neuroanatomist said:Isaacheus said:...peaking being available in the point and shoots but not in the higher end dlsr models. I'm sure there are others, but those do stand out a bit
Yeah, my EOS M and even my PowerShot S100 have in-camera HDR, but they omitted it from my 1D X. What greedy, camera-nerfing bastards, omiting such a critical feature.
Isaacheus said:neuroanatomist said:Isaacheus said:...peaking being available in the point and shoots but not in the higher end dlsr models. I'm sure there are others, but those do stand out a bit
Yeah, my EOS M and even my PowerShot S100 have in-camera HDR, but they omitted it from my 1D X. What greedy, camera-nerfing bastards, omiting such a critical feature.
Eh, I'm not saying you need to use all the features, but there are some that would be useful to proper, peaking for manual focus is one for me personally. Would I base a purchase on just one or two features not in a camera? Probably not, but having those features does mean I'd be more likely to upgrade /not look elsewhere to options that have more features in one unit.
The food program, yeah, I can live without. I'll give Canon a pass for not including that in the 1dx
neuroanatomist said:Dylan777 said:With featutres in M1and M3 Canon already good enough for #2...Welcome to Canon world :
Welcome to the real world. It's the place most people live, although that 'most' clearly excludes some CR forum members. :
neuroanatomist said:Isaacheus said:neuroanatomist said:Isaacheus said:...peaking being available in the point and shoots but not in the higher end dlsr models. I'm sure there are others, but those do stand out a bit
Yeah, my EOS M and even my PowerShot S100 have in-camera HDR, but they omitted it from my 1D X. What greedy, camera-nerfing bastards, omiting such a critical feature.
Eh, I'm not saying you need to use all the features, but there are some that would be useful to proper, peaking for manual focus is one for me personally. Would I base a purchase on just one or two features not in a camera? Probably not, but having those features does mean I'd be more likely to upgrade /not look elsewhere to options that have more features in one unit.
The food program, yeah, I can live without. I'll give Canon a pass for not including that in the 1dx
Yes, I understand. Focus peaking is important to you, so they should add it. In-camera HDR is useful for my friend, Alexis, so they should add it. Miniature simulation mode for Mary. Zebras for Xavier (he loves safaris). Fall foliage mode for Fred. Underwater WB for Ulric. Oh, and food photography is the chosen genre of Alexis' brother, Alex, so they should add that, too...it had to go into Shooting Menu 17, that was the next available slot with so many amazing and important features to add. Sadly for Alex, by the time he scrolled to select food mode, the busboy had cleared his perfectly-presented but uneaten meal.
Isaacheus said:neuroanatomist said:DIsaacheus said:neuroanatomist said:Isaacheus said:...peaking being available in the point and shoots but not in the higher end dlsr models. I'm sure there are others, but those do stand out a bit
Yeah, my EOS M and even my PowerShot S100 have in-camera HDR, but they omitted it from my 1D X. What greedy, camera-nerfing bastards, omiting such a critical feature.
Eh, I'm not saying you need to use all the features, but there are some that would be useful to proper, peaking for manual focus is one for me personally. Would I base a purchase on just one or two features not in a camera? Probably not, but having those features does mean I'd be more likely to upgrade /not look elsewhere to options that have more features in one unit.
The food program, yeah, I can live without. I'll give Canon a pass for not including that in the 1dx
Yes, I understand. Focus peaking is important to you, so they should add it. In-camera HDR is useful for my friend, Alexis, so they should add it. Miniature simulation mode for Mary. Zebras for Xavier (he loves safaris). Fall foliage mode for Fred. Underwater WB for Ulric. Oh, and food photography is the chosen genre of Alexis' brother, Alex, so they should add that, too...it had to go into Shooting Menu 17, that was the next available slot with so many amazing and important features to add. Sadly for Alex, by the time he scrolled to select food mode, the busboy had cleared his perfectly-presented but uneaten meal.
I think you've missed the point of my reply initially, i was just giving examples of technologies and features that Canon has available but doesn't include in some of the more expensive models.
The ones I listed are just ones I'm aware of as they would appeal to me.
It doesn't really worry me if Canon don't include certain features, I just won't buy that model if it doesn't fit my needs
Don Haines said:Isaacheus said:neuroanatomist said:DIsaacheus said:neuroanatomist said:Isaacheus said:...peaking being available in the point and shoots but not in the higher end dlsr models. I'm sure there are others, but those do stand out a bit
Yeah, my EOS M and even my PowerShot S100 have in-camera HDR, but they omitted it from my 1D X. What greedy, camera-nerfing bastards, omiting such a critical feature.
Eh, I'm not saying you need to use all the features, but there are some that would be useful to proper, peaking for manual focus is one for me personally. Would I base a purchase on just one or two features not in a camera? Probably not, but having those features does mean I'd be more likely to upgrade /not look elsewhere to options that have more features in one unit.
