What’s next from Canon?

Keith_Reeder

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Keith, what are your observations in relation to optimal shutter speed requirements for shooting stationary subjects with 90D?
I shoot with two 5D IV bodies. I found that my sweet spot is around 1/FLx1.5.
I do not shoot people slower than1/60 no matter what even at a UW angles.
Thank you.

e.g. T= 1/125s for FL=85mm IS =OFF, handheld.
I'll be honest and say I've got no real science behind my preferences. Because I shoot hand-held with long lenses (typically the 500mm f/4 with a 1.4x on my 1D x; or lately, the 100-400mm with a 1.4x on my M6 Mk II), I simply aim for as high a shutter speed as I can achieve that will deal with whatever behaviour I can expect of the subject matter.

"Stationary" objects for me are calm birds or other wildlife, so I need to cover off the prospect of them suddenly becoming not stationary.

I'm rarely below 1/800 then (which is less than the 1/FL x 1.5 rule) - that's where my M6 Mk II has been since I got it, even for the rugby game I shot with it - but I'm north of 1/1000 if I'm shooting subjects I know will be active. And this is as much to back up the IS in the lenses as it is any overt need to capture movement: good as the stabilisation is, I appreciate the comfort-blanket of a fast shutter speed, especially given how windy my part of the world tends to be.

Not much help to your described scenario, sorry!
 
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Keith_Reeder

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5Ds noise levels are competitive with other FF cameras even today. It's a myth that higher pixel density leads to higher noise.
Y'know, tired as I am of reading that more pixels = more noise, I suspect I'll miss seeing it when the penny finally drops - disagreeing with the notion has been a significant part of my online life for more than ten years!

;)
 

Keith_Reeder

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As an example, I recently made a simple request of two very regular posters who highly recommend a particular piece of software to post a simple before and after example of the results they are getting and are so impressed with. Neither have.
And as I made very clear to you at the time, I will when the software supports the camera I'm currently using. Although your continued snide banging-on about it is really starting to wear thin...

Besides - to follow the gist of the point you're making - I have before now posted high ISO examples of Photo Ninja's output in the context of demonstrating its value to me at high ISOs: you're not the only one who believes in backing up what he writes with examples.
 
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Jack Douglas

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It's all well and good to provide examples; I wish there were more, but in many cases there are so many variables that not that much is accomplished. In the end all we really have is opinions and we must weigh the opinions against the degree of respect the person stating them has garnered with us. So, each of us, with our biases, read what's posted and agree or disagree and hopefully in the process learn a little... and hopefully get a chuckle now and then. :)

Jack
 
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It kinda boggles my mind that people want as much as 80MP to be honest...

I'm curious to see what they do with this new R camera, specifically as a 5DS/R owner. I'd honestly put speed and high ISO performance above more MP as far as improvements I'd like to see. But, I love the OOC color science out of the 5DSR. There's just a vibrancy to its images that the newer cameras in my experience cannot quite match, at least not without a good bit of PP. This includes the 5D4, M6 and now the RP. I'm not getting my hopes up that the "classic look" will make a return.
I cannot say I don't understand you. I still use a 5DIII, the files are quick to load + process. But I feelI could have cleaner images in Low ISO and a better AF in low light while also adding a higher resolution.

Let's say I have an 83MP sensor, why should all the pics be 83MP? that's why Canon created MRAW and SRAW. If you can get MRAW at 41MP and SRAW at 20.5 with a cleaner ISO and higher fps...Why would you complain about having that flexibility?
 

privatebydesign

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Scott, I could swear you were once debating with us that "I'm also very used to the various 1 series niceties like AF point linked spot metering" was marginally pointless?? ;)

Jack
It does, in my opinion, have very limited value and is prone to getting unhelpful exposures unless you are quick to adjust exposure and really understand what metering is doing and what it is trying to give you. My comments in previous threads were pointing to the fact that I believe putting that feature in all cameras would end up creating more mossed shots and unhappiness at the camera than making shots.

But I concede I might well be wrong...
 
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sanj

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It does, in my opinion, have very limited value and is prone to getting unhelpful exposures unless you are quick to adjust exposure and really understand what metering is doing and what it is trying to give you. My comments in previous threads were pointing to the fact that I believe putting that feature in all cameras would end up creating more mossed shots and unhappiness at the camera than making shots.

But I concede I might well be wrong...
Auto exposure connected to the focus point is a BRILLIANT feature. :) I switch to manual when I do not want this feature.
 

Memirsbrunnr

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Well, the high Rez mirrorless body is what a bunch of us here have been waiting for.

so, that body, and three fast zooms will all that I would need for most things, plus a high quality 100mm, or so, macro. My daughter seems to have misplaced the 100mm EF.
"daughters eh?"
 

SecureGSM

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I cannot say I don't understand you. I still use a 5DIII, the files are quick to load + process. But I feelI could have cleaner images in Low ISO and a better AF in low light while also adding a higher resolution.

Let's say I have an 83MP sensor, why should all the pics be 83MP? that's why Canon created MRAW and SRAW. If you can get MRAW at 41MP and SRAW at 20.5 with a cleaner ISO and higher fps...Why would you complain about having that flexibility?
It depends on how lossless that mRAW and sRAW options are.... free cheese?
 
