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5D Mark III & The Rest [CR2]

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<strong>The Next DSLR?

</strong>I’m told we’ll be seeing the 5D Mark III announced in October, with delivery shortly there after. I was not given any specs, which is probably a good sign.</p>
<p>We <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2011/02/what-next/">said originally</a>, that the 5D Mark III would come before a 1Ds Mark IV or similar camera. Things appear to have come full circle and negate a lot of what I’ve been told this fall in regards to the 5D3.</p>
<p><strong>Next Announcement Date?

</strong>We have the middle of September, possibly September 13-September 15 timeframe for a few more PowerShots. Some folks don’t read the site all that well and have posted other dates quoting us.</p>
<p>We should see the S95 & SX30 successors.</p>
<p>G13? We have heard absolutely nothing about a new G camera. It’s genrally on a 1 year product cycle, which would make it due for replacement any day now.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>
 
Although 5D2 is due for replacement so is the 1D MK IV and especially 1Ds MKIII.

Canon will certainly announce a pro camera far before the 2012 sports season, which includes the european championship soccer and the olympics.

That means Canon needs to have time to be able to supply all those thousands of sports photographers.
They will and have never done this just before such events, but always month before these events will take place.

Even a pro needs to get used to his new camera, even if it just has the same look and feel. Every camera is still very different.

Therefore my bet is that a 1D(s) replacement will be first, followed by the 5D3.
Unless we will see a 3D(s) first, which is very unlikely to be announced anytime soon.
 
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What? Has Canon abandon their pro shooters? A 5D would not survive 2 months in the condition I shoot and my 1DII is getting very old. Yes I could get a IV but this time I'm hoping for a FF 1D or 1Ds.

It doesn't make sens that Canon announce a 5DIII before a new 1Ds...

What a bummer. I hope this is not how they will play it.
 
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match14 said:
Shnookums said:
What? Has Canon abandon their pro shooters? A 5D would not survive 2 months in the condition I shoot and my 1DII is getting very old. Yes I could get a IV but this time I'm hoping for a FF 1D or 1Ds.

What conditions are those?

When it rains, I can't stop. When it's -45 degree Celsius in Siberia, I have to take shots. Than there is thise days when the camera is so dirty that I have to put it in bath and wash it with the shower before taking the lens off.

Of course I pay attention to the gear also. I don't expose it if I don't have too. But I'm never gonna loose a shot because my camera is too weak to survive it. In my case, a 5D is useless. Unless they put 45 point AF and complete weather protection to it.
 
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Shnookums said:
match14 said:
Shnookums said:
What? Has Canon abandon their pro shooters? A 5D would not survive 2 months in the condition I shoot and my 1DII is getting very old. Yes I could get a IV but this time I'm hoping for a FF 1D or 1Ds.

What conditions are those?

When it rains, I can't stop. When it's -45 degree Celsius in Siberia, I have to take shots. Than there is thise days when the camera is so dirty that I have to put it in bath and wash it with the shower before taking the lens off.

Of course I pay attention to the gear also. I don't expose it if I don't have too. But I'm never gonna loose a shot because my camera is too weak to survive it. In my case, a 5D is useless. Unless they put 45 point AF and complete weather protection to it.

Any recommendations for shooting in -45C temperatures? What gear do you use, and do you use any gear protection ? I'm having a trip soon and i'm sure i'm going to run into those kinds of temperatures, to the point of where i'm thinking in buying a 1DsIII and even then i'm not sure about the camera survivability or battery duration. Camera operator survivability is an issue as well.
 
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te4o said:
Shnookums, not everyone needs a Kalashnikov to take photos, but I am sure you'll get a new one soon!
Привет!

I know not everyone needs this. Perfectly understandable too. But Canon needs to acknowledge that some people do need it. And they are way passed due on the 1Ds update timeline.
 
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autochrome said:
Shnookums said:
match14 said:
Shnookums said:
What? Has Canon abandon their pro shooters? A 5D would not survive 2 months in the condition I shoot and my 1DII is getting very old. Yes I could get a IV but this time I'm hoping for a FF 1D or 1Ds.

What conditions are those?

When it rains, I can't stop. When it's -45 degree Celsius in Siberia, I have to take shots. Than there is thise days when the camera is so dirty that I have to put it in bath and wash it with the shower before taking the lens off.

