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1Ds Mark IV & 5D Mark II Merry-Go-Round
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I wish it's the 1Ds4 'cos it'll give us a clearer picture of what lies ahead.
The one thing I desire most at this point is a phenomenal increase in low ISO dynamic range for Canon sensors. If it gets implemented in the 1Ds4 camera, we'll most likely see it roll out in subsequent camera releases too.
I wish it's the 1Ds4 'cos it'll give us a clearer picture of what lies ahead.
The one thing I desire most at this point is a phenomenal increase in low ISO dynamic range for Canon sensors. If it gets implemented in the 1Ds4 camera, we'll most likely see it roll out in subsequent camera releases too.
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1. They already re-visited the 100-300L with the 70-300L.
2. The 300mm reach 2.8s of any sort are not exactly for the field sports shooters on a budget and the ones with more budget would use a prime on one body and a 70-200 2.8 on a second body (which could also be used for indoor sports without 300mm bulk at other times). The 120-300 2.8 from Canon would surely cost even more than their prime, although I'm sure there are those who would prefer it all in one lens.
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1. They already re-visited the 100-300L with the 70-300L.
2. The 300mm reach 2.8s of any sort are not exactly for the field sports shooters on a budget and the ones with more budget would use a prime on one body and a 70-200 2.8 on a second body (which could also be used for indoor sports without 300mm bulk at other times). The 120-300 2.8 from Canon would surely cost even more than their prime, although I'm sure there are those who would prefer it all in one lens.
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They already re-did the 75-300 with the 70-300 IS and the 100-300L with the 70-300L IS.
A 50 1.4 with working real USM would be nice but Canon seem dead set against it.
I don't like the 24-105 but I don't see them fixing that either since too many jump to it's defense, why who knows, but they do.
It's got to be the 24-70.
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They already re-did the 75-300 with the 70-300 IS and the 100-300L with the 70-300L IS.
A 50 1.4 with working real USM would be nice but Canon seem dead set against it.
I don't like the 24-105 but I don't see them fixing that either since too many jump to it's defense, why who knows, but they do.
It's got to be the 24-70.
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Ultimately, the Sigma is a very good and useful lens at an exceptional price and Canon simply doesn't have a direct answer to it. The 120-300mm f/2.8 lenses have been around for years (in one incarnation or another), though, so maybe Canon simply doesn't care.
Not with an f/2.8 aperture. Maybe I wrote a lot but I thought I took pains to make clear that the f/2.8 aperture zoom is selling Sigma lenses in this range. It may be "specialized" but it's also incredibly useful.LetTheRightLensIn said:
Granted the 300mm f/2.8 lenses aren't cheap, but the Sigma is only $3200 (its launch price). Perhaps this is a case of Sigma putting out a lens at a price point Canon can't (or won't) match, but I think that if they wanted to compete in this arena they could. The 70-200 f/2.8 mark II being around $2400 doesn't bode well for the price of a version that reaches 300mm, but on the other hand I really don't see how it would have to reach the price level of the primes.
Ultimately, the Sigma is a very good and useful lens at an exceptional price and Canon simply doesn't have a direct answer to it. The 120-300mm f/2.8 lenses have been around for years (in one incarnation or another), though, so maybe Canon simply doesn't care.
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Interestingly enough, not only does the Adorama page not have much in the way of technical details, it might not even be fundamentally accurate in the product description. Schneider's own website declares the lens to be a f/4.5 aperture one. Unfortunately, still can't find any minimum focus distance or maximum magnification spec there. Might give them a call since it's an interesting lens. I don't see it competing with the TS-E 90mm f/2.8 for a number of reasons. On the other hand, if they simply released this lens in EF mount (well, or not, given the larger amount of glass needed for medium format being less useful on a 35mm body) it would be quite interesting, though Canon has been catching up with their own apochromat-like designs in the TS-E space. You can definitely tell Schneider's main focus is medium format here.
Thanks for those links.neuroanatomist said:
Interestingly enough, not only does the Adorama page not have much in the way of technical details, it might not even be fundamentally accurate in the product description. Schneider's own website declares the lens to be a f/4.5 aperture one. Unfortunately, still can't find any minimum focus distance or maximum magnification spec there. Might give them a call since it's an interesting lens. I don't see it competing with the TS-E 90mm f/2.8 for a number of reasons. On the other hand, if they simply released this lens in EF mount (well, or not, given the larger amount of glass needed for medium format being less useful on a 35mm body) it would be quite interesting, though Canon has been catching up with their own apochromat-like designs in the TS-E space. You can definitely tell Schneider's main focus is medium format here.
Well, I've heard the opposite regarding the 100-400mm in particular from a store rep. "Massive" doesn't necessarily mean this is a lens that is going to be put out there in hopes of competing with the kit lens that most people keep on their camera. We don't even know where this word "massive" got inserted into the storyline, and it might not be Canon's choice.