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dtaylor

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Y'know, tired as I am of reading that more pixels = more noise, I suspect I'll miss seeing it when the penny finally drops - disagreeing with the notion has been a significant part of my online life for more than ten years!
Keith, I'm going to be bored to tears when that day comes :LOL:
 

koenkooi

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Auto exposure connected to the focus point is a BRILLIANT feature. :) I switch to manual when I do not want this feature.
There's a huge difference between "exposure weighted towards focus point" and "focus point linked spot metering". I'm very happy with the weighting my RP assigns to the focus point, I'm not sure if proper spot metering would improve things.

And yes, it's a brilliant feature. I attended a nature workshop last weekend and during the instruction about shooting backlit animals the instructor remarked that on my RP I don't need to fight the camera metering as much as the crop DSLR users :)
 

Jack Douglas

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There's a huge difference between "exposure weighted towards focus point" and "focus point linked spot metering". I'm very happy with the weighting my RP assigns to the focus point, I'm not sure if proper spot metering would improve things.

And yes, it's a brilliant feature. I attended a nature workshop last weekend and during the instruction about shooting backlit animals the instructor remarked that on my RP I don't need to fight the camera metering as much as the crop DSLR users :)
The spot metered by the 1DX2 is small and for bird photography with auto ISO I find it works very well. It is also handy as a spot meter when manually setting exposure.

Jack
 
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canonmike

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Given the large decline in camera sales this yr, across all brands, including both DSLRs and Mirrorless total unit sales, it's somewhat surprising that Canon, Nikon, etc., continue to crank out all these new products. I, for one, am especially grateful that Canon continues to develop and market all these new RF lenses, as we also eagerly wait for the next gen R bodies to come to market, enhancing our ability to take full advantage of the aforementioned. Shortly, the big box camera stores will parade their Black Fri sales and inundate our email boxes with their promos. Should be some great sales going on shortly, especially on the DLSR bodies. Last yr, I picked up a 6d Mark ii body, a free Canon grip and accident and spills warranty for what I considered a bargain price of only $1099.00. Who knows what we'll see with this yr's sale promos across both DSLR and Mirrorless lines. Can't wait for those bargains, as we've already seen price drops prior to Black Fri sales. Just hope I've saved up enough money to take advantage of them.
 
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By the time Canon launches a mirrorless pro body, we are either all retired, or all using Sony. My oh my, Canon is slow these days.. it seems they cannot keep up with other brands that are in te mirrorless market. Just give us a mirrorless pro body, NOW!
 

Kit.

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By the time Canon launches a mirrorless pro body, we are either all retired, or all using Sony. My oh my, Canon is slow these days.. it seems they cannot keep up with other brands that are in te mirrorless market. Just give us a mirrorless pro body, NOW!
What are all those "other brands" with "mirrorless pro bodies" you are talking about? A "pro" wannabe from Sony (A9II) and...?
 
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Michael Clark

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What's that supposed to mean? It can't be a proper 5DS replacement without being a pro camera, or does it? I understood those terms to mean that the camera has two card slots and a bit better weather sealing than the R. Maybe an upgraded viewfinder.

With over a year of additional development time and a price tag above the R, I would have considered these a given.

What is the high res R expected to be missing?
It doesn't really say the high megapixel camera won't be "pro grade", but it won't be an "all purpose" pro camera, either, in the same way that the 5D Mark III and 5D Mark IV are general purpose "pro" bodies compared to the 5Ds/5Ds R that are less general purpose and more "specialized high resolution" bodies.
 

Michael Clark

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And yet it will still have superior resolution, and greater cropping potential, to lower MP bodies under the same conditions. Which is all that potential buyers will be interested in.
Of course they will, because only potential buyers who want a very high MP camera and are willing to sacrifice handling speed will be interested in it.

Those who want a more balanced, general purpose pro body to replace their 5D Mark IV will not be interested in it.
 
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Michael Clark

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Ive got an interesting story as to why im possibly very interested in the high mp canon eos r camera.


over the past two years i felt a bit let down by canon for not supporting the "low budged" wildlife community as much as wished for. I had really hoped for the 7d iii and when the rumors about no 7d iii and only a 90d showed up i was very disappointed.
Then i saw sony announcing and releasing the 200-600 and the a7r iv, which seemed to me like everything i had whished for in a portable wildlife setup, so i bought the camera.

But for the last two months i only had problems with the sony setup. my plan was to use my sigma 150-600 sport with canon mount on a sigma mc11 adapter until i could save enough money to buy the sony 200-600. With the adapted lens i had a big backfocus at 600mm and couldnt really use it. So i speed up my saving and quickly bough the 200-600 but i had the same backfocus on that too, so i sent it back.
I then tested my sony a7r iv with a completly different 200-600 at my dealer and again the backfocus. My dealer then exchanged it against a new a7r iv... but still the same backfocus.
I even sent in bouth of my sony a7r iv for repair but they said they cant do anything about it (only sent in the body, not the lens).

Now im visiting my dad and checked out the camera store near his city and tried out their a7r iv and 200-600 they had... again a backfocus.

I dont know why noone so far has talked about this problem. Maybe they dont pixelpeep enough.
Well ... at this point it seems to me like sony is really a huge let down for me.

So i look forward to that canon, but im afraid it probably wont focus well enough for wildlife, what do you guys think?
What is your testing methodology?