A BSI APS-C EOS R camera is coming in the second half of 2022 [CR2]

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Good news. I assume the information concerning the sensor is correct. Most probably all speculations concerning the R system are wrong. It must be the long awaited M5 Mark II or M7. Holding my breath...

Without bad jokes: It would be great if Canon didn't completely forget the users of the M system. I love my R5, but I also like the form factor of my M5. With a better sensor and IBIS, the M system will find buyers, too.
 

sanj

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It will arrive if there’s a market for it. We clearly differ in our opinions on whether or not that is the case. Rest assured, Canon has the data.
Of course, Canon does. You have told me, and others, several times the Canon is the world leader in crop sensor cameras. It seems logical to me that they would want to have a share in the crop sensor mirrorless cameras as well. Full power to them. They can perhaps sense that DSLR's are rapidly on the way out.
 

neuroanatomist

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You have told me, and others, several times the Canon is the world leader in crop sensor cameras. It seems logical to me that they would want to have a share in the crop sensor mirrorless cameras as well.
It seemed logical to Canon, too. Nearly a decade ago.

Perhaps you missed the introduction of the APS-C MILC called the EOS M back in 2012. It was followed by 9 additional M-series bodies. There is also a dedicated line of 8 EF-M lenses and an adapter allowing all EF and EF-S lenses to work on EOS M bodies.

What makes you think Canon needs a crop sensor EOS R to ‘have a share in the crop sensor mirrorless cameras’?
 
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sanj

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It seemed logical to Canon, too. Nearly a decade ago.

Perhaps you missed the introduction of the APS-C MILC called the EOS M back in 2012. It was followed by 9 additional M-series bodies. There is also a dedicated line of 8 EF-M lenses and an adapter allowing all EF and EF-S lenses to work on EOS M bodies.

What makes you think Canon needs a crop sensor EOS R to ‘have a share in the crop sensor mirrorless cameras’?
I am reacting to the post here.
 

Franklyok

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Camera makers have produced approximately 3.7 million APS-C cameras so far this year. But maybe you know better because you have more ‘brain resources’.
Yeah, I bet onlyfans porn industry is buying them.

In 10 - 15 years these 3.7 million units will end up on African soil and cause environmental shit. You, Sir, end up buying air filters , water filters and what not filters have you. Luckily there is component shortages. God sent issue. I hope it gives time to do more responsible and thoughtful decisions in order to avoid environmental disaster.

Btw my 5D3 still kicks ass, and feel bad about mindless buying.
 
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aceflibble

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BSI outside of Sony is mostly used to improve speed, so it's safe to assume this will be a 7D style body; something for the big field sports and wildlife shooters who need high pixel density and would be cropping anyway.
I wouldn't be totally surprised if this is more of a 90D 'all-rounder' model, since the speed could be leveraged for video too, but I'd think Canon would want to keep pushing 35mm for video for now, especially the R6. Considering that most video shoters have already moved to mirrorless anyway, it doesn't make much sense to put out another camera to cater to that audience while wildlife photographers are the one remaining holdouts still using SLRs. No other manufacturer has a really dedicated wildlife camera, and it's a demo that Canon have always had the biggest share of, so I'd imagine Canon will want to get a wildlife body out ASAP, get that market into their system before anyone else.

Especially now with the R3 out there, there will be a significant market who want that speed, that build quality, that durability and that AF, but also want more resolution 'reach' than any of the current RF bodies provide. The 7D2 still out-reaches even the R5, so something like a 28-32mp BSI APS-C sensor would really be the minimum required to get that crowd moving to RF. The 32mp sensor in the 90D and M6II is great, so if they reconfigure that into a BSI version and pair it with a better processor and a body with the durability and double card slots of the 7D... well, there's your no-brainer wildlife and long distance sports body, with nothing else on the market that could compare, currently.

BSI isn't quite cost-effective enough yet for it to be shoved into a real low-end body, and RF as a whole still is not yet ready to enter the true entry-level market (especially now a single battery is over £100 and even the cheapest 50mm is more than twice the price of the EF equivalent). Canon have made it very clear they are targetting the pros (and more-money-than-sense hobbyists) with RF first and will be getting to the lower end muchy later. Same approach as they took with EF and with the switch to digital. So anyone hoping for some kind of xxxxD/xxxD body should take another look at the industry's history, especially Canon's, and adjust their expectations.
 

tbgtomcom

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Just don’t let it happen again or you’ll hear about it 5 to 10 more times. I missed my chance at also showing you that I, too, know the right way to calculate it. Would you like to see the long version without the squaring?
I see people enjoy pouncing. :)
I see the calculation now from the others that have given me a stern lecture. I will fade into the hedges now.
 

neuroanatomist

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I am reacting to the post here.
Regardless of what you were reacting to, the statement you made, that Canon would want to have a share in the crop sensor mirrorless cameras, is illogical. Canon already does have a share in the crop MILC market. A very large one.
 

sanj

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Regardless of what you were reacting to, the statement you made, that Canon would want to have a share in the crop sensor mirrorless cameras, is illogical. Canon already does have a share in the crop MILC market. A very large one.
Fantastic. Thanks for the correction. I needed it. Now I am a better person.
 
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neuroanatomist

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Yeah, I bet onlyfans porn industry is buying them.

In 10 - 15 years these 3.7 million units will end up on African soil and cause environmental shit. You, Sir, end up buying air filters , water filters and what not filters have you. Luckily there is component shortages. God sent issue. I hope it gives time to do more responsible and thoughtful decisions in order to avoid environmental disaster.

Btw my 5D3 still kicks ass, and feel bad about mindless buying.
Does your 5DIII take nice pictures of boxes for soap?
 

Talys

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The real question for me is price. I've always been a fan of the xxD and the Rebel bodies, more so than the M series, because of the software. At the right price (for example, if they could have something in the price range of a high end Rebel, I'd get one just for another body.
 

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I see people enjoy pouncing. :)
I see the calculation now from the others that have given me a stern lecture. I will fade into the hedges now.
I kind of feel bad for starting the corrections. However, I did enjoy how convoluted many of the "corrections" were. It seems many on this forum can't resist a complex answer when a simple one (XXMP x 1.6 x 1.6) would do.