Another Canon Medium Format Mention

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<p><a href="http://www.photographybay.com/2014/08/08/canon-camera-with-sensor-bigger-than-35mm-in-september/" target="_blank">Photography Bay</a> has posted that one of their sources has said Canon will announce something that has to do with a “bigger sensor than 35mm” for Photokina.</p>
<p>I’m not sure we’ll see a product, but it’s possible we see a technology demo or a development announcement.</p>
<p>There’s a fair bit of medium format talk going on with all the manufacturers, but we still don’t seem to have the smoking gun.</p>
<p>Source: [<a href="http://www.photographybay.com/2014/08/08/canon-camera-with-sensor-bigger-than-35mm-in-september/" target="_blank">PB</a>]</p>
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[honsten]

Could they do this with a built-in reverse speed booster so EF lenses would work?

 

[dryanparker]

Would Canon benefit from offering some kind of product similar to the Leica S? Not a "full-blown" MF system to compete with Phase One or Hasselblad, but still something larger than 35mm?

I'm just not sure of the benefit given 35mm sensors now boast amazingly high resolution. The quality of the pixels is what Leica sells in their S body, given its comparatively modest resolution for a MF system. The leap in quality undoubtedly exists in the lenses.

Interesting play on Canon's part...

 

[hendrik-sg]

Could they do this with a built-in reverse speed booster so EF lenses would work?

This would just be a teleconverter. Magnifying the Image just behind the lens to project it on a bigger sensor magnifies all, image, aberrations and diffraction in the same amount. This would only be useful if they could not produce sensors with higher density, which is not the case.

On a sensor doubled in size by a factor 2 (crop factor 0.5) a lens 100mm f 2.8 delivers the same picture like a 50mm f1.4 lens on FF. The question is, which lens can be done better? This is no easy question, as lens design is more difficult with larger image circle (means a 100 2.8 Macro FF Lens will not cover the MF sensor).

One of the core problems of MF is, that FF lenses are that good and that nice speced, and as sensor density is no problem. The key for more resolution is improving lens design and sensor density towards the diffraction limit. Impressive example is the development of astronomy telescopes, there a large opening and sophisticated post Processing are the key for best results.

 

[IsaacImage]

Hopefully some kind of Pentax 645Z/Leica S/Hassy killer

SOme of the pros will definitely will be very interested in that kind of body, but it's huge leap forward !

 

[AJ]

On a sensor doubled in size by a factor 2 (crop factor 0.5) a lens 100mm f 2.8 delivers the same picture like a 50mm f1.4 lens on FF.

No, it'll be like a 50/5.6. The light is spread out.

 

[RGF]

if this is a development announcement, I hope it does not take as long as the 200-400 did to come to market. Otherwise we won't see a product until 2020

 

[Dylan777]

Studio maybe. Not on the field for wildlife shooters. MF body structure is a bit large to carry around. If true...starts with some native lenses. ..35 50 85mm to kick off MF line.

 

[surapon]

To all of my dear friends and my Teachers :
Please Let me ask you some thing =
How many of us/ You will spend $ 25,000 (+) US Dollars for New Canon Medium format Camera ( 56-64 MP)= Body only ?.
How many of us/ you will buy the Big new Format Lens 2-3 Lens = $ 30,000-$ 35,000 (+) US Dollars ?

Yes, If We know the number of Prospective Buyers, May be Canon Company can know , how much the net profit that they will get from us.

Sorry, Not Me---May be The Real PRO, who make money from the Advertizing Photos on Magazine or The Bill Board / Graphic Designers.

Have a great work week, Sir/ Madam.
Surapon

 

[hendrik-sg]

On a sensor doubled in size by a factor 2 (crop factor 0.5) a lens 100mm f 2.8 delivers the same picture like a 50mm f1.4 lens on FF.

No, it'll be like a 50/5.6. The light is spread out.

No,

50mm f1.4 on FF is like
100mm f2.8 on MF with crop factor 0.5

Both lenses have opening of about 36mm, and yes on the 100mm lens the light is more spread out . The equivalent you propose (50 f 5.6) has a opening of about 9mm

 

[Dylan777]

To all of my dear friends and my Teachers :
Please Let me ask you some thing =
How many of us/ You will spend $ 25,000 (+) US Dollars for New Canon Medium format Camera ( 56-64 MP)= Body only ?.
How many of us/ you will buy the Big new Format Lens 2-3 Lens = $ 30,000-$ 35,000 (+) US Dollars ?