The food program, yeah, I can live without. I'll give Canon a pass for not including that in the 1dx
Yes, I understand. Focus peaking is important to you, so they should add it. In-camera HDR is useful for my friend, Alexis, so they should add it. Miniature simulation mode for Mary. Zebras for Xavier (he loves safaris). Fall foliage mode for Fred. Underwater WB for Ulric. Oh, and food photography is the chosen genre of Alexis' brother, Alex, so they should add that, too...it had to go into Shooting Menu 17, that was the next available slot with so many amazing and important features to add. Sadly for Alex, by the time he scrolled to select food mode, the busboy had cleared his perfectly-presented but uneaten meal.
I think you've missed the point of my reply initially, i was just giving examples of technologies and features that Canon has available but doesn't include in some of the more expensive models.
The ones I listed are just ones I'm aware of as they would appeal to me.
It doesn't really worry me if Canon don't include certain features, I just won't buy that model if it doesn't fit my needs
When the 7D2 came out, I was appalled that it did not have WiFi or a touch screen..... but I got one anyway.....
I think that there always going to be “missing” features based on what Canon thinks most people want (or don’t want) on each particular model. For example, no “green box” mode on the 1DX
Don Haines said:Isaacheus said:neuroanatomist said:DIsaacheus said:neuroanatomist said:Isaacheus said:...peaking being available in the point and shoots but not in the higher end dlsr models. I'm sure there are others, but those do stand out a bit
Yeah, my EOS M and even my PowerShot S100 have in-camera HDR, but they omitted it from my 1D X. What greedy, camera-nerfing bastards, omiting such a critical feature.
Eh, I'm not saying you need to use all the features, but there are some that would be useful to proper, peaking for manual focus is one for me personally. Would I base a purchase on just one or two features not in a camera? Probably not, but having those features does mean I'd be more likely to upgrade /not look elsewhere to options that have more features in one unit.
The food program, yeah, I can live without. I'll give Canon a pass for not including that in the 1dx
Yes, I understand. Focus peaking is important to you, so they should add it. In-camera HDR is useful for my friend, Alexis, so they should add it. Miniature simulation mode for Mary. Zebras for Xavier (he loves safaris). Fall foliage mode for Fred. Underwater WB for Ulric. Oh, and food photography is the chosen genre of Alexis' brother, Alex, so they should add that, too...it had to go into Shooting Menu 17, that was the next available slot with so many amazing and important features to add. Sadly for Alex, by the time he scrolled to select food mode, the busboy had cleared his perfectly-presented but uneaten meal.
I think you've missed the point of my reply initially, i was just giving examples of technologies and features that Canon has available but doesn't include in some of the more expensive models.
The ones I listed are just ones I'm aware of as they would appeal to me.
It doesn't really worry me if Canon don't include certain features, I just won't buy that model if it doesn't fit my needs
When the 7D2 came out, I was appalled that it did not have WiFi or a touch screen..... but I got one anyway.....
I think that there always going to be “missing” features based on what Canon thinks most people want (or don’t want) on each particular model. For example, no “green box” mode on the 1DX
Dylan777 said:neuroanatomist said:Dylan777 said:With featutres in M1and M3 Canon already good enough for #2...Welcome to Canon world :
Welcome to the real world. It's the place most people live, although that 'most' clearly excludes some CR forum members. :
Two different audiences, Canon clearly targeted a budget side. Those want and enjoy more features wouldn't have Canon in their bag. Canon will continue extracts the last juice out of Canon dslr users before they bring out decent mirrorless. Yup max profit for them and careless about their users. We all see how dslr vs mirrorless sale last few years :
neuroanatomist said:Dylan777 said:neuroanatomist said:Dylan777 said:With featutres in M1and M3 Canon already good enough for #2...Welcome to Canon world :
Welcome to the real world. It's the place most people live, although that 'most' clearly excludes some CR forum members. :
Two different audiences, Canon clearly targeted a budget side. Those want and enjoy more features wouldn't have Canon in their bag. Canon will continue extracts the last juice out of Canon dslr users before they bring out decent mirrorless. Yup max profit for them and careless about their users. We all see how dslr vs mirrorless sale last few years :
A budget side? Yes, and a high-end side. The 5DIV costs more than the a7RIII, the 1DX II more than the a9. I guess the M-series is so far from decent that it only manages to outsell every other line of MILCs on the market (given that Canon has one line and is #2, whereas other makers have several MILC lines). Careless about users? If careless is giving the market the right feature sets at the right price points such that the majority of ILC buyers choose a Canon ILC, then...yes. I'm not sure what you see, but while the shrinking ILC market has resulted in an increase in MILC share, absolute MILC sales have been flat for years and dSLRs still hold the solid majority of the market.
