You Keep Asking About the Upcoming Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS....

BasXcanon

EOS T7i
Oct 6, 2016
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What is the 85 F1.4 IS going to do that cannot be done with the current 85L?

Ok you can get handhold shots at 1/30th of a second, but is that a smart move for a portrait shot??
Ok it could have much more corner sharpness, but should you go with a 85mm if you are heavily planning to go digital crop your images in the corners afterwards??
Ok it can reduce a bit of movie shack when making your video, but nothing substitutes a Gimbal at this point.
Ok maybe it will be hybrid IS for stability during panning shots, but that can be done with the current 100mm L to, prob for half the price.
 

mclaren777

EOS 80D
Apr 9, 2012
178
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BasXcanon said:
What is the 85 F1.4 IS going to do that cannot be done with the current 85L?
If it improved on the sharpness and reduced the CA of the 85L, this new lens would be a no-brainer.

 

BasXcanon

EOS T7i
Oct 6, 2016
83
5
CA only exists on 100% cropped in images on 4K screens.
I've never noticed any CA on a print that came from an EOS digital camera with EOS lens with CA lens profile enabled.
 

littleB

EOS T7i
Jun 29, 2017
66
15
Russia
BasXcanon said:
CA only exists on 100% cropped in images on 4K screens.
I've never noticed any CA on a print that came from an EOS digital camera with EOS lens with CA lens profile enabled.
Unfortunately, no profiles for TS-E lenses. I have two of them, CA are not always present, but in some cases, they are there, I would like to get rid of them easier than manual. TS-E 24f/3.5L II sometimes shows blue-yellow CAs when tilted, scene dependent. I understand that with shift or tilt it becomes nearly impossible to make a profile to correct CA automatically.
 

Hector1970

EOS 6D MK II
Mar 22, 2012
1,094
271
I still love my 85mm 1.2L so I'm in no rush for the new lens. Sure it's slow focussing. It makes you slow down and be careful. My copy is incredibly sharp stopped down. Too sharp really. Every flaw shows up. I'm sure the 1.4 will be sharp when it arrives but will never feel as special as the 1.2.
 

danski0224

EOS 6D MK II
Apr 24, 2011
1,089
4
Maiaibing said:
Its like complaining the 300IS L II has crappy MFD - well maybe you should use another lens for your close-ups...
A simple extension tube will address this "issue".

:)
 

YuengLinger

EOS 5D MK IV
Dec 20, 2012
2,577
679
Southeastern USA
BasXcanon said:
What is the 85 F1.4 IS going to do that cannot be done with the current 85L?

Ok you can get handhold shots at 1/30th of a second, but is that a smart move for a portrait shot??
Ok it could have much more corner sharpness, but should you go with a 85mm if you are heavily planning to go digital crop your images in the corners afterwards??
Ok it can reduce a bit of movie shack when making your video, but nothing substitutes a Gimbal at this point.
Ok maybe it will be hybrid IS for stability during panning shots, but that can be done with the current 100mm L to, prob for half the price.
Why be aggravated? Canon will keep making the 85mm 1.2L for a while, and the 100mm f/2.8L...I'd be VERY happy to have handheld at 85mm. I see motion blur even at 125th of a second, which is not "a smart move for a portrait shot." Something about the shape of the 85 makes it harder for me to hold without shake than even the 135 f/2, so I'm interested in IS!

Plus great shallow DoF at 85mm with quicker AF? What's to complain about?

Now bring on the 50mm f/1.2L II as a surprise announcement for fall of 2017!!!
 

ahsanford

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Aug 16, 2012
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BasXcanon said:
What is the 85 F1.4 IS going to do that cannot be done with the current 85L?

Ok you can get handhold shots at 1/30th of a second, but is that a smart move for a portrait shot??
Ok it could have much more corner sharpness, but should you go with a 85mm if you are heavily planning to go digital crop your images in the corners afterwards??
Ok it can reduce a bit of movie shack when making your video, but nothing substitutes a Gimbal at this point.
Ok maybe it will be hybrid IS for stability during panning shots, but that can be done with the current 100mm L to, prob for half the price.
Things we might expect / hope for:

IS
Much sharper (see the Sigma 85 Art vs. the 85L II for what sort of improvements we might see)
Faster focusing
Internal focusing
Mechanical focusing instead of focus by wire
Possibly the BR gunk to fight fringing
Possibly lighter (aperture says yes, but modernizing the lens for sharpness says no -- we shall see)

- A
 

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Maiaibing

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Mar 7, 2014
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danski0224 said:
Maiaibing said:
Its like complaining the 300IS L II has crappy MFD - well maybe you should use another lens for your close-ups...
A simple extension tube will address this "issue".

:)
Yes - but then you're not complaining but accepting that your lens will need some help to produce the results you are looking for... ;D
 

Antono Refa

EOS 6D MK II
Mar 26, 2014
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The 85mm f/1.4L IS would most probably be too expensive for me, esp as I've already bought the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS mkII USM.

If Canon releases {50mm + 85mm} f/1.8 IS USM at the same price point as the upgraded 24-28-35mm, I'll buy both.
 

CanonFanBoy

EOS 5D SR
Jan 28, 2015
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I, for one, will wait on the real life reviews and photos to make a choice between the two lenses. IS is very tempting though. Not good at holding still. :(
 

Pixel

EOS 80D
Sep 6, 2011
105
7
When was it announced that this lens was going to be "L"? I visit this site everyday and don't remember it.