Yes, If We know the number of Prospective Buyers, May be Canon Company can know , how much the net profit that they will get from us.

Sorry, Not Me---May be The Real PRO, who make money from the Advertizing Photos on Magazine or The Bill Board / Graphic Designers.

Have a great work week, Sir/ Madam.
Surapon

I need to check my lottery tickets

 

[Sporgon]

Just don't believe it. If they are looking at MF now they're about twenty five years too late.

 

[RGF]

I don't think we are the intended market. Or perhaps all this is a red herring and nothing is really planned in MF. Just noise to confused the competition and rumor mongers

 

[RLPhoto]

To all of my dear friends and my Teachers :
Please Let me ask you some thing =
How many of us/ You will spend $ 25,000 (+) US Dollars for New Canon Medium format Camera ( 56-64 MP)= Body only ?.
How many of us/ you will buy the Big new Format Lens 2-3 Lens = $ 30,000-$ 35,000 (+) US Dollars ?

Yes, If We know the number of Prospective Buyers, May be Canon Company can know , how much the net profit that they will get from us.

Sorry, Not Me---May be The Real PRO, who make money from the Advertizing Photos on Magazine or The Bill Board / Graphic Designers.

Have a great work week, Sir/ Madam.
Surapon

If there is a company who could make MFD affordable again to the average pro, I'd be canon or Pentax at the moment. Canon made FF affordable in a sense and if they play their cards right, wouldn't even have to compete directly with the d800 and undercut hassy and phase with a budget MF system. I seriously doubt it will ever amount to more than text on a rumor site, but hey I quite like competition.

 

[Besisika]

I need to check my lottery tickets

U made me laugh! 'Ve been checking it for the past 20 years.

 

[unfocused]

Just don't believe it. If they are looking at MF now they're about twenty five years too late.

My thoughts exactly.

Developing a medium format camera today is way more complicated than it was in the film days and the market is much smaller and shrinking all the time. If Canon and Nikon were uninterested in medium format when it was actually a viable market, why would they invest in it now?

On another thread, I posted a reference to an estimate from Leica that the worldwide market for medium format is only 6,000 units annually. Hasselblad has a grand total of 180 employees according to their own website, not exactly a huge operation.

There are other markets that are far more promising.

 

[Khufu]

Maybe it's something a little different, like a Square Format sensor which could utilise many current EF lenses' image circle? 36 x 36mm may be a little much but perhaps something greater than the 24mm width/height. Even if the lenses projected a solid circular outline right up to the 3:2 sensor's corners rather than fading, there'd still be room to extend the lesser of the two dimensions as the other's reduced to, say, 4:3 or 1:1?... maybe that's what's going on with this new 7D2 sensor tech - a taller APS-C width sensor to shoot Square Format images at around 23 x 23mm?!

Oooooh...

I'm done. Carry on

 

[Khufu]

36 x 36mm? Fun!...

http://www.mega-vision.com/e4.html

 

[Sporgon]

Maybe it's something a little different, like a Square Format sensor which could utilise many current EF lenses' image circle? 36 x 36mm may be a little much but perhaps something greater than the 24mm width/height. Even if the lenses projected a solid circular outline right up to the 3:2 sensor's corners rather than fading, there'd still be room to extend the lesser of the two dimensions as the other's reduced to, say, 4:3 or 1:1?... maybe that's what's going on with this new 7D2 sensor tech - a taller APS-C width sensor to shoot Square Format images at around 23 x 23mm?!

Oooooh...

I'm done. Carry on

You just failed your 'Ordinary' level maths

 

[Khufu]

Maybe it's something a little different, like a Square Format sensor which could utilise many current EF lenses' image circle? 36 x 36mm may be a little much but perhaps something greater than the 24mm width/height. Even if the lenses projected a solid circular outline right up to the 3:2 sensor's corners rather than fading, there'd still be room to extend the lesser of the two dimensions as the other's reduced to, say, 4:3 or 1:1?... maybe that's what's going on with this new 7D2 sensor tech - a taller APS-C width sensor to shoot Square Format images at around 23 x 23mm?!

Oooooh...

I'm done. Carry on

You just failed your 'Ordinary' level maths

I really must have 'cause I've no idea where you're saying I've messed up, ha! Really, before everyone else notices, where'd I screw up and how many times?

EDIT: Wait... is it because this thread's about >35mm Film size? Heh, alright, how's 24 x 24.1mm for that 7D2? It's greater than a 35mm frame in one dimension then, at least