1Ds Mark IV/1D Mark V Spec List [CR1]

[GMCPhotographics]

For some reason I just glommed on to the fps. Assuming they didn't make a major change to the internal bus, 3fps sound about right for 32mp. What seem really cool to me is that the 7 and 9fps number work out just about right for cropping to APS-H and APS-C equivilents. Obviously they could also be talking about the difference between a large, medium, and small raw output that doesn't crop, but stays full frame on a effectively smaller res sensor. In theory we could be looking at 9 options...large/med/small for each of full/aps-h/aps-c. That would make it a first rate replacment for both the 1d and 1ds. The only problem is they would need some internal optics to magnify the image in the viewfinder so you would see the effective crop through the lens. Nothing about the design suggests this.

Sorry, I know I'm a bit new here to be speculating so wildly, but the info is just so suggestive.

I would hope that with new dual Digic V processors, a new 1D series DSLR could process shoot faster than 3 fps at full resolution. Heck, the current 7D does 18MP at 8 fps (144 MP/sec). 32 MP at 3 fps would only be 96 MP/sec. Processors have advanced in the years between models. I would expect significant performance improvements. 32 MP at 9 fps doesn't sound absurd to me.

We've been told by Canon that the dual digic 5 is good for about 240mb/s, so I'm guessing that the full frame 32mp will work out to 7fps. I'm also guessing that 9 fps will only be possible with a resolution drop or 1.3x crop mode to 24mp. Even so, stunning specs and probably Canon's most versatile camera to date...lets hope the price isn't too prohibitive! I'm also speculating that this gives Canon a lot of room for the 5DIII's resolution, eg 24 or 32mp.

 

[gargy]

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What does this SAT dial do?
USM dial is for microadjust?

Better check the full picture

 

[Edwin Herdman]

Besides, does Canon make most of its money on bodies or lenses... on that point I have no idea. Maybe they lose money on DSLRs and make all the green selling printer ink!

Canon needs to make money on everything: As they sell millions and millions every year, losing money on each unit is not an option. Ditto on lenses. This is not a razors and blades situation. It's not a Microsoft Xbox situation either.

 

[amarlez]

We've been told by Canon that the dual digic 5 is good for about 240mb/s, so I'm guessing that the full frame 32mp will work out to 7fps. I'm also guessing that 9 fps will only be possible with a resolution drop or 1.3x crop mode to 24mp. Even so, stunning specs and probably Canon's most versatile camera to date...lets hope the price isn't too prohibitive! I'm also speculating that this gives Canon a lot of room for the 5DIII's resolution, eg 24 or 32mp.

When did they say that?

And that picture is OBVIOUSLY a fake — the screen isn't big enough.

 

[motorhead]

Stunning specs? Not from where I'm sitting.

Any replacement for the 1Ds has to offer a lot more than 32mp AND give me the improved DR Canon have already promised us. The specs are for a 1Ds they could (and nearly did) offer us a while ago. Expectations move on, 32mp no longer cuts it for me.

I'm completely unmoved by fps figures, or high ISO or video. Maybe that makes me odd, I don't know, but as Canons market leading pro camera I'd expect better. Merging the ID and 1Ds lines will only make sense if they don't dumb down to the 1D level, but instead offer the very best.

 

[SuperNiceNina]

News/rumours coming out of the trade and the smoking booths say:

New 32 > 35 Mp body within one month priced at about £3500 GBP. This must be 1Ds MKIV.

I see a 3D (think about the model name!) being a 5D with enhanced video features. Plus a new 5D with improved focus and frame rate and current video features (full frame 20+ Mp sensor with 7D feature set ).

Allegedly Canon have a 60Mp sensor in their bottom draw but the glass needs to be improved before the resolution can be realised.

 

[JasonM]

Besides, does Canon make most of its money on bodies or lenses... on that point I have no idea. Maybe they lose money on DSLRs and make all the green selling printer ink!

Canon needs to make money on everything: As they sell millions and millions every year, losing money on each unit is not an option. Ditto on lenses. This is not a razors and blades situation. It's not a Microsoft Xbox situation either.

