12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)

[CarlMillerPhoto]

Sony A7s. Confirmed 12mp Full Frame sensor and 4k video means 1:1 pixel use (no artifact/binning issues, more accurate color, etc.). Low light should be damn impressive too. Full announcement coming this Sunday (4/6) at NAB.

And unlike the GH4, a metabones adapter already exists that allows aperture control and IS for EF glass on E mount bodies.

I hope Canon is paying attention, beyond discounting the 1D-C.

 

[ksagomonyants]

12 mp? Foveon or Bayer sensor? It's hard to believe that Sony, which got good reputation because of its high MP sensors, would go back to 12 mp camera

 

[Albi86]

12 mp? Foveon or Bayer sensor? It's hard to believe that Sony, which got good reputation because of its high MP sensors, would go back to 12 mp camera

I don't think they're going back, but rather in a parallel direction. This camera seems to be based on the opposite concept of the a7r and is targeted at a different market.

 

[MintChocs]

Does this mean we can now shoot at ridiculously high ISOs and throw away the tripod?

 

[Lightmaster]

Sony A7s. Confirmed 12mp Full Frame sensor and 4k video means 1:1 pixel use (no artifact/binning issues, more accurate color, etc.). Low light should be damn impressive too. Full announcement coming this Sunday (4/6) at NAB.

And unlike the GH4, a metabones adapter already exists that allows aperture control and IS for EF glass on E mount bodies.

I hope Canon is paying attention, beyond discounting the 1D-C.

source?

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

The rumors say that 7D mark ii should be a "mini 1Dx" for shooting fast action with lower cost. In this sense, a 12 megapixel sensor (with updated technology) would be perfect for shooting in dark places, and make 4K video too.

 

[Loswr]

In another thread on this website, there is a lot of posters from this website that are (or at least were!) absolutely certain that 4K wouldn't take off this year and that Canon wouldn't need to include it in their cameras this year. Seems to me that everyone else thinks that now is the right time to be delivering 4K capability.

If the 7D mark II arrives this year without 4K, Canon will be at the station looking at the caboose as it disappears into the distance...

Apparently 'everyone else' thought it was time for higher MP sensors last year. 'Everyone else' still seems to be sitting in the caboose of the Market Share Express, a train with a big Canon logo on the engine in front.

 

[Don Haines]

In another thread on this website, there is a lot of posters from this website that are (or at least were!) absolutely certain that 4K wouldn't take off this year and that Canon wouldn't need to include it in their cameras this year. Seems to me that everyone else thinks that now is the right time to be delivering 4K capability.

If the 7D mark II arrives this year without 4K, Canon will be at the station looking at the caboose as it disappears into the distance...

That really made me smile... and brings up a mental image of Mr. Canon and Mr. Nikon at the train station filming the departing train in 1080 at 30hz, while on the train, the lovely ladies Miss Sony, Miss Panasonic, Miss GoPro, Miss Red, and a host of others are waving goodbye

I think I'll go take my GoPro and shoot some 4K video, and when I'm done I'll grab my p/s and try to capture some blue jays in flight at 240hz....

 

[weixing]

Hi,

In another thread on this website, there is a lot of posters from this website that are (or at least were!) absolutely certain that 4K wouldn't take off this year and that Canon wouldn't need to include it in their cameras this year. Seems to me that everyone else thinks that now is the right time to be delivering 4K capability.

If the 7D mark II arrives this year without 4K, Canon will be at the station looking at the caboose as it disappears into the distance...

That really made me smile... and brings up a mental image of Mr. Canon and Mr. Nikon at the train station filming the departing train in 1080 at 30hz, while on the train, the lovely ladies Miss Sony, Miss Panasonic, Miss GoPro, Miss Red, and a host of others are waving goodbye

I think I'll go take my GoPro and shoot some 4K video, and when I'm done I'll grab my p/s and try to capture some blue jays in flight at 240hz....

Then they realized they left all the consumers at the station... ;D

Have a nice weekend!

 

[Don Haines]

Hi,

In another thread on this website, there is a lot of posters from this website that are (or at least were!) absolutely certain that 4K wouldn't take off this year and that Canon wouldn't need to include it in their cameras this year. Seems to me that everyone else thinks that now is the right time to be delivering 4K capability.

