if it has a crop sensor. Everything else about it is absolutely top shelf and it is a camera regularly used by professional photographers. Makes no sense really
As far as I know, 1Dx, 5D and 7D are considered pro cameras!
 

SecureGSM

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I'm not picking an argument with you, just making a statement. There is nothing wrong with overkill, might not be for everyone but if you only want 1 camera to do it all then a high MP camera can. You just have to be willing to carry the overhead of more HD capacity. As far as shutter speed is concerned what's the problem? Here are 2 shots from this morning that were shot hand held. The first is 1/6 sec at 6400 ISO through my kitchen window, the second 1/60 sec at 500 ISO, both with the 5DsR and 24-70 F4. I couldn't do any better with my 5D MK II 21 MP. I don't have a problem with shutter speed. Exactly! The last is a 100% crop. My 5D MK II couldn't do that nearly as well. Just saying................View attachment 187473

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Your use case is not a typical run and gun scenario. You cannot shoot people at 1/5 of a second. You run and gun with a pair of cameras typically.
event shooters do not run and gun with high res rigs typically. There are exceptions.
 
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Those are my thoughts too, an EOS R2 or EOS 5DR would suit me, but not a 80mp niche body. Unfortunately I am now without a main camera so I may look at the EOS R on black friday deals or a second hand version to tide me over until the next iteration arrives. But knowing my luck they silent release a Pro R at the same time.
My situation exactly. Come Spring I'm gonna need a ff ml body. Having sold my 5D4 for ergonomic reasons, it's been killing me to have an M50 as my only camera.
 

SecureGSM

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Thanks!
But my comment was more for the mirrorless crowd who does not consider the R as a pro body, but compared to the 5D IV, which is a pro body, it has more similarities than differences. IQ, MP, (LV) FPS, video etc.
You comment is: why R is not considered a Pro body? Answer: you can cram as much cool
Features as you like in a camera but if the camera is not weather resistant enough or not rugged enough, it won’t survive a commercial environment.
 
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Punio

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You comment is: why R is not considered a Pro body? Answer: you can cram as much cool
Features as you like in a camera but if the camera is not weather resistant enough or not rugged enough, it won’t survive a commercial environment.
I would also add as I mentioned earlier. The Canon execs in their interview specifically said they are yet to put out a Pro mirrorless body.
 

cellomaster27

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In Canon's interview with Image Resource it was clear that when the Canon execs referred to Pro they were talking about a 1DX mirrorless equivalent. I wouldn't say every camera is pro if you can make money from it. Pro features today relate to features and weather sealing. Anything below the 5D are still consumer based features.

Back on topic though, what are the chances of a EOS R2? I am going back and forward on whether to wait for the next 'Pro' mirrorless or pull the trigger on the EOS R, when I need a 5D type camera.
Coming from a 5D3 (pro body), the EOS R is a great camera. I probably won't be so careless with the R as I have been with the 5D3. But I'm sure that the weather sealing is just fine. With the 5D3, I was so abusive.. in the dirt and mud, then washing it off under the sink.. in the ice and snow for 4-5 hours - literally in the snow on my stomach.. in 110F desert of Arizona.. under a typhoon in Japan for a few hours.. time lapsing in sub freezing temps for hours.. surf spray in the winter in Iceland. Still working perfectly fine!
Just think of the images that you can get though!! The R is leaps better than the mark 3 imho. Think of the now instead of the future, because photos are to take with a camera that you have. I am bothered a bit from not having redundant cards and a "less" weather sealed camera but I would still trust my camera to get just about what I did with my 5D3. :p
 

Travel_Photographer

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Coming from a 5D3 (pro body), the EOS R is a great camera. I probably won't be so careless with the R as I have been with the 5D3. But I'm sure that the weather sealing is just fine. With the 5D3, I was so abusive.. in the dirt and mud, then washing it off under the sink.. in the ice and snow for 4-5 hours - literally in the snow on my stomach.. in 110F desert of Arizona.. under a typhoon in Japan for a few hours.. time lapsing in sub freezing temps for hours.. surf spray in the winter in Iceland. Still working perfectly fine!
Just think of the images that you can get though!! The R is leaps better than the mark 3 imho. Think of the now instead of the future, because photos are to take with a camera that you have. I am bothered a bit from not having redundant cards and a "less" weather sealed camera but I would still trust my camera to get just about what I did with my 5D3. :p
Exactly.

Also, on the Canon Professional Services site, devoted specifically to cameras and equipment that *they* deem to be used in a professional manner and thus are covered under the specialized CPS repair plan, the Canon R is one of the cameras. As a matter of fact, in "qualifying points" which is what you need to gain CPS repair status, the EOS R ranks higher than the 5D Mark III. I'd find it hard to argue that Canon doesn't consider the R one of their cameras that is used in a professional setting.


ps. I don't own an R, just pointing our the relevant info

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CanonFanBoy

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Coming from a 5D3 (pro body), the EOS R is a great camera. I probably won't be so careless with the R as I have been with the 5D3. But I'm sure that the weather sealing is just fine. With the 5D3, I was so abusive.. in the dirt and mud, then washing it off under the sink.. in the ice and snow for 4-5 hours - literally in the snow on my stomach.. in 110F desert of Arizona.. under a typhoon in Japan for a few hours.. time lapsing in sub freezing temps for hours.. surf spray in the winter in Iceland. Still working perfectly fine!
Just think of the images that you can get though!! The R is leaps better than the mark 3 imho. Think of the now instead of the future, because photos are to take with a camera that you have. I am bothered a bit from not having redundant cards and a "less" weather sealed camera but I would still trust my camera to get just about what I did with my 5D3. :p
Somebody else from another thread posted this. Foof for thought:
 
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