And what does Canon do?

[Canonicon]

https://fstoppers.com/editorial/exclusive-red-has-big-plans-be-your-still-camera-maker-34469

Imagine a still camera that can shoot 16.5 stops dynamic range at 19 megapixels. It's also modular, which means it's infinitely customizable via proprietary and third party accessories. It can also use lenses by Canon, Nikon, and an huge library of PL mount cinema lenses. In addition, it can also shoot up to 6K RAW video files at the frame rates of 23.98, 24, 25, 29.97, 47.96, 48, 50, and 59.94. It would also have a similar form factor and size to popular digital medium format still camera systems. Sounds amazing right? When does it come out you say? It's out NOW.

And Canon? A rather boring 7D MK2....
It will sure not the Videographer camera this site and others hyped all the years.

 

[mkabi]

https://fstoppers.com/editorial/exclusive-red-has-big-plans-be-your-still-camera-maker-34469

Imagine a still camera that can shoot 16.5 stops dynamic range at 19 megapixels. It's also modular, which means it's infinitely customizable via proprietary and third party accessories. It can also use lenses by Canon, Nikon, and an huge library of PL mount cinema lenses. In addition, it can also shoot up to 6K RAW video files at the frame rates of 23.98, 24, 25, 29.97, 47.96, 48, 50, and 59.94. It would also have a similar form factor and size to popular digital medium format still camera systems. Sounds amazing right? When does it come out you say? It's out NOW.

And Canon? A rather boring 7D MK2....
It will sure not the Videographer camera this site and others hyped all the years.

This is not new....RED always had 6K RAW and has had a still camera for a while now.
The question is price. Your looking at 10s of thousands of dollars. A 1D-C pales in comparison.
And, by the authors final words, " I love my Phase One IQ140, but I definitely see the merit of getting comfortable with using my Scarlet more often on my future shoots."
Tells me that money and price is a non-issue for him.

 

[jrista]

Good grief. One HUNDRED frames per second. And people complain about 50mp image sizes...it doesn't matter if all you have is 19mp, at 100fps full RAW stills your going to eat all the disk space on the planet in less than a year!

 

[Don Haines]

Good grief. One HUNDRED frames per second. And people complain about 50mp image sizes...it doesn't matter if all you have is 19mp, at 100fps full RAW stills your going to eat all the disk space on the planet in less than a year!

19Mp... say 25MB raw files, that's only 2.5GB per second... it would take 26 minutes to fill up a 4Tb drive....

and then you have to sort through the pictures to see which frame best captured the squirrel

 

[Loswr]

What will Canon do? Release a 7DII/X that will sell thousands of units (if not tens of thousands) for every Red camera sold.

 

[wsmith96]

What is the point of this thread? This is a canon site. If you don't like what canon has to offer, then go to another forum. Pretty simple.

 

[dak723]

And what does Canon do?

They will continue to make affordable, easy-to-use, reliable, high quality cameras that everyone but pixel-peeping-fools will appreciate and enjoy.

 

[jrista]

Good grief. One HUNDRED frames per second. And people complain about 50mp image sizes...it doesn't matter if all you have is 19mp, at 100fps full RAW stills your going to eat all the disk space on the planet in less than a year!

19Mp... say 25MB raw files, that's only 2.5GB per second... it would take 26 minutes to fill up a 4Tb drive....

and then you have to sort through the pictures to see which frame best captured the squirrel

LOL. You would fill up nearly 81,000 4TB hard drives in a year. That's nearly 324Petabytes in a year. 8)

 

[wsmith96]

Good grief. One HUNDRED frames per second. And people complain about 50mp image sizes...it doesn't matter if all you have is 19mp, at 100fps full RAW stills your going to eat all the disk space on the planet in less than a year!

19Mp... say 25MB raw files, that's only 2.5GB per second... it would take 26 minutes to fill up a 4Tb drive....

and then you have to sort through the pictures to see which frame best captured the squirrel

LOL. You would fill up nearly 81,000 4TB hard drives in a year. That's nearly 324Petabytes in a year. 8)

I would hate to have to sort that.

 

[Loswr]

Good grief. One HUNDRED frames per second. And people complain about 50mp image sizes...it doesn't matter if all you have is 19mp, at 100fps full RAW stills your going to eat all the disk space on the planet in less than a year!

19Mp... say 25MB raw files, that's only 2.5GB per second... it would take 26 minutes to fill up a 4Tb drive....

and then you have to sort through the pictures to see which frame best captured the squirrel

LOL. You would fill up nearly 81,000 4TB hard drives in a year. That's nearly 324Petabytes in a year. 8)

I would hate to have to sort that.

Well, money is no object, right? Just hire a team of photographers to sort and process your images.

 

[3kramd5]

I wonder how Ford will respond to the new LaFerrari.

 

[mkabi]

Honestly, ppl. EVERYONE BUT PIXEL-PEEPING-FOOLS? It's the freakin pixel peepers who keep demanding more, who keep demanding technology progress, who keep demanding better IQ, which, in the long run...STILL BENEFITS YOU!!

Insatiable hunger... leads to nothing.

 

[wsmith96]

Good grief. One HUNDRED frames per second. And people complain about 50mp image sizes...it doesn't matter if all you have is 19mp, at 100fps full RAW stills your going to eat all the disk space on the planet in less than a year!

