Canon launches the imagePROGRAF PRO-1100

[Canon Rumors Guy]

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[Karm]

This is actually very exciting news. I'd been holding off on buying a pro-1000 due to its age (released October 2015) and the extent of its cleaning cycles. The more recent prograf printers all have improvements in their ink and the frequency / amount of ink that the cleaning cycles require.

If this printer is the successor of the pro-1000 and comes with the same improvements, I'll probably end up getting one :-D

 

[el peso]

I\'m afraid to imagine how much does the full set of cartridges cost.

 

[Canon Rumors Guy]

This is actually very exciting news. I'd been holding off on buying a pro-1000 due to its age (released October 2015) and the extent of its cleaning cycles. The more recent prograf printers all have improvements in their ink and the frequency / amount of ink that the cleaning cycles require.

If this printer is the successor of the pro-1000 and comes with the same improvements, I'll probably end up getting one :-D

Well, cleaning cycles should really never be used unless there is a visible problem. Running a test page every few weeks is more than enough. Streaking or banding rarely has anything to do with cleaning of the head. People just have to remember to clean the foam pads and rollers. 4 weeks between test prints is usually fine, but I have a notification set for every 2 weeks.

I have had my Pro-1000 for a few years and I'm on my third ink set, and I have never run a cleaning cycle. I just installed my third maintenance tank, but they're thankfully only 20 bucks. This new printer isn't going to change the automatic head stuff, but that doesn't really consume all that much ink and It's the same print head as all of them.

I have seen no difference in maintenance tank usage with the Pro-2600 and LUCIA II inks.

I had one banding issue over Wi-Fi, so I bought a cable and no issues since.

 

[Karm]

Well, cleaning cycles should really never be used unless there is a visible problem. Running a test page every few weeks is more than enough. Streaking or banding rarely has anything to do with cleaning of the head. 4 weeks between test prints is usually fine, but I have a notification set for every 2 weeks.

I have had my Pro-1000 for a few years and I'm on my third ink set, and I have never run a cleaning cycle. I just installed my third maintenance tank, but they're thankfully only 20 bucks. This new printer isn't going to change the automatic head stuff, but that doesn't really consume all that much ink and It's the same print head as all of them.

I have seen no difference in maintenance tank usage with the Pro-2600 and LUCIA II inks.

I had one banding issue over Wi-Fi, so I bought a cable and no issues since.

That's very interesting! However I think what you refer to as "automatic head stuff" is what I'm referring to as a "cleaning cycle". That's what the waste tank (that you replaced twice) fills up with.

There's a LOT of information around about the Pro-1000 with regards to it's "nozzle cleaning" ("pre print maintenance cycle", some refer to it as a 'cleaning cycle') behavior. The general advice seems to be: print something every 60 hours, and it won't go into those cleaning cycles (which use up a lot more ink than a print). There have been a lot of people that experimented with different intervals and keeping track of the ink levels, that came to that conclusion.
The newer (smaller) imageprograf printers have had the same scrutiny, and they seem to be a lot better (less ink wastage). Hoping this pro-1100 will be similar!

 

[davidespinosa]

12 colors is amazing !

My screen only has 3 colors...

 

[Canon Rumors Guy]

That's very interesting! However I think what you refer to as "automatic head stuff" is what I'm referring to as a "cleaning cycle". That's what the waste tank (that you replaced twice) fills up with.

There's a LOT of information around about the Pro-1000 with regards to it's "nozzle cleaning" ("pre print maintenance cycle", some refer to it as a 'cleaning cycle') behavior. The general advice seems to be: print something every 60 hours, and it won't go into those cleaning cycles (which use up a lot more ink than a print). There have been a lot of people that experimented with different intervals and keeping track of the ink levels, that came to that conclusion.
The newer (smaller) imageprograf printers have had the same scrutiny, and they seem to be a lot better (less ink wastage). Hoping this pro-1100 will be similar!

Yes, but it's a minimal amount. The maintenance tank is tiny, the cartridges are big. However, as I said, the Pro-2600 is no different in any way.

The smaller Pro-200 and Pro-300 are completely different heads and tech. They have absolutely no relation to the Pro-1000 and up. They are essentially rebranded PIXMA printers.

I think the Pro-1000 ink set is $700, and I don't feel ripped off in any way. Sure the profit margin is good for Canon, but it's way less than most people think.

Hit up Keith Cooper, he's really the only one I know of to speak to about the technology inside a printer.

 

[VegasCameraGuy]

Do you think they will ever come out with a tank printer?

 

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I bought a 300 in the spring when my older-than-my-8th-grader 100 finally died. Choosing between that (newer) and the 1000 (older) was hard. I'd definitely have gone with the 1100 were it available. Would have to look at an output comparison to justify upgrading. I bet Keith Cooper will have a run-down, but that might take a while.

 

[snapshot]

Do you think they will ever come out with a tank printer?

looks like it kinda is. i think the cartridges are on the bottom of the printer and dont move with the head. they are listed as 80ml. wonder what kind of crypto crap they have to try to prevent refills.

 

[Canon Rumors Guy]

looks like it kinda is. i think the cartridges are on the bottom of the printer and dont move with the head. they are listed as 80ml. wonder what kind of crypto crap they have to try to prevent refills.