If the 7D mark II arrives this year without 4K, Canon will be at the station looking at the caboose as it disappears into the distance...

That really made me smile... and brings up a mental image of Mr. Canon and Mr. Nikon at the train station filming the departing train in 1080 at 30hz, while on the train, the lovely ladies Miss Sony, Miss Panasonic, Miss GoPro, Miss Red, and a host of others are waving goodbye

I think I'll go take my GoPro and shoot some 4K video, and when I'm done I'll grab my p/s and try to capture some blue jays in flight at 240hz....

Then they realized they left all the consumers at the station... ;D

Have a nice weekend!

But then again, sometimes missing the train is a good thing

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Hi,

In another thread on this website, there is a lot of posters from this website that are (or at least were!) absolutely certain that 4K wouldn't take off this year and that Canon wouldn't need to include it in their cameras this year. Seems to me that everyone else thinks that now is the right time to be delivering 4K capability.
If the 7D mark II arrives this year without 4K, Canon will be at the station looking at the caboose as it disappears into the distance...

That really made me smile... and brings up a mental image of Mr. Canon and Mr. Nikon at the train station filming the departing train in 1080 at 30hz, while on the train, the lovely ladies Miss Sony, Miss Panasonic, Miss GoPro, Miss Red, and a host of others are waving goodbye
I think I'll go take my GoPro and shoot some 4K video, and when I'm done I'll grab my p/s and try to capture some blue jays in flight at 240hz....

Then they realized they left all the consumers at the station... ;D
Have a nice weekend!

But then again, sometimes missing the train is a good thing

Well said. Some manufacturers have lost the train of the financial loss. Anyone remember these trains?

HD-DVD (murdered by BluRay);
Card MEMORY STICK;
D-VHS (believe me, once existed VHS video cassette digital full-hd);
XQD card (was born dead);
Windows Vista (not even the mother of Bill Gates liked this thing).

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Hi,

In another thread on this website, there is a lot of posters from this website that are (or at least were!) absolutely certain that 4K wouldn't take off this year and that Canon wouldn't need to include it in their cameras this year. Seems to me that everyone else thinks that now is the right time to be delivering 4K capability.
If the 7D mark II arrives this year without 4K, Canon will be at the station looking at the caboose as it disappears into the distance...

That really made me smile... and brings up a mental image of Mr. Canon and Mr. Nikon at the train station filming the departing train in 1080 at 30hz, while on the train, the lovely ladies Miss Sony, Miss Panasonic, Miss GoPro, Miss Red, and a host of others are waving goodbye
I think I'll go take my GoPro and shoot some 4K video, and when I'm done I'll grab my p/s and try to capture some blue jays in flight at 240hz....

Then they realized they left all the consumers at the station... ;D Have a nice weekend!

But then again, sometimes missing the train is a good thing

Well said. Some manufacturers have lost the train of the financial loss. Anyone remember these trains?

If there was no future in 4K video then why does Canon manufacture Cinema EOS cameras that shoot 4K video?
Is Canon throwing away money on Cinema EOS to make 4K cameras that nobody wants?
The smart people who are creating video are already investing in equipment capable of shooting 4K so that they can remaster content they produce in 1080p today in 4K later and resell it. That set of people are not buying Canon and it doesn't look like they will for quite some time - unless Canon surprises us at NAB.

I did not say that 4K is a lost train, but nothing indicates that it will be the hegemonic pattern to the end consumer. Perhaps in 2025 there are reliable and affordable media to replace BluRay. The irony is that even the Bluray did not become hegemonic one, and a "surrogate" is now required. The Cinema EOS line, as the name implies, is designed for producers of CINEMA, and the movies in the next decade will still pass down convert to "fit" on BluRay discs.

 

[Lawliet]

I did not say that 4K is a lost train, but nothing indicates that it will be the hegemonic pattern to the end consumer. Perhaps in 2025 there are reliable and affordable media to replace BluRay.

