11-22 EF-M is a great lens. It is almost as sharp as the 20/2. Definitely, it is sharper than the 18-55.
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bholliman said:Once I pick-up a 11-22 (I'm waiting for them to show up in the refurb sales), I may decide to part with my 15-45. I think I can live with a "gap" between 22 and 55mm since I normally like to shoot wide and long anyway. The 15-45 is a decent lens, but I find I don't use it that much. Its strongest attribute is its size, which works against it a little due to the retracted "parked" position which forces you to go through an additional step to get the camera ready to shoot.
slclick said:What do M5 owners think of this review...http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/6/14520976/canon-m5-review-mirrorless-camera-sample-photos
I agree. I dread the day when I have to rely on one of these. I tried the Hasselblad X1D the other day, with some expectation that they had made something decent, but it was absolutely horrible. EVFs need orders of magnitude improvements in resolution and even more in responsiveness. Panning with one of these makes you seasick.privatebydesign said:.... hated hated hated the EVF, good lord if they are the future then a ton of money needs to be thrown at them to get them to anything like the quality of a decent viewfinder. ...
slclick said:What do M5 owners think of this review...http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/6/14520976/canon-m5-review-mirrorless-camera-sample-photos
slclick said:After looking into many other MILC systems and deciding to forego the M5 for the screen for one thing (and the creak and the battery and the shutter noise), it's amazing how many brands/models have the down tilting screen and not a flippy.
AvTvM said:slclick said:What do M5 owners think of this review...http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/6/14520976/canon-m5-review-mirrorless-camera-sample-photos
I think that this person Amelia is a rather clueless woman.
Already reading her first 2 paragraphs leads me to this conclusion. Blaming Canon with link to cheapo, entry-level Canon EOS M10 mixing it with FF-sensored hi-level Sony A7 series and - the "design flare" (!) of those freaking awfully retro-styled Fuji cameras ... enough already! ;D
Then she whines about Canon EF-M lens lineup, the usual "OMG, there is only 7 of them" .. and then she uses the only optically subpar of all EF-M lenses ... 15-45 ... as her sole lens for an entire month and for her review. Did not even mount the 22, 28, 11-22, 18-55, 18-150, 55-200.
*stupid*, Amelia.
That said, also *stupid* Canon* for not putting silent mode/electronic shutter in.
And that down-wilting LCD *is* the dumbest thing seen on a camera in a long time.
slclick said:I didn't throw it out there for critique because I agreed with him... it's obvious he is writing from a skewed and biased POV and contradicts himself a couple times at least. I just wanted to hear feedback on those few potentially salient points of what his negative review is based upon. i.e. poor EVF, adapter connection strength, sluggish, poor lcd, bad door design for card & battery, tilty.
privatebydesign said:Amelia Holowaty Krales was the photographer for the article, Sean O'Kane was the author.AvTvM said:I think that this person Amelia is a rather clueless woman.
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*stupid*, Amelia.
*stupid* AvTvM
privatebydesign said:For me handling the camera it will be the first camera I own with any hinges so to me the novelty was interesting and useful, however I shoot in portrait orientation a lot and it is entirely useless for that!
Eldar said:I agree. I dread the day when I have to rely on one of these. I tried the Hasselblad X1D the other day, with some expectation that they had made something decent, but it was absolutely horrible. EVFs need orders of magnitude improvements in resolution and even more in responsiveness. Panning with one of these makes you seasick.privatebydesign said:.... hated hated hated the EVF, good lord if they are the future then a ton of money needs to be thrown at them to get them to anything like the quality of a decent viewfinder. ...
+1 That's what struck me about the review. The important aspects, where the M5 excels, were quickly dismissed and minor perception based arguments (like build quality) were emphasized.dak723 said:... It's funny how this review, as well as others I have seen, mention how good the image quality is - and then sort of dismiss it as not that important. Well, I think for most photographers that is the most important aspect of a camera. They also grudgingly say that it is fun and easy to use. Bingo! The next most important aspect!
"the M5 is sluggish and cheaply built. It’s missing staples like in-body image stabilization and an electronic shutter. It is surely Canon’s best mirrorless camera to date, but if any other mirrorless camera maker put this out it’d be treated as a major step back. Or, in other words, it’s the best mirrorless camera of four years ago."
bholliman said:+1 That's what struck me about the review. The important aspects, where the M5 excels, were quickly dismissed and minor perception based arguments (like build quality) were emphasized.dak723 said:... It's funny how this review, as well as others I have seen, mention how good the image quality is - and then sort of dismiss it as not that important. Well, I think for most photographers that is the most important aspect of a camera. They also grudgingly say that it is fun and easy to use. Bingo! The next most important aspect!
privatebydesign said:bholliman said:+1 That's what struck me about the review. The important aspects, where the M5 excels, were quickly dismissed and minor perception based arguments (like build quality) were emphasized.dak723 said:... It's funny how this review, as well as others I have seen, mention how good the image quality is - and then sort of dismiss it as not that important. Well, I think for most photographers that is the most important aspect of a camera. They also grudgingly say that it is fun and easy to use. Bingo! The next most important aspect!
That was the long running complaint I had against the tidal wave of hate the original M drowned under. For the size the IQ was, and still is, exceptionally good!
I don't use it often but whenever I do I am still impressed with the base iso IQ.