After some time has passed and more rumor details regarding the 5D4 appeared why am I ready to blindly pre-order 5D4? And why I believe some people shouldn't be upset with the rumored specs.
I think 5D4 is a decent time for an upgrade, but would you agree with my arguments?
Also feel free to consider it as a summary of my 5 years experience on this forum.
3 years ago I wrote here that CANON is listening to speculations and desires expressed in sites like CR. IMHO especially CR!
2 years later in March 2015 Canon's Managing Director and Chief Executive, Image Communication Products Operations - Masaya Maeda said:
He also mentioned back then:
In September the same year he added:
The interviewer, Dave Etchells, explained:
IMHO those additional production costs may be due to the SONY & CANON SENSOR (PATENT) PARTNERSHIP:
I. The results and the reasons why I am going to blindly pre-order it
1/ Increased DR in the current generation CMOS even according to DxOmark (1dx = 11.8 Evs VS 1Dx2 = 13.5 Evs & 80D = 13.2 Evs), who only took in consideration what was on sensor excluding the rest of circuitry thus rating previous generation Canon DSLRs much lower. I doubt that anyone expects from Canon to release its next iteration of the most successful DSLR line with less than those 13.somehting Evs.
2/ Increased resolution, which combined with better DR and increased ISO (please note "New noise reduction algorithm", let's hope it's before RAW output and not JPEG related only) will make IMHO a game changer, and a true value for its price DSLR body. Please note that a few innovations compared to 1Dx2 are in place. I wouldn't be surprised if Techradar change their mind after getting their hands on 5D4.
3/ True unseen innovation. Whatever people speculate DPRAW is twice the size of regular RAW (DPRAW: 66.9 Mb. vs RAW: 36.8 Mb.). That's for a reason.
The question that remains is if Canon will give license and share the know-how to operate to Adobe (LR, CR for PS usage) and Phase One (C1).
4/ And all the other little goodness: TimeLapse, finally an electronic leveling, GPS, WiFi, USB 3.0, 7 fps.
There's even 4k@4:2:2 and weird 720p@120fps Slow Mo. The first is awesome, but I doubt I will make such great use of it. And the latter which could be IMHO much much better.
I am still missing though:
- the "tilty flippy" display (super usefull for events)
- 1080P@240 fps or higher (if I could only utilize my Canon EF glass on my smartphone it woulnd't be that much of a problem)
- Voice notes attached to the image (It might be there, or could be added via firmware update or ML can provided)
II. And to all those people that needed more than:
1/ 7 fps. Go buy a 1Dx2 (14.0 fps) or 7D2 (10.0 fps) and shut up!
Back in December 2001 the first 1D had "Approx. 8 fps in high-speed continuous shooting drive mode".
And as Neuro pointed out the obvious:
For such fine granularity in capturing the moment I really believe that this either must be your job that pays your bills AND you are in action photography OR simply a whim for luxury treatment. Both deserve paying the extra dollar for 1Dx2 or committing the trade off for its smaller-in-sensor brother 7D2.
A third option is to buy NIKON D820 instead? Word has it it will have 153-point system that has 99 cross-type and 70-80 MPs. Can't find it, but someone claimed 14 fps as well. For me it's a pure overkill and besides all my glass is (for) Canon.
2/ Missing IBIS. No need since even a low-light fan like me will manage to handle shaking with the help of them 30Mps, ISO and good quality glass. And NO! For God's sake IS on BOTH Glass & Body will NOT make blur from shaking disappear. This ain't simple first grade math problem. It's complicated physics of light, where even Gravity matters.
3/ Stupid comparison with SONYNIKONPENTAXHASSELBLADPHASEONE. Screw it!
a) Sony had a huge benefit from their IMX161 CMOS MF, their IMX094 FF sensors and many other before that. It is damn good CMOS sensor vendor.
But others seem to catch up accroding to the: 2016 Chip World's predictions
b) Never-the-less however the only true competitor in the photography equipment still stays NIKON. And they don't seem to get ahead in sales. There must be a reason for that.
6/ Waiting for 5D5. Skipping so much innovation on purpose is a total nonsense, because for me 5D3 had only a shy improvement in the main numbers at best with a few 1Dx stolen features for better sales even lacking WiFi. Actually not a bad camera, but not that good either. Because it didn't worth the price asked.
Both NIKON & CANON show trend of steady slowing pace on new model iteration releases.
No matter if it's for profit or lack of enough R&D reasons the truth is obvious!
NIKON:
CANON
Probably 5D5 would be available somewhere around 2022. ;-) And that is ONLY if until then CANON doesn't decide to stop the series.
All that being said why would you blindly pre-order? Or why NOT. Would you upgrade your 5D3 or the new features aren't that attractive? Would you upgrade APS-H 1D Mark IV?
I think 5D4 is a decent time for an upgrade, but would you agree with my arguments?
Also feel free to consider it as a summary of my 5 years experience on this forum.
3 years ago I wrote here that CANON is listening to speculations and desires expressed in sites like CR. IMHO especially CR!