You could refill or buy cartridges from a third party for the PRO-1000, some have said Precision Colors is good, I haven't tested that myself, and never will.

Their ink was $12.88 a cartridge, plus $12 for a chip for each cartridge, they are one time use. They also sell OEM ink for $38 a cartridge.

If you choose the refill route, you have to re-chip every time the cartridge runs out, and they're $12 per cartridge.

Or you can do this............

 

[skrubol]

I wish they\'d release a true successor to the iPF510. I\'ve got one of those hanging around in the basement (hasn\'t worked in years.. someday I\'ll take a look at it.)
It was nice having the option of printing on roll stock or sheet fed.

 

[LDS]

Do you think they will ever come out with a tank printer?

As far as I know the inks to be used in unsealed tanks are not yet adequate for high-end and long-lasting prints. But I'm not up to date with recent developments.

 

[LDS]

They are essentially rebranded PIXMA printers.

I've seen them as something intermediate, since they have a separate, replaceable (in theory, don't know availability and price), although they have cartridges mounted on the carriage.

 

[1ll]

Finally!! I refrained from purchasing the Imageprograf 1000 because it's an older technology. Now, I can buy the 1100.

 

[snapshot]

i thought this was a CIS but it is actually a tank empty warning device (too bad). this depends upon a feature to turn off the chip. does the pro-1100 still have this feature?

 

[YuengLinger]

Great to see news about this printer. Thank you!

 

[Canon Rumors Guy]

Great to see news about this printer. Thank you!

I wish the ink tanks from the PRO-1000 worked, then I'd get one. It would give me the same output as the 2600 and 6600 I share with some people.

The full boxed set PRO-1000 ink probably wouldn't be easy to sell with the printer for a worthwhile amount.

 

[keithcooper]

Canon UK had wanted to get one to me before the launch, but there are very few about. Hopefully one will turn up in a couple of weeks.
I'll be doing my usual detailed testing...
I did get a chance to have quite a chat with Canon before the launch.
In essence, it's the same printer, with a few mods and improvements to the physical machine internally, which represent the sort of engineering/manufacturing changes you might expect in a product of this vintage ;-)

The most significant change is in the inks - just how much, awaits my chance of profiling and testing - a UK paper supplier is shipping me a big collection of papers [A3+ and A2} so I'll have plenty to try out beyond the Canon papers.

I'll be seeing just how easy that 3.2m max page length is to use as well ;-)

For people wanting more info, look for technical info about the new 2600 etc introduced earlier this year - I note though that although 1000 and 1100 use the same print head as the 200/2100 [and 2600] There are some extra features related to media/quality checking which are not found in the 1100
This is why, I suspect, the printer went from 1000>1100 and not 1000>1600

If anyone's curious I did a 12 min YT video looking at the 'new' printer...
Questions really welcome [here/YT/email] as to things people want looking at [if practical!]
My 12 mins look at the PRO-1100

 

[josephandrews222]

Canon UK had wanted to get one to me before the launch, but there are very few about. Hopefully one will turn up in a couple of weeks.
I'll be doing my usual detailed testing...
I did get a chance to have quite a chat with Canon before the launch.
In essence, it's the same printer, with a few mods and improvements to the physical machine internally, which represent the sort of engineering/manufacturing changes you might expect in a product of this vintage ;-)

The most significant change is in the inks - just how much, awaits my chance of profiling and testing - a UK paper supplier is shipping me a big collection of papers [A3+ and A2} so I'll have plenty to try out beyond the Canon papers.

I'll be seeing just how easy that 3.2m max page length is to use as well ;-)

For people wanting more info, look for technical info about the new 2600 etc introduced earlier this year - I note though that although 1000 and 1100 use the same print head as the 200/2100 [and 2600] There are some extra features related to media/quality checking which are not found in the 1100
This is why, I suspect, the printer went from 1000>1100 and not 1000>1600

If anyone's curious I did a 12 min YT video looking at the 'new' printer...
Questions really welcome [here/YT/email] as to things people want looking at [if practical!]
My 12 mins look at the PRO-1100

I am curious. Very.

And for those reading this, who are interested in anything to do with modern inkjet printers...you probably already know about Keith's work at Northlight Images.

If you don't...well that is your loss.

I wouldn't buy a photo printer without 'consulting' his work; it is one of the pleasures of the internet.

Largely on the basis of his review, I purchased a Canon G620 six color (60mL tanks!) dye printer/scanner.

The printer, for what I use it for...is WONDERFUL.*

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From his review (of the G620 etc.):

Who is it for (the G620 in the USA)​

Ah, now that is the key question…

There’s the obvious consumer photo printer market – people who just want to print their photos and do it more cheaply than using a lab. For this it mostly works. It’s particularly good in its handling of small print sizes, where it’s fast enough and will churn out a lot of snaps to hand round.

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Canon would be wise to get the new 1100's in the hands of trusted reviewers...

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*Canon recently fiddled with an online-generated firmware update for the G620 that, for yours truly, more-or-less broke it. After a couple of days, though, a new update has seemed to make things right.