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From http://www.dpreview.com/news/1009/10091705schneiderkrueznachtslens.asp
"Schneider-Kreuznach has launched three new tilt-shift lenses for digital single-lens reflex cameras with full-frame image sensor: Super-Angulon 2.8/50 mm HM, Makro-Symmar 4.0/90 mm HM and APO-Digitar 5.6/120 mm HM Aspheric."
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From http://www.dpreview.com/news/1009/10091705schneiderkrueznachtslens.asp
"Schneider-Kreuznach has launched three new tilt-shift lenses for digital single-lens reflex cameras with full-frame image sensor: Super-Angulon 2.8/50 mm HM, Makro-Symmar 4.0/90 mm HM and APO-Digitar 5.6/120 mm HM Aspheric."
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Just give me something I can use:
5DIII with good AF, better dynamic range, video AF, better high ISO, no moire
and a new irresistible lens: deadly 35 1.4 or 50 1.2, improved 24-70, or innovation of the 24 -105 (maybe better IS and powered zoom for video, controlled by the camera?)
I must admit, I am counting on Canon to amaze me.
Just give me something I can use:
5DIII with good AF, better dynamic range, video AF, better high ISO, no moire
and a new irresistible lens: deadly 35 1.4 or 50 1.2, improved 24-70, or innovation of the 24 -105 (maybe better IS and powered zoom for video, controlled by the camera?)
I must admit, I am counting on Canon to amaze me.
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I have to ask - how are these $3,500+ lenses competition for Canon? I got the TS-E 90mm for a third that price, like new. Brand-new copies bought online are still well below a third the asking price. The 120mm is an interesting option with APO and aspherical construction but too slow and even more expensive at just under $5000.
It's one thing to say that a $3200 f/2.8 zoom from Sigma with all the bells and whistles is competition for Canon, but it's another to say that Schneider glass, as good as it may be, that is slower is going to sell in bundles to pros for that amount. Maybe the Canons are a relative compromise but even the older TS-E 90mm is perfectly acceptable most of the time. A new version might go a long ways towards correcting its few deficiencies (though the restricted amount of movements is one area the Canon is unlikely to correct and where the Schneider is winning, but this might not be immediately obvious to most photographers even when they have used the lens for a while).
I see the lens focuses down to at least 3 feet.J. McCabe said:
I have to ask - how are these $3,500+ lenses competition for Canon? I got the TS-E 90mm for a third that price, like new. Brand-new copies bought online are still well below a third the asking price. The 120mm is an interesting option with APO and aspherical construction but too slow and even more expensive at just under $5000.
It's one thing to say that a $3200 f/2.8 zoom from Sigma with all the bells and whistles is competition for Canon, but it's another to say that Schneider glass, as good as it may be, that is slower is going to sell in bundles to pros for that amount. Maybe the Canons are a relative compromise but even the older TS-E 90mm is perfectly acceptable most of the time. A new version might go a long ways towards correcting its few deficiencies (though the restricted amount of movements is one area the Canon is unlikely to correct and where the Schneider is winning, but this might not be immediately obvious to most photographers even when they have used the lens for a while).
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I like that a few of us are thinking a "specialist" TS of some description is in the works. Now we just get to sit and find out if we're looking at a 45, 90 or both redesign.
I like your idea of a 180 L Macro Edwin; my bank account probably wouldn't.
I don't buy the idea of a 100-300, even as a f/2.8 as being a good market for Canon to pounce on. I think its far better to convince people to go for a 70-200 at the stunning and "affordable" price of $2400. I imagine a 100-300 at a f/2.8 would range around the $2800-3200 mark, and would drive people toward the slower 70-300 or the primes. Possibly even the rumoured 200-400mm.
Also noted that everyone seems to believe the 50mm is a candidate for the massively popular lens. I would argue the 50mm f/1.8 is a better candidate than the f/1.4 or f/1.2, but I don't think the price point is a place where Canon can go any lower, unfortunately for those of us that love them. I think the f/1.4 would be the possible offender.
Still, no words on the other primes? I think the primes deserve a good look at for the new versions.
I like that a few of us are thinking a "specialist" TS of some description is in the works. Now we just get to sit and find out if we're looking at a 45, 90 or both redesign.
I like your idea of a 180 L Macro Edwin; my bank account probably wouldn't.
I don't buy the idea of a 100-300, even as a f/2.8 as being a good market for Canon to pounce on. I think its far better to convince people to go for a 70-200 at the stunning and "affordable" price of $2400. I imagine a 100-300 at a f/2.8 would range around the $2800-3200 mark, and would drive people toward the slower 70-300 or the primes. Possibly even the rumoured 200-400mm.
Also noted that everyone seems to believe the 50mm is a candidate for the massively popular lens. I would argue the 50mm f/1.8 is a better candidate than the f/1.4 or f/1.2, but I don't think the price point is a place where Canon can go any lower, unfortunately for those of us that love them. I think the f/1.4 would be the possible offender.
Still, no words on the other primes? I think the primes deserve a good look at for the new versions.
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