Dylan777 said:"The 5DIV costs more than the a7RIII, the 1DX II more than the a9" ==> I know you don't believe in Sony specs, both 7r III and A9(mirrorless) are much better cameras compared to 5D IV & 1DX II(DSLR) - from MP, AF points to fps. I strongly don't believe 5D and 1Dx are the main foods to keep Canon alive --- my crystal ball telling me is their budget models(rebels and cheap lenses).
Dylan777 said:" I guess the M-series is so far from decent that it only manages to outsell every other line of MILCs on the market (given that Canon has one line and is #2, whereas other makers have several MILC lines) " ==> you should be thanksful that mirrorless market are pressure Canon to release M5 & M6. Otherwise you would have shooting your M6 with an AF speed from M1.
Dylan777 said:"If careless is giving the market the right feature sets at the right price points such that the majority of ILC buyers choose a Canon ILC," ==> this is where Canon has an upper hand over other companies. They have much larger loyal customers willing to wait and buy Canon products, regardless, how behind they are. As long it has Canon logo on it, it's good as gold for them. Here an Exp: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=34133.0 , Yup it's in patent for Canon and hoping it will go into production. At same time, Sony A9 and others compact models are ready in their customer hands.
Dylan777 said:"MILC sales have been flat for years and dSLRs still hold the solid majority of the market. " ==> I'm not good reading graph, maybe you can tell me??? Look at Oct numbers for 2017 in CIPA.
http://www.cipa.jp/stats/dc_e.html
Dylan777 said:neuroanatomist said:Dylan777 said:With featutres in M1and M3 Canon already good enough for #2...Welcome to Canon world :
Welcome to the real world. It's the place most people live, although that 'most' clearly excludes some CR forum members. :
Two different audiences, Canon clearly targeted a budget side. Those want and enjoy more features wouldn't have Canon in their bag. Canon will continue extracts the last juice out of Canon dslr users before they bring out decent mirrorless. Yup max profit for them and careless about their users. We all see how dslr vs mirrorless sale last few years :
Dylan777 said:"If careless is giving the market the right feature sets at the right price points such that the majority of ILC buyers choose a Canon ILC," ==> this is where Canon has an upper hand over other companies. They have much larger loyal customers willing to wait and buy Canon products, regardless, how behind they are. As long it has Canon logo on it, it's good as gold for them. Here an Exp: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=34133.0 , Yup it's in patent for Canon and hoping it will go into production. At same time, Sony A9 and others compact models are ready in their customer hands.
Dylan777 said:neuroanatomist said:Dylan777 said:neuroanatomist said:Dylan777 said:With featutres in M1and M3 Canon already good enough for #2...Welcome to Canon world :
Welcome to the real world. It's the place most people live, although that 'most' clearly excludes some CR forum members. :
Two different audiences, Canon clearly targeted a budget side. Those want and enjoy more features wouldn't have Canon in their bag. Canon will continue extracts the last juice out of Canon dslr users before they bring out decent mirrorless. Yup max profit for them and careless about their users. We all see how dslr vs mirrorless sale last few years :
A budget side? Yes, and a high-end side. The 5DIV costs more than the a7RIII, the 1DX II more than the a9. I guess the M-series is so far from decent that it only manages to outsell every other line of MILCs on the market (given that Canon has one line and is #2, whereas other makers have several MILC lines). Careless about users? If careless is giving the market the right feature sets at the right price points such that the majority of ILC buyers choose a Canon ILC, then...yes. I'm not sure what you see, but while the shrinking ILC market has resulted in an increase in MILC share, absolute MILC sales have been flat for years and dSLRs still hold the solid majority of the market.
"The 5DIV costs more than the a7RIII, the 1DX II more than the a9" ==> I know you don't believe in Sony specs, both 7r III and A9(mirrorless) are much better cameras compared to 5D IV & 1DX II(DSLR) - from MP, AF points to fps.
Dylan777 said:"If careless is giving the market the right feature sets at the right price points such that the majority of ILC buyers choose a Canon ILC," ==> this is where Canon has an upper hand over other companies. They have much larger loyal customers willing to wait and buy Canon products, regardless, how behind they are. As long it has Canon logo on it, it's good as gold for them.
dak723 said:It has nothing to do with the brand. It has to do with photography. Yes, photography (perhaps people here have heard the word although it is rarely mentioned compared to the word specs...)
Dylan777 said:neuroanatomist said:Dylan777 said:With featutres in M1and M3 Canon already good enough for #2...Welcome to Canon world :
Welcome to the real world. It's the place most people live, although that 'most' clearly excludes some CR forum members. :
Two different audiences, Canon clearly targeted a budget side. Those want and enjoy more features wouldn't have Canon in their bag. Canon will continue extracts the last juice out of Canon dslr users before they bring out decent mirrorless. Yup max profit for them and careless about their users. We all see how dslr vs mirrorless sale last few years :