1D Mark V [CR1]

[Picsfor]

If you pop over to the Nikon Rumour's site, you will see they are expecting a D4/400 release for September time.

Canon are no doubt watching the Nikon camp carefully, and i fully expect a release to match that of the Nikons.

Apart from the 5DII, Canon really don't have any thing to match Nikon's at the moment, and were it not for the MP values, i think Canon would be suffering even more than they are.

A 1D5 would be more than welcome if it was full frame at 21mp with 8fps and an iso that was comparible to now or 1 stop better. Space for 2 CF cards would also be welcome, along with built in wifi.

As a current 5DII owner, i'm more than happy with the 21mp, and would leave the higher MP for the landscape and still life bods...

 

[mrcrsr]

Let's go Canon.
Money is ready and waiting for being transferred to you

 

[chito]

It actually makes sense to me to have a 1DV "merged".. too bad we wouldn't have a "cheaper" 1D camera... but a 40 megapixel FF 1DV would have a roughly 23.6 megapixel aps-h crop... processing on digital crop mode would be roughly twice as fast (almost 2X fps as in FF mode).. sounds great to me

 

[ronderick]

Well, since we're talking about possibilities, what's preventing Canon from releasing a FF 1D5 to replace the APS-H format 1DIV, but still come out with the 1Ds4?

That will probably satisfy the majority of users (save for those who'll miss the x1.3 crop) while still keeping the line split, aka. retain the pricing difference ;D

 

[bvukich]

Well, since we're talking about possibilities, what's preventing Canon from releasing a FF 1D5 to replace the APS-H format 1DIV, but still come out with the 1Ds4?

Probably just their desire to have less active lines of sensor development. However, if a 1D5 were to share a sensor with another higher volume FF, like the 5D3; it could actually work to their benefit.

 

[WarStreet]

As I said above, Why you are thinking that the 1DV is going to replace the 1Ds and 1D series, leaving nothing in the 1D price range ? Is it obvious that the high res and speed merging would happen in the 1Ds price range and the 1D series will just continue as usual probably FF leaving the same price ranges as before ? The naming of the camera is not important, but price ranges are, and they can't leave the price range of the D3s/D4 out.

 

[x-vision]

As I said above, Why you are thinking that the 1DV is going to replace the 1Ds and 1D series, leaving nothing in the 1D price range ?

The merged 1-series camera - the 1DV - will be in the 1D price range, not in the 1Ds price range.

The thing is, the 1D price range is no longer $4K as some tend to believe.

Canon is selling the 1DIV for $5K and Nikon is selling the D3s for $5.5K.
This is the new price range for this class of camera - whether you like it or not.

$5K is the new $4K .
Expect that 1DV to push that price at introduction - but then to come down to $5K within a year.

Canon does not want to sell you a 1-series camera for $4K anymore. These days are gone.

Moving the 1DV to FF will be just another justification for increasing the price.
You can see the same trend with the new 'big-whites' (300L, 400L, 500L, and 600L) - they are all more expensive than the lenses they replace.

 

[Stone]

As I said above, Why you are thinking that the 1DV is going to replace the 1Ds and 1D series, leaving nothing in the 1D price range ? Is it obvious that the high res and speed merging would happen in the 1Ds price range and the 1D series will just continue as usual probably FF leaving the same price ranges as before ? The naming of the camera is not important, but price ranges are, and they can't leave the price range of the D3s/D4 out.

I agree with this, if the 1D lines merge creating a single flagship body, it would need to compete with the D3x at the 7$K+ price point. That would leave a huge price gap between the 5D and 1D bodies. It would more than likely alienate sports shooters and serious amateurs accustomed to buying in the $4.5 - $5K price range. I can't see Canon giving up those sales to the Nikon D4 or feeling generous and giving us their flagship at a more reasonable price that would appeal to a broader demographic. If the lines really do merge, Canon either has to continue selling the 1DIV, keep this unified 1D body in the $4 - $6K price range or add a 3rd FF body to their lineup.