Fair enough but my comment that perhaps they lose money on DSLRs was not meant seriously. Point is that we don't know what their margins are or what the optimal price and volume projections might be for a merged 1D series body if they choose to do that. Canon has the best information and will price accordingly and, based on nothing more than typical business practices, I imagine a merged body could be profitably priced lower than the current 1Ds3 and possibly as low as the 1D4. And by the way it's not inconceivable that a company could lose money on a low-volume flagship product to drive professional adoption and create brand cache to drive billions in sales of consumer-level devices. Equally conceivable is losing money on the entry-level model to get consumers into the brand and then make money when they move up to higher models. We can only speculate and we'll mostly be wrong but it sure is fun.

 

[Haydn1971]

Most of what is in the OP is more evolution than revolution, my expectation of the new high end sensor was in the high 30's, low 40's in terms of mpx, but if there is any truth I'm the 32mpx suggestion, I'd strongly expect that the 4 years evolution has gone into more than just a 50% boost in mpx and actually sees better high ISO performance, but I'm not convinced by the framerate of 9fps, nor that the 1D range will be split, unless something more high end is in the making - Canon Medium Format perhaps ? How about a top of the range MF for around $10k (body) with a 5D for today i.e. Entry level MF in a $4k body ? Then have a merged FF 1D range, as per the OP, plus a 5DIII with the same 32mpx sensor ?

 

[victorengel]

If that's a 3.2 inch screen pictured, how big does that make the camera? Maybe that's the surprise. The new camera is actually medium format!

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

AHA! I Knew there'd be a new battery!

It something wrong with the one they use now?

No. Not at all. As a matter of fact I'm always amazed how long just one battery lasts in my 5DII and 7D, both pushing the 400 2.8 with IS always on. They're freaking mind-boggling dependable (even in sub 40 F).

BUT. I've a sneaking suspicion the are working on 1) A super-plastic to replace magnesium alloy.
2) a smaller, lighter battery.

You heard it here first from Uncle F

The battery on the 1D MK III and MK IV blows away my 7D and 5D MK II batteries a very large number of shots new, but I've had to buy two new ones after 2-1/2 years as they have gone down hill faster than expected.

The 1 Series camera batteries are in a class by themselves as compared to other Canon Li-on batteries for both capacity and battery life.

I doubt batteries will get smaller, video / liveview just eats up battery life, and its being used more and more. In addition, a much more powerful processor to be able to process 30 plus MP at 9 FPS is going to gobble power as well. So it sounds like more capacity would be needed for the rumored camera.

 

[messus]

"too many pixels for a 1D and too few for a 1Ds"

Why "too many" for 1D? The 1D4 has a 16MP crop sensor because even Dual DIGIC4 couldn't process 10fps at 21MP. If dual or single DIGIC5 can process the new FF sensor resolution at 8-10fps then there is no reason to have two 1D bodies. Producing and marketing two bodies is more expensive than one so there has to be a compelling reason for Canon to continue with a 1D and a 1Ds.

Why "too few for a 1DS"? That would be a 50% increase over the current 21MP.

I agree though about the 5D3 taking over for the 1Ds... perhaps 1D5 and 5D3 will have the same sensor and the main difference will be Dual DIGIC5 in the 1D5 (9fps and best in class build quality/ruggedness) and single DIGIC5 in the 5D3 (4fps). 7D2 will also be single DIGIC5 but crop sensor of about 20MP will allow 8fps?

Why should the 5D3 get "only" single DIGIC5 chips? Remember a HUGE part of the success of the 5D2 is due to its video capabilities. I know lot's of people hate video in DSLR, but let's face it, times are changing, and I am sure the Nikon D4 will have improved video capabilities over the D3s AND the 5D2 !!!

And my point is, I know a lot of people are expecting improved video capabilites from the 5D3, maybe RAW movie mode, maybe 4K movie resolution, maybe both. Both putting huge demands on the computing capabilities of the 5D3 = Dual DIGIC 5 !! I am one of these hoping for both. If not, I may be forced to go to Nikon if the D4 delivers as rumored.

Also, with USB 3.0 and UDMA7 memory cards (100MBps + write speed), which many expect on the 5D3, Dual DIGIC5 chips may be required to be able to handle the transfer/write speed, as well as the buffering/cache on the camera. (Also, when working with timelapse, as I am, and many many more are doing every day now, we are limited to 1,5fps withe the bottleneck of 32MBps write speed to UDMA6 cards on both the 1Ds and the 5D2).

Bring me the good stuff Canon!!!

 

[JasonM]

Why should the 5D3 get "only" single DIGIC5 chips?