Of course I pay attention to the gear also. I don't expose it if I don't have too. But I'm never gonna loose a shot because my camera is too weak to survive it. In my case, a 5D is useless. Unless they put 45 point AF and complete weather protection to it.

Any recommendations for shooting in -45C temperatures? What gear do you use, and do you use any gear protection ? I'm having a trip soon and i'm sure i'm going to run into those kinds of temperatures, to the point of where i'm thinking in buying a 1DsIII and even then i'm not sure about the camera survivability or battery duration. Camera operator survivability is an issue as well.

Best recommendation I can do is keep battery warm. Store them in inner pockets and swap them often. The LCD of the camera will freeze too. So you can't really review pictures. At -45 it take a good 10 seconds for the image to appear on the LCD.

I don't use any protection but keep a plastic bag on you and seal the camera in it when you get inside. This will protect it from most condensation. I also try not to use flash. Because it produce heat and the temperature difference makes me worried it might crack the case.

Watch for blizzard and temperature change as this will affect the front of the lens and your ability to shoot. Ih and try not putting yourself in danger to much... I believe a camera should follow you and survive but even if a camera can survive it doesn't mean you will.

Be safe.
 
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I love how serious this post is getting. "Be safe". I've been up to 6088m with a 5D. Batteries had to live in my mountain gloves and gotta bag it before bringing it inside - Don't want condensation getting in. But it survived fine and dandy. Probably not quite -45 but it felt pretty damn cold!

Let's face it - all the cameras are overdue but canon will sell a lot more 5D mk III's than a new 1D/1Ds.

I guess we'll have to find out soon enough.
 
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Shnookums said:
match14 said:
Shnookums said:
What? Has Canon abandon their pro shooters? A 5D would not survive 2 months in the condition I shoot and my 1DII is getting very old. Yes I could get a IV but this time I'm hoping for a FF 1D or 1Ds.

What conditions are those?

When it rains, I can't stop. When it's -45 degree Celsius in Siberia, I have to take shots. Than there is thise days when the camera is so dirty that I have to put it in bath and wash it with the shower before taking the lens off.

Of course I pay attention to the gear also. I don't expose it if I don't have too. But I'm never gonna loose a shot because my camera is too weak to survive it. In my case, a 5D is useless. Unless they put 45 point AF and complete weather protection to it.

Damn... and I complain about English winters ;) And I never thought that showering with a camera would ever come up on a legitimate discussion forum....
 
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5D3 before a 1Ds3 replacement?

Nope, don't buy this, never have done...

Canon only have one DSLR without video, it dates from 2007, it has Digic3 processors - it's supposedly top of their range...

If CR says this October, then I'm inclined to go for it being the star of Photokina 2012 ;-)
 
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Shnookums said:
What? Has Canon abandon their pro shooters? A 5D would not survive 2 months in the condition I shoot and my 1DII is getting very old. Yes I could get a IV but this time I'm hoping for a FF 1D or 1Ds.

It doesn't make sens that Canon announce a 5DIII before a new 1Ds...

What a bummer. I hope this is not how they will play it.

I wouldnt be supprized if Canon's annoucements are much more bunched up this product cycle than they have been previously due to events in Japan. Idealy there going to want to leave a bit of a gap between them but if its a choice between that and getting pro's supplied before next summer I think they'll go with the latter.

Personally I think we'll see a new 7D mk2 much sooner than most people believe aswell.
 
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I have said in prior posts I fully believed the 5d would come out BEFORE the 1d or 1ds. The 5d mark ii crushed 1ds3 sales due to the same sensor, fraction of the cost... I believed canon learned their lesson, release the new 5d first, then after 6 months or so (after the initial rush and hype has settled a tad), come out with an even better 1ds that would make peoples mouths water... that way people have the incentive to buy the 5d AND the 1d, rather than just the 5d.

shnookums, dont be so quick about saying canon has abandoned the pro shooters... I'm a pro shooter and frankly, for what I shoot, the 5d would be a better tool for me that the 1ds. Yes I would love to have a 1d in my lineup, but the results and quality of the 5d to the 1d, in final output, to me, doesn't justify the price. Then to some, such as large agencies and corporations, perhaps the 1ds is worth it. In the end, as pro, we get paid to know how to best utilize our gear to provide the best photos possible to our clients, no? Being pro doesn't mean you always shoot with the best gear.
 