And, I can't understand how this lens would be a camel back breaker making someone jump to Sony? Has Canon released some lenses lately that have been sub-par that would make you worry about this lens?
Disclosure: I own two Sigma lenses ONLY because Canon doesn't make a similar lens.
 

sanj

EOS 5D MK IV
Jan 22, 2012
3,202
74
I already sold my 1.2. Got a super price for it. It is good that not all read Canon Rumors. ;D
 

jeffa4444

EOS 6D MK II
Feb 28, 2013
1,435
87
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In terms of a constant maximum aperture set of lenses Canon has fallen behind Sigma and one has to wonder why.

This is Canon current offering:-

EF 24mm f1.4L II
EF 35mm f1.4L II
EF 50mm f1.4 (A lens not up to the newer 5D MKIV, 5DS / R cameras resolution)

we have a rumoured EF 85mm f1.4L

Now lets look at a constant maximum aperture selection from Sigma Art series

20mm f1.4 DG HSM A
24mm f1.4 DG HSM A
35mm f1.4 DG HSM A
50mm f1.4 DG HSM A
85mm f1.4 DG HSM A

Sigma has the 135mm f1.8 DG HSM A which obviously is not a constant maximum aperture lens and is missing a 100mm from the Art series. Nikon recently produced a 105mm f1.4E ED so its plausible to make a lens in numbers at this aperture and maintain high quality. In cinematography a number of companies make fast primes with constant maximum apertures and for the video shooters among Canon clients this is a holy grail they are yet to realise from Canon current portfolio.

The mystery is the lack of EF 50mm f1.4L, this is the easiest focal length to design and would sell in greater numbers yet to date Canon has not delivered. Moreover its unlikely to unseat the 50mm f1.2L because they can be designed with different criteria (i.e. soft & creamy at max aperture for the 1.2 and crisp & contrast for the 1.4).

Sigma has taken their 1.4 lenses and repurposed them for cinematography to a part of the market that cannot afford Zeiss, Cookes, Schneider, Leica etc. Canon fixed cinematography primes are a mixed bag with good & bad lenses and not widely popular as a result.

So Canon where is the EF 50mm f1.4L and the EF 85mm f1.4L and what else beyond that because that would still only give you four focal lengths you would need either a 18 / 20mm and a 100mm
 

LonelyBoy

EOS 7D MK II
Feb 18, 2015
745
0
jeffa4444 said:
In terms of a constant maximum aperture set of lenses Canon has fallen behind Sigma and one has to wonder why.

This is Canon current offering:-

EF 24mm f1.4L II
EF 35mm f1.4L II
EF 50mm f1.4 (A lens not up to the newer 5D MKIV, 5DS / R cameras resolution)

we have a rumoured EF 85mm f1.4L

Now lets look at a constant maximum aperture selection from Sigma Art series

20mm f1.4 DG HSM A
24mm f1.4 DG HSM A
35mm f1.4 DG HSM A
50mm f1.4 DG HSM A
85mm f1.4 DG HSM A

Sigma has the 135mm f1.8 DG HSM A which obviously is not a constant maximum aperture lens and is missing a 100mm from the Art series. Nikon recently produced a 105mm f1.4E ED so its plausible to make a lens in numbers at this aperture and maintain high quality. In cinematography a number of companies make fast primes with constant maximum apertures and for the video shooters among Canon clients this is a holy grail they are yet to realise from Canon current portfolio.

The mystery is the lack of EF 50mm f1.4L, this is the easiest focal length to design and would sell in greater numbers yet to date Canon has not delivered. Moreover its unlikely to unseat the 50mm f1.2L because they can be designed with different criteria (i.e. soft & creamy at max aperture for the 1.2 and crisp & contrast for the 1.4).

Sigma has taken their 1.4 lenses and repurposed them for cinematography to a part of the market that cannot afford Zeiss, Cookes, Schneider, Leica etc. Canon fixed cinematography primes are a mixed bag with good & bad lenses and not widely popular as a result.

So Canon where is the EF 50mm f1.4L and the EF 85mm f1.4L and what else beyond that because that would still only give you four focal lengths you would need either a 18 / 20mm and a 100mm
What exactly are you meaning by "constant maximum aperture" by which a 135A does not count? Do you really mean "f/1.4"? Because primes are constant maximum aperture by default and definition: they don't have a zoom range over which maximum aperture can change. I assume "at least f/1.4" is what you mean, because Canon has a ton more primes than you listed, and the only reason I can think of you've excluded them is they aren't f/1.4.

I would say that, as a strategy, Sigma has done a great job of identifying weak spots in the Canon lineup and focusing their efforts there. A full library of f/1.4 primes (plus the 24-70/2.8OS), is a soft spot in Canon's lineup. The 24-105A is much less of an unserved market, so whatever people say about the Sigma being better than the old 24-105L, I'd be really curious what the sales numbers have been for the Art, and how it's worked out for them as an investment.
 

Jopa

EOS 6D MK II
Dec 11, 2015
1,056
0
sanj said:
I already sold my 1.2. Got a super price for it. It is good that not all read Canon Rumors. ;D
The 1.2 is a quite unique lens, and the 1.4 won't be a replacement. It should hold its value.