1D Mark V [CR1]

[Stone]

My thought is that we will get a crippled 5D3 again with again a bad autofocus system.
Canon wants current 5D2 owners not to upgrade to the 5D3, but rather have them upgrade to the 1D and therewith earn more money, due to larger profits on the 1D camera.

This was my thought as well but my reasoning is that they'll sell a crippled 5DIII to a new owner, who will eventually wind up buying a 7D for the autofocus. (I would think larger profits for small cameras with less R&D this time around with bigger sales). (But you're right, current 5D owners will probably not tolerate another crappy AF system).

Side note: Canon wants Non- 1D owners carrying 2 bodies.

Also, if Canon releases another crippled 5D, new and existing customers have a high performance option from Nikon in the same price range. The only people stuck would be those heavily invested in Canon EF glass. Those moving up from crop bodies will more than likely be upgrading their lenses and brand new customers have to start from scratch with glass anyway. The D700 shook things up by giving their customers just about everything (except video) right out of the gate. I don't think crippling the next 5D is an option, it might not have 7D quality af but it should be light years ahead of what they have now.

I agree with you about Canon wanting people to carry 2 bodies, as an amateur, something I refuse to do. That's why I'm thankful for the competition from Nikon. If the 1DV is too costly or the 5DIII doesn't meet my expectations, I have another option in the D4 or D800

 

[ronderick]

You can have AF speed at the expense of accuracy (7D), or AF accuracy at the expense of Speed (5D series), or both speed and accuracy (1D series).

That seems to be Canon's way of differentiating models.

I prefer AF accuracy over speed, but would like both, of course.

We can always hope for both in a new 5d type camera.

I'm actually hoping for the exact opposite.

Personally, I think the 7D AF is developped for the serious-amateur market (as opposed to the intro-models AF in the XXXDs and the 45-point AF in the 1D-series). While Canon has long refused to make the AF system of the 1D available to the lower models, it realized that they have to offer something better, since the D300-line of Nikon already possess their upper-grade AF.

I think its safe to say that the next 5D would have a similar system as the 7D, which is still not as good as the pro-line but would be enough to quench the complaints of current 5D2 users.

As for the 1D... I think the AF system, built, and weathersealing is quite enough to set the pro model apart from the others (Yeah, and the $$$ too) :

 

[UncleFester]

I think its safe to say that the next 5D would have a similar system as the 7D, which is still not as good as the pro-line but would be enough to quench the complaints of current 5D2 users.

I would think that a 5D with 7D autofocus would pretty much kill off the 7D. Right now the 7D is their most high-tech supermodel of the sub-1D line.

Although a 5D/7D model would quench some complaints.

 

[dr croubie]

I would think that a 5D with 7D autofocus would pretty much kill off the 7D. Right now the 7D is their most high-tech supermodel of the sub-1D line.

Although a 5D/7D model would quench some complaints.

not necessarily. has the 1d ever killed off the 1ds sales because it's got the same AF? if there's anything anyone agrees on around here, it's that the 5d2 did more to kill sales of the 1ds than the 1d ever did.

FF 1ds, best AF, decent (5fps) framerate Vs 1.3x 1d, best AF, best (10fps) framerate.
Go down a rung.
FF 5d3, 2nd best (19pt) af, not as good (3.9fps) framerate Vs 1.6x 7d, 2nd best (19pt) af, 2nd best (8fps) framerate.

Sure, i'd be tempted by a 5d3, FF with ~25-30mp, 19pt AF, ~4fps.
but it'll be a lot more expensive than the 7d (or 7d2), which will have higher noise, aps-c, 8fps, etc.
even if i buy a 5d2 (or 5d3), you can guarantee i'm still taking my 7d (or 7d2) out into the field with a Great White Prime (if i could afford one) to shoot birds in good light.
same as if i had a 5d2 (or 5d3) and a 1d4 (or 1d3, 1d5). 5d2 goes to the indoor low-light and hiking for wide landscapes, 1d4 goes with the tele lens for sports.
horses for courses.

 

[UncleFester]

I would think that a 5D with 7D autofocus would pretty much kill off the 7D. Right now the 7D is their most high-tech supermodel of the sub-1D line.

Although a 5D/7D model would quench some complaints.

not necessarily. has the 1d ever killed off the 1ds sales because it's got the same AF? if there's anything anyone agrees on around here, it's that the 5d2 did more to kill sales of the 1ds than the 1d ever did.