I didn't feel thats much of an factor - you can always downsample to FullHD if media constraints require it - but how much longer the medium will be a major factor?
OTOH increased production cost might be a something to consider -whole production, with the part from sensor to end user being more of a side note-, thats unless one wants the higher res just to reveal previously glossed over and hidden flaws.

 

[IMG_0001]

The amount of details you can extract of the chroma key backgrounds is incrredible at 4k resolution.

Jokes apart, I second the idea that 4k makes sense for professional videographers either for ultra high def or post production to FHD. However, for consumers, I still doubt that theere is more than bragging rights attachsed tu 4k.

 

[Longexposure]

Hope the "S" stands for stabilised

 

[weixing]

Hi,

The amount of details you can extract of the chroma key backgrounds is incrredible at 4k resolution.

Jokes apart, I second the idea that 4k makes sense for professional videographers either for ultra high def or post production to FHD. However, for consumers, I still doubt that theere is more than bragging rights attachsed tu 4k.

What if you already own a 4K TV, why wouldn't you want to be able to film home stuff in 4K?

Does Sony sell a 4K TV? Yes
Similarly for Panasonic, they make a 4K TV so they're also selling cameras capable of producing 4K.

4K TV is still very expensive at the moment... Hmm... May be we can do a poll to check how many members in CR had a 4K TV, how many intend to get a 4K TV in one year time and what's the maximum $$$ you willing to paid for a TV??

Have a nice day.

 

[Dylan777]

I'll get one if the "s" has similar AF system as A6000.

 

[IMG_0001]

The amount of details you can extract of the chroma key backgrounds is incrredible at 4k resolution.

Jokes apart, I second the idea that 4k makes sense for professional videographers either for ultra high def or post production to FHD. However, for consumers, I still doubt that theere is more than bragging rights attachsed tu 4k.

What if you already own a 4K TV, why wouldn't you want to be able to film home stuff in 4K?

Does Sony sell a 4K TV? Yes
Similarly for Panasonic, they make a 4K TV so they're also selling cameras capable of producing 4K.

I understand that companies will try to push products ecosystems, but from a practical standpoint, I don't see the benefit of a 4k video of your 5yo's birthday party or of your aunt gardening. I just feel like you need some pretty controlled condition to allow for 4k to produce significant additional details at the shutter speeds allowed in video. If you add the time and computer resources required to edit those videos, it makes even less sense to me.

As a professional tool, 4k surely has a place. As a consumer product, may be not as sensible a product. Nevertheless, consumers are not often acclaimed for their ability to make sensible decisions... there should be plenty of buyers.

However, i'll be honest and confess that is just my opinion and I'm not a video guru.

 

[IMG_0001]

The amount of details you can extract of the chroma key backgrounds is incrredible at 4k resolution.

Jokes apart, I second the idea that 4k makes sense for professional videographers either for ultra high def or post production to FHD. However, for consumers, I still doubt that theere is more than bragging rights attachsed tu 4k.

What if you already own a 4K TV, why wouldn't you want to be able to film home stuff in 4K?

Does Sony sell a 4K TV? Yes
Similarly for Panasonic, they make a 4K TV so they're also selling cameras capable of producing 4K.

I understand that companies will try to push products ecosystems, but from a practical standpoint, I don't see the benefit of a 4k video of your 5yo's birthday party or of your aunt gardening. I just feel like you need some pretty controlled condition to allow for 4k to produce significant additional details at the shutter speeds allowed in video. If you add the time and computer resources required to edit those videos, it makes even less sense to me.

When the 5 year old turns 21 in 16 years time, what would you rather have?
4k video or 1080p video of the birthday?

If 4k garanteed him a happier b'day, 4k for sure! However, as I said before, I mostly think in the conditions most home videos are filmed, 4k will emphasis oof and motion blur from the shooter (or subject). Personally, I already find making a good home video hard with a dslr at HD res, so I surely am not ready for 4k. But hey, that is just me! 4k lovers, be my guest. That is just my opinion, I don't want to enforce it on anyone, but I feel it makes sense.

 

[AvTvM]

I'll get one if the "s" has similar AF system as A6000.

+1

And in body 6-axis 4-stops IS.
And they can cut out the video cr*p on my copy.