Why do you say "only" single DIGIC5"... If a single DIGIC5 is sufficient then that's what Canon will put in. Those chips can't be cheap so they won't put it in for no reason. My point was that if dual processors are not needed to achieve high fps then it will get single. Likewise, 7D2 will only get single DIGIC5 if it can achieve high enough fps for the crop sensor.... current 7D has Dual DIGIC4 because it's needed. Good point though, improved video capabilities may necessitate dual DIGIC5 and you're right I wasn't considering video but single DIGIC5 may be able to handle whatever improved video capabilities you'd like to see. It may also be more complex and less efficient to break up video processing across dual processors than it is to simply alternate between processors for successive still images each handled by a single processor.

 

[Kernuak]

News/rumours coming out of the trade and the smoking booths say:

New 32 > 35 Mp body within one month priced at about £3500 GBP. This must be 1Ds MKIV.

I'd be surprised at that sort of price point, at least on announcement, as the 1DIV is currently around £3800, now that it's finally back in stock.

 

[waving_odd]

News/rumours coming out of the trade and the smoking booths say:

New 32 > 35 Mp body within one month priced at about £3500 GBP. This must be 1Ds MKIV.

I'd be surprised at that sort of price point, at least on announcement, as the 1DIV is currently around £3800, now that it's finally back in stock.

"New 32 > 35 Mp body": it might be 1Ds4.
"£3500 GBP": it MUST NOT be 1Ds4 - it can only be 1D or lower.

 

[V8Beast]

Why is having "only" 32 megapixels so disappointing? All the specs seem worthy of the long-rumored 1D/1Ds merger/replacement. The 1Ds was 11.1 megapixles, the 1DsII was 16.7 megapixels, and the 1DsIII is 21.1 megapixels. If the rumored 32 megapixels are correct, then this would represent the biggest model-to-model jump in pixels in the history of the 1Ds lineage.

Just out of curiosity, for those that feel 32 megapixels aren't sufficient, what type of shooting do you do that requires more?

 

[akiskev]

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What does this SAT dial do?
USM dial is for microadjust?

Better check the full picture

Now it all makes sense! Thanks mate!

 

[macfly]

Just out of curiosity, for those that feel 32 megapixels aren't sufficient, what type of shooting do you do that requires more?

A lot! Like shooting a car in a landscape frm a helicopter, or a movie poster, or an image you want to print 6' wide for a gallery show. I love my MKlll, but if I was to put together a show tomorow most of the images in it would be from the H2/H3-Phase combo becuase they just have the quality to go big. I'm already banging on the ceiling of the P65+ so I was really hoping Canon would get us into the 40's, especially since they showed they can get 120MP on a chip a year or two ago. 32mp isn't bad, but it isn't what I was hoping for, and it still keeps the 35mm FF form factor to an also run, not a use it for everything camera.

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

Looks like a simple fantasy spec list collated from previous rumors. 32MP FF is just 450D/1100D pixel density, so that's easily predictable. 3/7/9 FPS is BS since the past 2 versions have selectable framerates from 1-10, why regress from that pro feature. The other specs we'll all read before. Nothing new here.

 

[V8Beast]

A lot! Like shooting a car in a landscape frm a helicopter, or a movie poster, or an image you want to print 6' wide for a gallery show. I love my MKlll, but if I was to put together a show tomorow most of the images in it would be from the H2/H3-Phase combo becuase they just have the quality to go big. I'm already banging on the ceiling of the P65+ so I was really hoping Canon would get us into the 40's, especially since they showed they can get 120MP on a chip a year or two ago. 32mp isn't bad, but it isn't what I was hoping for, and it still keeps the 35mm FF form factor to an also run, not a use it for everything camera.

I'm humbled that a photographer of your immense talent frequents a forum like this. With that out of the way, I assumed photographers of your caliber primarily relied on a medium format to capture the types of images (mega-enlargements) you describe? Maybe 35mm bodies will get there someday, but it might take a few more generations of updates for that to happen. I think it's fairly safe to say that your needs exceed that of most potential 1DsIV buyers. There can't be that many people that shoot landscapes out of a helicopter

 

[macfly]

Thanks - just like everyone else I'm keen to know what my next tool will be! I guess I'm pretty married to my cameras because I'm out working with them several times a week, and bumping up against their limits day after day, so you can see how one gets a bit obsessed about what's next.