19Mp... say 25MB raw files, that's only 2.5GB per second... it would take 26 minutes to fill up a 4Tb drive....

and then you have to sort through the pictures to see which frame best captured the squirrel

LOL. You would fill up nearly 81,000 4TB hard drives in a year. That's nearly 324Petabytes in a year. 8)

I would hate to have to sort that.

Well, money is no object, right? Just hire a team of photographers to sort and process your images.

I'm cheap so I'll have to outsource, or as my company calls it, "right shoring"

 

[pwp]

How could you have anything but total admiration for a company like RED, shouldering into the market just 10 years ago, then following up with a string of awesome products. The trickle down will continue and as viable hybrid cameras increasingly become a commercial necessity for professional shooters, announcements like this one have a reassuring resonance.

Who knows? In the hybrid sector, this is the year of the crazy-good and hot-selling Panasonic GH4 (which I use for video work) and the low-light king, the Sony A7s. There may just be a RED in my future...

-pw

 

[jrista]

Honestly, ppl. EVERYONE BUT PIXEL-PEEPING-FOOLS? It's the freakin pixel peepers who keep demanding more, who keep demanding technology progress, who keep demanding better IQ, which, in the long run...STILL BENEFITS YOU!!

You make two flawed assumptions in that small paragraph.

One: THAT WE ARE ALL DEAF, and pay more attention to your diatribes when you put them in BOLD, or use excessive numbers of ;D 8) ??? : :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'( :'( :-* :-\ :-X :-[ : ??? 8) ;D emoticons

Two: That anybody that has any real input into the future tech is in the least bit interested in your, or any other forum posters, opinion.

You've once again entirely missed the point. It doesn't matter who it is, it doesn't need to be forum posters. There are a gazillion pixel peepers out there in the real world (just about every camera reviewer is one these days, too). The point is, if no one demanded better products, far fewer better products would be created. Demand is ultimately what invites companies to innovate and develop better products. When people demonstrate that they want something, someone, somewhere, usually responds to that want.

And example is the car rear-video sensor market. That market just EXPLODED, thanks to increased legislation and demand for legislation to require that all cars have rear-view backup cameras. Before there was the demand, there was no real interest in that market. Now that there is demand, all the major sensor manufacturers are vying for the top spot. Aptina, Sony, and a number of other manufacturers have all been publishing market domination plans, each one saying they want to have the dominant position in X number of years. From what I understand, it was a handful of vocal people who suffered one terrible accident with a child or other who ultimately got the legislation on the docket and passed in the first place. It was those same few people who kept the pressure on to get the necessary rules for the law finalized by the deadline, and now that it's been done...huge new market, lots of innovation, lots of new products.

By the tone on these forums, you would think no one wants anything better than what they had five or ten years ago. (I know that isn't true, it doesn't seem logical that the photographers on this forum wouldn't want a better camera in their hands......yet if it really is....wow...)

It isn't about one person's opinion. If a thousand, ten thousand, a million "pixel peepers" (read: people who care about getting improved IQ) demanded Canon change something (and not necessarily on forums...in writing, in person, at conferences to Canon reps, whatever)...do you think Canon would ignore them?

 

[preppyak]

Well, the Scarlet Dragon is what, $20k, and that's assuming you are only doing studio shoots with lots of free time to use one battery and one RedMag. By the time you get the batteries, the storage, the processing power, and the rig, you are easily over $30k for those features you mention.

And then of course, you're relying on manual focus if you really want accuracy...which kind of negates the advantage that 100fps gains you (do you really want to manual focus your sports/wildlife shoots?).

I'm more impressed with Blackmagic, who can give you 30fps (more than enough) at 8MP for 1/10th the price.

 

[9VIII]

They don't mention autofocus anywhere. Maximum ISO is 2000? 30mm sensor? It weighs five pounds and costs how much?
They may as well be selling a film camera.

 

[Lee Jay]

Good grief. One HUNDRED frames per second. And people complain about 50mp image sizes...it doesn't matter if all you have is 19mp, at 100fps full RAW stills your going to eat all the disk space on the planet in less than a year!

The raw files are wavelet compressed. Compression is selectable but 9:1 or so is not uncommon. And you don't have to shoot at 100fps.

And, an EPIC Dragon with all the required trimmings is going to be in the $40-50k range, without lenses. A Scarlet is cheaper but can't shoot 6k at anywhere near 100fps.

 

[Lee Jay]

They don't mention autofocus anywhere. Maximum ISO is 2000? 30mm sensor? It weighs five pounds and costs how much?
They may as well be selling a film camera.

It can effectively go way above 2000 and it does have fast contrast detection AF.

 

[jrista]

Good grief. One HUNDRED frames per second. And people complain about 50mp image sizes...it doesn't matter if all you have is 19mp, at 100fps full RAW stills your going to eat all the disk space on the planet in less than a year!

The raw files are wavelet compressed. Compression is selectable but 9:1 or so is not uncommon. And you don't have to shoot at 100fps.

Oh, I know. I was just being funny about 100fps for still photography. I mean, 30fps is standard for VIDEO, 60fps is "high speed". At 100fps, your well into "slow motion" territory.

And, an EPIC Dragon with all the required trimmings is going to be in the $40-50k range, without lenses. A Scarlet is cheaper but can't shoot 6k at anywhere near 100fps.

Yeah, Red Dragon's products are phenomenal. If I did cinematography, I'd probably pick up one of their cameras. Arri also makes extremely nice products, but I think they are even more expensive than Red.