https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXB4DSgBLbg
https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/new-cipa-camera-shipment-reports-sales-still-lame/
https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/new-cipa-camera-shipment-reports-sales-still-lame/
mikekx102 said:Wow. That's such a huge shift for an entire industry! I had a feeling the fixed lens cameras would be taking a hit but didn't know the extent.
I hope Canon can avoid the cuts to R&D and still continue to produce awesome lenses into the future. There's a few L lenses that I'd like them to update
Mike.
Until this month I havent done recreational photography since March 2016.hne said:If the phones were way larger such that you kept it in a bag/backpack and your camera could send images directly to your friends/nas/dropbox/printer, would you still take photos with your phone?
Not sure I agree with this. Yes it is true that mobile phone cameras have largely replaced compact cameras for casual photography, but enthusiasts and professional photographers have always been willing to carry around a large camera and several lenses so why would that change now?hne said:What happened to the photography industry in 2016?
Innovation in 2007-2008 and feature maturity around 2012.
What we are looking at is the dwindling sales of an arcane product to a diminishing loyal customer base (and a very low number of people that make a living off of them, or bizarre hobbyists, much like the vinyl collectors).
If the phone cameras had a little bit of zoom, say a 24-70/4 equivalent, and a way to trigger external flashes, what would you still use a large clunky camera for? Bird in flight and... some sports perhaps?
If the phones were way larger such that you kept it in a bag/backpack and your camera could send images directly to your friends/nas/dropbox/printer, would you still take photos with your phone?
hne said:...What we are looking at is the dwindling sales of an arcane product to a diminishing loyal customer base (and a very low number of people that make a living off of them, or bizarre hobbyists, much like the vinyl collectors)...
You make it sound like nobody but the strangest people use dedicated cameras instead of smartphones anymore. Or at least that's how I read that.hne said:What we are looking at is the dwindling sales of an arcane product to a diminishing loyal customer base (and a very low number of people that make a living off of them, or bizarre hobbyists, much like the vinyl collectors).
dolina said:If the brands are smart they would reduce the number of SKUs to increase production.
It is insane how many SLRs, mirrorless and point & shoots SKUs there are. You would think it was Samsung selling smartphones with the sheer diversity.
The video predicts that SLRs and mirrorless will sell more cameras than point & shoots by the end o 2017.
Canon could make do with one SX, one G and ELPH for the point & shoots instead of the 17.
hne said:If the phone cameras had a little bit of zoom, say a 24-70/4 equivalent, and a way to trigger external flashes, what would you still use a large clunky camera for? Bird in flight and... some sports perhaps?
If the phones were way larger such that you kept it in a bag/backpack and your camera could send images directly to your friends/nas/dropbox/printer, would you still take photos with your phone?
dolina said:Until this month I havent done recreational photography since March 2016.hne said:If the phones were way larger such that you kept it in a bag/backpack and your camera could send images directly to your friends/nas/dropbox/printer, would you still take photos with your phone?
I relied on my smartphone 99%
The best camera you can ever own is the one with you always.
scyrene said:You assert that fewer lines is better business, but what evidence do you have for that?
I dislike this aphorism for various reasons, but mostly because actually there are lots of things that can't be photographed by most cameras - so for instance I wanted to photograph one scene today (only had my phone) and the DR was too great; and another thing I wanted to photograph was too small and far away, and the focal length/digital zoom was far too little. If you have a camera on you that is incapable of getting the shot you want, it's as useless as having nothing at all (which is a good reason why there will always be a niche for *some* dedicated photographic equipment - even as mobile phone cameras get better, they will still have to be generalist, and cheap, so they cannot absorb all the camera market).
hne said:What happened to the photography industry in 2016?
Innovation in 2007-2008 and feature maturity around 2012.
What we are looking at is the dwindling sales of an arcane product to a diminishing loyal customer base (and a very low number of people that make a living off of them, or bizarre hobbyists, much like the vinyl collectors).
If the phone cameras had a little bit of zoom, say a 24-70/4 equivalent, and a way to trigger external flashes, what would you still use a large clunky camera for? Bird in flight and... some sports perhaps?
If the phones were way larger such that you kept it in a bag/backpack and your camera could send images directly to your friends/nas/dropbox/printer, would you still take photos with your phone?
hne said:Since the below really stepped on a few toes, please let me explain my view...
hne said:Unless some real innovation happens again. We are getting used to talking about innovation when all we are really getting is spec bumping and a few convenient features. Sony in particular are masters of this.
We've seen two real innovations hit the camera industry in the last two decades (digitalisation plus picture-sharing-centric photography). If we could have something like holographic or light field photography that really needed larger cameras, we could see the transition away from smartphones as primary cameras. Likewise if smartphone cameras couldn't be made much better but the sharing was properly built into the cameras.
hne said:people like me who take digital pictures for the print will be but a parenthesis in history.
unfocused said:The major change that has occurred is that the iPhone revolution changed photography from a commodity-producing enterprise in which the image is the primary goal, to an experience-based enterprise, in which the primary goal is to share feelings and experiences with others. Thus the popularity of selfies, food photos and documenting every moment of one's life.
This is a massive change that most photographers fail to comprehend, because too often, we think that the image itself is the purpose of a photograph. When, for the average person the photograph is just a handy means of sharing an experience.
Mikehit said:unfocused said:The major change that has occurred is that the iPhone revolution changed photography from a commodity-producing enterprise in which the image is the primary goal, to an experience-based enterprise, in which the primary goal is to share feelings and experiences with others. Thus the popularity of selfies, food photos and documenting every moment of one's life.
This is a massive change that most photographers fail to comprehend, because too often, we think that the image itself is the purpose of a photograph. When, for the average person the photograph is just a handy means of sharing an experience.
+1...
That is about as good a summation as I have ever read.
unfocused said:As an aside, the focus on experiences is having a major impact on the entire economy. Young people especially, but all consumers, are moving away from buying commodities to buying experiences. Thus, retailers that sell merchandise are suffering as consumers shift their spending to restaurants, vacations, concerts, etc., that promise an experience.
Mt Spokane Photography said:unfocused said:As an aside, the focus on experiences is having a major impact on the entire economy. Young people especially, but all consumers, are moving away from buying commodities to buying experiences. Thus, retailers that sell merchandise are suffering as consumers shift their spending to restaurants, vacations, concerts, etc., that promise an experience.
I had not heard that. I know that online sellers, Amazon in particular are eating brick and mortar stores lunch. I guess I need to read more about this. I'm sure its true.
Or we are focusing on experience because we dont make enough to buy stuff.unfocused said:https://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/05/millennials-are-prioritizing-experiences-over-stuff.html
https://www.eventbrite.com/blog/academy/millennials-fueling-experience-economy/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/blakemorgan/2015/06/01/nownershipnoproblem-nowners-millennials-value-experiences-over-ownership/#141949925406