Alefoto said:scyrene said:Alefoto said:Not to mention the Panasonic Gh4 which can be found used for about 800 euro, wich has a way way better 4k video with almost the same crop factor. And use then the Voigtlander 10,5mm. And still, for less than the 5D IV cost, you can add into the GH4 setup the panasonic YAGH interface unit which will give you powerful audio option.
People should not be buying this camera if their primary interest is video. It is a STILLS camera. It still produces video, which may be adequate for many users.
I just checked the price here in Italy. It's 4150 euro... For this camera? Waaaay toooo overpriced. It would be an interesting 2016 camera for about 2000 euro, but more than twice as much? Sorry Canon but for that amount of money there are several better options in the market, for stills and definitely for video. Even older Canon cameras (C100 or a used C300 for example) give you better video options. Regarding stills, there are also some things which are implemented in cheaper cameras and lacking here: no AA filter (why did they left it??), better memory cards, better buffer, tropicalization. For stills there is always the much cheaper 5DS!
Fwiw I agree the price is high, and more than I'd be prepared to pay. I don't know to what extent that is Canon's fault, and how much the relative currency values, and local issues (like warranties, taxes, distribution) matter. I've never bought anything on release, it's a good idea to wait and see how much the price drops. Judging by other recent examples, it'll be a few hundred cheaper within a year (especially if you consider grey market imports).
I say again, the C100 is not a fair comparison because it's a video camera (incidentally, it doesn't shoot 4K). The other questions, I can only guess at. People disagree on whether an AA filter is a net benefit or drawback - I can't comment, but I don't think it's a big deal either way (is the 5DsR appreciably sharper? Is it not just a few % different at most?). And memory cards... well again, we've seen both sides argue their case in these forums. Some prefer backwards compatibility and cheapness, others want the best at any price. That's up to you to decide.
Alefoto said:I understand this new 5D IV is a still camera and that so many people want so many things. Canon launched the DSRL video stuff and many people appreciated it. Actually there are many people using a single camera for both video and still images and many people use both in their workflow. The 5DIV's supposed video capabilities are adversized on Canon's website as "cinematographic 4k video". No way with those specs and at that price: with 4000 euro, now in 2016, you can get an advanced video system of camera, basic audio gear and a few lenses or a professional video camera body only (the Ursa for example). Considering the lifespan of this new camera (up to 2020 maybe?) and its current specs compared to the 2016 competition (which is about to introduce or has introduced features like pixel shift, no aa filter now being the norm, 6k video, much faster memory cards, etc) it's already a normal camera by nowdays standards. Would it be an investment for the future?scyrene said:Alefoto said:It's funny that Canon advertized the 4k option in such a camera, it is barely usable and definitely behind cheaper competition options. Even a used Canon C100 for 1500 euro gives you better video!
1) All the video people moaned that 4K was essential for newer Canon cameras to not be DOA. They added 4K. Now it's not the right kind :
2) Again, the 5D4 is a STILLS camera that happens to do video. The C100 is a VIDEO camera. How good are its stills? Probably not very good, because it's a VIDEO camera. Get it?
I don't understand the purpose of this camera. For people entering the Canon system? Way too overpriced and behind competition at that price. For people upgrading their canon camera? Not for people doing video for sure. Even for still images there are cheaper and better options within Canon cameras.
The Canon website will of course portray this as the best thing at everything ever - such is the nature of marketing materials. Take it with a large pinch of salt. I don't see rival manufacturers producing products *in this category* that do the things you ask, however. The D5 and D500 have just come out, and they have only just introduced 4K.
A lot of what you say has some merit, but I just think it boils down to, who is this camera for? It is an all-rounder. It does a lot of things quite well, but a multipurpose tool is unlikely to better a specialist product in any given area. Higher res? 5Ds/R. Higher speed? 1Dx(II)/7DII. Best low light? 1Dx(II)/D5. Better video? Cinema cameras/other brands.