I think we'll continue to have the 1D at 24-32 MP FF with crop mode shooting at 10+ fps in the $5K range and the 1Ds probably at 40MP or more no crop mode shooting at 3-4 fps in the $7K+ range. My only questions is what could Canon add other than the increase in MP to justify the premium over a 1DV. They would be able to compete with Nikon quite well with this kind of lineup even though Nikon has a few more bodies to fill in the gaps.

 

[UncleFester]

My only questions is what could Canon add other than the increase in MP to justify the premium over a 1DV. They would be able to compete with Nikon quite well with this kind of lineup even though Nikon has a few more bodies to fill in the gaps.

They could do all sorts of stuff that they would just leave out of the 1D, 5d, 7d. Like I posted earlier: body re-design and add to that a higher-tech battery design would be huge. Not that super mega-pixels in it'self wouldn't be.

 

[dr croubie]

Since it seems fairly plausible now that we have a CR1 level rumor about a 1D release (relatively) soon and that, according to what I have read on tis thread, we can expect a price tag of $6k .... I have two questions:

1) How long of a period after the new 1D is released do you forsee the new 5D released?
2) If the new 1D is at the $6k range as this thread suggests, at what price point would the 5D be at?

My guesses are 6 months after the 1D we will see a new 5D, and the 5D would come in at $3k.

if you mean 1d5, then it won't be related to the 5d3, imho.

- if 1ds4 is next out of the stable, then:
- - 5d3 with same sensor will be at least 6 months, probably closer to 12 behind.
- - 5d3 with lower sensor could be closer, even 3 months behind.

- if 5d3 comes first, then:
- - 1ds4 will have much higher mp than 5d3.
- - or 1d5 will be FF with faster crop-mode (1.3x at least 20mp) and 1ds is dead.

- if 1d5 comes first, then:
- - 1d5 will probably be ~20-25mp, dual digic V, same AF/FPS/etc as other 1d.
- - timeline for 5d3/1ds4 won't be affected


either way, any potential 1ds4 and 1d5 both announced at latest by 1Q 2012, on shelves in number before Olympics. If the 1 bodies come sooner, we *might* even see a 7D2 just before the Olympics...

 

[distant.star]

I don't believe a word of it.

Surprises are upcoming, I believe.

 

[rbr]

The 1D IV has only been around for about a year and a half. Why would Canon be replacing that fantastic camera already? There are people out there who like its crop believe it or not. It's ideal for many big telephoto users. If Canon is coming out with a Mark V that has full frame for a lot more money, I will happily pass on it. The current Mark IV is just about perfect to me. There is apparently a lot of whining on the internet for a fast full frame camera. I do hope Canon comes out with one so they can be happy.

 

[Stone]

The 1D IV has only been around for about a year and a half. Why would Canon be replacing that fantastic camera already? There are people out there who like its crop believe it or not. It's ideal for many big telephoto users. If Canon is coming out with a Mark V that has full frame for a lot more money, I will happily pass on it. The current Mark IV is just about perfect to me. There is apparently a lot of whining on the internet for a fast full frame camera. I do hope Canon comes out with one so they can be happy.

Canon will produce a fast, FF body because Canon's number 1 competitor already offers multiple, fast, full frame bodies. If a crop mode is offered, the big telephoto users will still have their crop factor while allowing the ability to go ultra wide when necessary, something alot of APS-H users complain about. If we finally get this kind of body, other than the price which is also a matter of speculation, everyone wins.

I shoot everything from landscapes to sporting events, this would be the ultimate camera for myself and thousands of others, I'm glad you're happy with the 1DIV, it means 1 less person competing for what will surely be limited stock if this turns out to be real.

cheers...

 

[WarStreet]

Since it seems fairly plausible now that we have a CR1 level rumor about a 1D release (relatively) soon and that, according to what I have read on tis thread, we can expect a price tag of $6k .... I have two questions:

1) How long of a period after the new 1D is released do you forsee the new 5D released?
2) If the new 1D is at the $6k range as this thread suggests, at what price point would the 5D be at?