Undoubtedly I believe this forum is a place which many people visit even without registering. Here opinions are created. A lot is learnt and many why's are being answered.Diko said:
2 years later in March 2015 Canon's Managing Director and Chief Executive, Image Communication Products Operations - Masaya Maeda said:
Many would say that CR is no NEWS MEDIA, but actually many bloggers and journalists come here as this is a good shortcut to learn how new CANON DSLR is being perceived. Ergo they write about it later on.
He also mentioned back then:
In September the same year he added:
and
The interviewer, Dave Etchells, explained:
and
IMHO those additional production costs may be due to the SONY & CANON SENSOR (PATENT) PARTNERSHIP:
However no matter if speculations or not. The results both on paper and in real life show a stable improvement on the above mentioned "future products" so far.
I. The results and the reasons why I am going to blindly pre-order it
1/ Increased DR in the current generation CMOS even according to DxOmark (1dx = 11.8 Evs VS 1Dx2 = 13.5 Evs & 80D = 13.2 Evs), who only took in consideration what was on sensor excluding the rest of circuitry thus rating previous generation Canon DSLRs much lower. I doubt that anyone expects from Canon to release its next iteration of the most successful DSLR line with less than those 13.somehting Evs.
2/ Increased resolution, which combined with better DR and increased ISO (please note "New noise reduction algorithm", let's hope it's before RAW output and not JPEG related only) will make IMHO a game changer, and a true value for its price DSLR body. Please note that a few innovations compared to 1Dx2 are in place. I wouldn't be surprised if Techradar change their mind after getting their hands on 5D4.
3/ True unseen innovation. Whatever people speculate DPRAW is twice the size of regular RAW (DPRAW: 66.9 Mb. vs RAW: 36.8 Mb.). That's for a reason.
The question that remains is if Canon will give license and share the know-how to operate to Adobe (LR, CR for PS usage) and Phase One (C1).
4/ And all the other little goodness: TimeLapse, finally an electronic leveling, GPS, WiFi, USB 3.0, 7 fps.
There's even 4k@4:2:2 and weird 720p@120fps Slow Mo. The first is awesome, but I doubt I will make such great use of it. And the latter which could be IMHO much much better.
I am still missing though:
- the "tilty flippy" display (super usefull for events)
- 1080P@240 fps or higher (if I could only utilize my Canon EF glass on my smartphone it woulnd't be that much of a problem)
- Voice notes attached to the image (It might be there, or could be added via firmware update or ML can provided)
II. And to all those people that needed more than:
1/ 7 fps. Go buy a 1Dx2 (14.0 fps) or 7D2 (10.0 fps) and shut up!
Back in December 2001 the first 1D had "Approx. 8 fps in high-speed continuous shooting drive mode".
And as Neuro pointed out the obvious:
neuroanatomist said:I liked the suggestion that the 5DIII at 6 fps is "pretty damn slow". It's a helluva lot faster than a thumb...
For such fine granularity in capturing the moment I really believe that this either must be your job that pays your bills AND you are in action photography OR simply a whim for luxury treatment. Both deserve paying the extra dollar for 1Dx2 or committing the trade off for its smaller-in-sensor brother 7D2.
A third option is to buy NIKON D820 instead? Word has it it will have 153-point system that has 99 cross-type and 70-80 MPs. Can't find it, but someone claimed 14 fps as well. For me it's a pure overkill and besides all my glass is (for) Canon.
2/ Missing IBIS. No need since even a low-light fan like me will manage to handle shaking with the help of them 30Mps, ISO and good quality glass. And NO! For God's sake IS on BOTH Glass & Body will NOT make blur from shaking disappear. This ain't simple first grade math problem. It's complicated physics of light, where even Gravity matters.
3/ Stupid comparison with SONYNIKONPENTAXHASSELBLADPHASEONE. Screw it!
a) Sony had a huge benefit from their IMX161 CMOS MF, their IMX094 FF sensors and many other before that. It is damn good CMOS sensor vendor.
But others seem to catch up accroding to the: 2016 Chip World's predictions
b) Never-the-less however the only true competitor in the photography equipment still stays NIKON. And they don't seem to get ahead in sales. There must be a reason for that.
Most probably as he also mentioned his source is CIPA.rrcphoto said:
6/ Waiting for 5D5. Skipping so much innovation on purpose is a total nonsense, because for me 5D3 had only a shy improvement in the main numbers at best with a few 1Dx stolen features for better sales even lacking WiFi. Actually not a bad camera, but not that good either. Because it didn't worth the price asked.
Both NIKON & CANON show trend of steady slowing pace on new model iteration releases.
No matter if it's for profit or lack of enough R&D reasons the truth is obvious!
NIKON:
CANON
Probably 5D5 would be available somewhere around 2022. ;-) And that is ONLY if until then CANON doesn't decide to stop the series.
All that being said why would you blindly pre-order? Or why NOT. Would you upgrade your 5D3 or the new features aren't that attractive? Would you upgrade APS-H 1D Mark IV?