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bornshooter said:
i believe this to be the most accurate rumour they will release the 5d mk3 plenty of xmas sales me being one :D and they will leave the big boys till a couple of months before the games and will sell plenty of those too :D
merry xmas to me :D

If Canon start releasing camera based on Christmas I'll be damned. Xmas doesn't mean anything for most of the population of this planet.
 
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awinphoto said:
I have said in prior posts I fully believed the 5d would come out BEFORE the 1d or 1ds. The 5d mark ii crushed 1ds3 sales due to the same sensor, fraction of the cost... I believed canon learned their lesson, release the new 5d first, then after 6 months or so (after the initial rush and hype has settled a tad), come out with an even better 1ds that would make peoples mouths water... that way people have the incentive to buy the 5d AND the 1d, rather than just the 5d.

shnookums, dont be so quick about saying canon has abandoned the pro shooters... I'm a pro shooter and frankly, for what I shoot, the 5d would be a better tool for me that the 1ds. Yes I would love to have a 1d in my lineup, but the results and quality of the 5d to the 1d, in final output, to me, doesn't justify the price. Then to some, such as large agencies and corporations, perhaps the 1ds is worth it. In the end, as pro, we get paid to know how to best utilize our gear to provide the best photos possible to our clients, no? Being pro doesn't mean you always shoot with the best gear.

I don't think it makes to come out with a 5D before a 1Ds. But anyway. I agree with you about the pro stuff. Being pro is not about the best gear. But I can't be pro if I can't take pictures. The 5D is useless for me, at least 30% of the time. I would never risk it. I would have to bring a 1D anyway even if I had a 5D around.
 
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moreorless said:
Personally I think we'll see a new 7D mk2 much sooner than most people believe aswell.

Who knows? the new rebel t4i? 650D will be announced next February like every year
if they do not have a new sensor to put in this camera (probably trickling down from a possible 7DII) they would have to use the 18mpx CMOS from the 7D a 5th time! (7D, 60D, 550D, 600D and 650D) or develop a new sensor for a rebel line (unlikely?)
 
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Shnookums said:
awinphoto said:
I have said in prior posts I fully believed the 5d would come out BEFORE the 1d or 1ds. The 5d mark ii crushed 1ds3 sales due to the same sensor, fraction of the cost... I believed canon learned their lesson, release the new 5d first, then after 6 months or so (after the initial rush and hype has settled a tad), come out with an even better 1ds that would make peoples mouths water... that way people have the incentive to buy the 5d AND the 1d, rather than just the 5d.

shnookums, dont be so quick about saying canon has abandoned the pro shooters... I'm a pro shooter and frankly, for what I shoot, the 5d would be a better tool for me that the 1ds. Yes I would love to have a 1d in my lineup, but the results and quality of the 5d to the 1d, in final output, to me, doesn't justify the price. Then to some, such as large agencies and corporations, perhaps the 1ds is worth it. In the end, as pro, we get paid to know how to best utilize our gear to provide the best photos possible to our clients, no? Being pro doesn't mean you always shoot with the best gear.

I don't think it makes to come out with a 5D before a 1Ds. But anyway. I agree with you about the pro stuff. Being pro is not about the best gear. But I can't be pro if I can't take pictures. The 5D is useless for me, at least 30% of the time. I would never risk it. I would have to bring a 1D anyway even if I had a 5D around.

I understand it depends on your situation and environment. For what it's worth i've taken my 7d out in blizzards and rain storms and had it handle just fine (not that i'd risk having it out in those conditions unnecessarily for too long) but if the new 5d gets the same or better weathersealing as the 7d, it could make many people second guess the ruggedness of the camera...

To me, as a photographer, I couldn't care less about what camera comes out first, selfishly i hope for the 5d first because I can utilize that first, but as someone thinking from canon's shoes, in this market, in this economy, and times, lets say they release the 5d first... people flock to the stores and order them, back orders occur... profits go up... then they go and release the 1d that is incredible... those who have bought the 5d's start second guessing... do they need the 5d or 1d or both... maybe they want the 1d so they sell the 5d used, buy the 1d... in canon's pocketbook, that's 2 purchases from 1 photographer rather than 1 purchase... With that in mind, it makes perfect sense, from a business perspective, to do the 5 first.
 
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