FF 1ds, best AF, decent (5fps) framerate Vs 1.3x 1d, best AF, best (10fps) framerate.
Go down a rung.
FF 5d3, 2nd best (19pt) af, not as good (3.9fps) framerate Vs 1.6x 7d, 2nd best (19pt) af, 2nd best (8fps) framerate.

Sure, i'd be tempted by a 5d3, FF with ~25-30mp, 19pt AF, ~4fps.
but it'll be a lot more expensive than the 7d (or 7d2), which will have higher noise, aps-c, 8fps, etc.
even if i buy a 5d2 (or 5d3), you can guarantee i'm still taking my 7d (or 7d2) out into the field with a Great White Prime (if i could afford one) to shoot birds in good light.
same as if i had a 5d2 (or 5d3) and a 1d4 (or 1d3, 1d5). 5d2 goes to the indoor low-light and hiking for wide landscapes, 1d4 goes with the tele lens for sports.
horses for courses.

Well, the 5D2 sales killing off some 1Ds makes sense. Same IQ for shooting weddings at a 3rd of the price? The 5D2 can do it! But it can't hit a moving object well and the 7D can.
But I should have made my statement more clear: If the 5d picks up the 7d auto focus with a even just a 5fps rate (like the 1ds) there is not much sense in carrying around a 7d. Unless, however, the 7Ds IQ improves dramatically, which I doubt will happen anytime soon.

Then the price point. My thoughts is there is a point in amateur or weekend-pro photography where there is,are diminishing returns (I actually spoke with a pro about this) and it seems to be around $2500 usd. So, anything beyond that, for a least me anyway, would have to be freakin' fantastic and again negate the need for a 7D back-up. So, if MY theory holds, price between a new 7D and 5D will be as close again. Not a huge jump like going from 5d to 1D, 1D to 1Ds.

 

[Edwin Herdman]

The Mark III refresh being postponed for a 1D Mark V doesn't really make sense to me because, even with a 7D-like (or far better) AF sensor, I'd guess it'll still likely be a far cry from the Mark V's. The old 39 point sensor of the 1D Mark II / N strikes me as possibly being, even today, an upgrade from the relatively simple AF sensor of the 5D Mark II.

And the 7D being mentioned - well, the 7D having a much better AF sensor than the 5D hasn't been seen to prevent Canon from releasing it out of deference to the Mark II. Sometimes it's just tech's time to go.

My personal thought is that these lines should be regarded and released separately, as pros require. The 1.3x crop factor sounds somewhat useful for sports photographers and possibly PJs, but so is the 1.6x crop (on the other hand that 1.3x crop seems to have significantly better DR and ISO than even the best APS-C crop camera, which would tip the balance for many pros). On the other hand, having the best-est and most up-to-date-est DSLR be a 1.3x crop instead of a FF is a significant drawback for studio photographers. It's not just DR or burst speed, but it's a mix of these things and more. Plus, the direct access controls of the 1D series bodies would be very welcome in challenging situations.

 

[shorthand]

Along these lines, a new Wi-Fi module from Canon just cleared the FCC at the end of June. Interestingly, look at the size - its perfectly sized to be a small part of a pro-sized DSLR.

• Entire filing: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=196165&fcc_id=%27AZDBM70659%27
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  Picture of Wi-Fi module: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=1491896

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Along these lines, a new Wi-Fi module from Canon just cleared the FCC at the end of June. Interestingly, look at the size - its perfectly sized to be a small part of a pro-sized DSLR.

• Entire filing: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=196165&fcc_id=%27AZDBM70659%27
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  Picture of Wi-Fi module: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=1491896

The link is to a letter sayings It will be only equipped in a "Medical Device" and for indoor use only.

Why would anyone remotely think its for a camera??

 

[chuckjr]

Let's face it, how many of us own DSLRs we bought more than two years ago?
Maybe those early ($8k a pop) adopters of the 1Ds are using three year old bodies but since then so much has changed that Canon has to make an effort to differentiate the bodies and make the super pro level camera worth the extra $3-$5K over the 5D (or equivalent full frame).

 

[shorthand]

I didn't have time to read the full filing ... so definitely scratch that "insight".

I was actually looking for a filing on a new RF flash controller from Canon - nothing yet on that front, which means that they're either cutting it close or won't be shipping anything until October at the earliest.