My guesses are 6 months after the 1D we will see a new 5D, and the 5D would come in at $3k.

New cameras should have launch and eventual reduced prices similar to their previous version price pattern. Electronics technology improvement is the ability to give more for less.

Lenses is a different story, they can't improve the optics while reducing costs the same way as the electronics in the camera, so the only way to have a better lens is usually to spend more

Exchange rates and radical changes might effect the prices.

 

[motorhead]

To those of us who have been to a greater or lesser extent patiently waiting for the 1Ds mk4, it does seem unfair that Canon are updating the 1D after such a short period.

But don't forget the target market for the 1D. Sports Journalists form a large chunk of that market and we have the 2012 London Olympics looming ever closer. Canon updated the camera for the last Winter Olympics so at least they are running true to form.

I would personally argue from my own observations at motor events that the 1Ds is also a very popular choice for this very same niche, but Canon seem convinced that the 1D is THE camera and I can only assume they have sales figures that support thier position.

Certainly there is no benefit in not updating the 1D. That just offers the Olympics to Nikon on a plate.

 

[Polansky]

Very plausible rumor despite its CR1 status.

Me personally thinks that this 1D V might be priced equally as the current 1D (so around the 5000 mark).

We know what happened to 1Ds when Canon introduced the 5D MKII. Sales of the 1Ds dropped dramatically despite is superior body and features over the 5D.

My thought is that we will get a crippled 5D3 again with again a bad autofocus system.
Canon wants current 5D2 owners not to upgrade to the 5D3, but rather have them upgrade to the 1D and therewith earn more money, due to larger profits on the 1D camera.

Those who say that 1D IV is only just over a year old, should better look at the release dates of the 1D.

First 1D released september 2001
1D MK II January 2004
1D MK IIn August 2005
1D MK III February 2007
1D MK IV October 2009

That means that the average life cycle of the 1D has been about 14 month since 1D MKII.

Therefore it makes sense that Canon could release a new 1D camera by september.

 

[bornshooter]

canon has there flagship pro solutions show at london islington on october the 25/26 i put my life this new camera will be at this show.

 

[bornshooter]

canon has there flagship pro solutions show at london islington on october the 25/26 i put my life this new camera will be at this show.

Whoa, hold the phone there ... I'd call that a rather sizable wager.

well this cr1 rumour says end of sept announcement would make sense for them to bring this or announce it at the show dont you think?

 

[UncleFester]

My thought is that we will get a crippled 5D3 again with again a bad autofocus system.
Canon wants current 5D2 owners not to upgrade to the 5D3, but rather have them upgrade to the 1D and therewith earn more money, due to larger profits on the 1D camera.

This was my thought as well but my reasoning is that they'll sell a crippled 5DIII to a new owner, who will eventually wind up buying a 7D for the autofocus. (I would think larger profits for small cameras with less R&D this time around with bigger sales). (But you're right, current 5D owners will probably not tolerate another crappy AF system).

Side note: Canon wants Non- 1D owners carrying 2 bodies.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

My thought is that we will get a crippled 5D3 again with again a bad autofocus system.
Canon wants current 5D2 owners not to upgrade to the 5D3, but rather have them upgrade to the 1D and therewith earn more money, due to larger profits on the 1D camera.

This was my thought as well but my reasoning is that they'll sell a crippled 5DIII to a new owner, who will eventually wind up buying a 7D for the autofocus. (I would think larger profits for small cameras with less R&D this time around with bigger sales). (But you're right, current 5D owners will probably not tolerate another crappy AF system).

Side note: Canon wants Non- 1D owners carrying 2 bodies.

You can have AF speed at the expense of accuracy (7D), or AF accuracy at the expense of Speed (5D series), or both speed and accuracy (1D series).

That seems to be Canon's way of differentiating models.

I prefer AF accuracy over speed, but would like both, of course.

We can always hope for both in a new 5d type camera.