Canon officially announces the Canon EOS R system

[PureClassA]

Is the 1DX 2 HDMI ceiling artificial? I was under the impression it was using an older HDMI protocol.

4k HDMI protocols were widely available at the time (I am not aware if they deliberately chose an older one) since several other cameras (sony, Panasonic, fuji) all had them for far less. Plus the much older (tech age) Canon 1DC with 2 generations older Digic chips could do it. The 1DX2 has such robust video features with CFast2 recording, but Canon choked the output and left out Log presumably so as not to "compete" with the Cinema line.

This "new" thinking with the EOS R is very welcomed. Canon until now never seemed to understand that DSLR bodies aren't going to replace dedicated video cameras for pros. In fact, many use both in tandem.

I just hope they can go back (because I suspect it's a firmware design) and unlock the output. If they deliberately used hardware that couldn't support it... shame.

 

[amorse]

A couple things I found interesting:

• This appears to be using the 5D IV sensor, but it was identified in the videos as being a middle of the road camera: a good first full-frame camera for buyers (i.e. like a 6D). What does that mean for the next model up? Does the 5DS/SR (or an updated version) slot into the 5D's previous position?
• One of the videos noted that the camera used the LP-E6 so batteries from older cameras would be compatible with this, first full frame mirrorless camera. This seemed to be a strange way to phrase it to me, almost insinuating that other cameras may use other batteries. That may not be a bad thing considering the battery life being projected off of an LP-E6.

It seems to me that this is seen by Canon as a good secondary camera, and it certainly could be. The real question is where does RF go from here - what will the next body be?

 

[PureClassA]

What do you mean? IQ?
Because price and specs are out.

I saw the R and the kit with 24-105....

Didn't see the glass individually...

 

[ptogel]

Is it just me or does this feel like a mirrorless 6d. One card slot?

 

[PureClassA]

Exciting times! I undershot my U.S. price guess by 99 bucks. But this is great news in my book... This implies to me that there will be a pro model that is almost sure to have dual cards. This price also shows a huge commitment to FF mirrorless and the RF mount.

The thing that will nag me like a bug under my skin until the pro model is out is... will they yank that sweet flippy screen away from me? Will they have the nerve to ask 3,500 for a camera and have a fixed lcd screen? Man. That rascally Canon.

Depending on reviews (and then a rental) between now and end of year, I may be getting this first model anyway. My wife would love it unless there's some usability issue that isn't obvious yet.

And I think this price, combined with the mediocre EF refreshes, tells me where Canon sees the future leading, and that future has an RF mount on it.

I can't imagine what the "pro" model would look like. Already have 30MP, 8fps, 5000AF points via DPAF, Magnesium body... What else is there? 60MP? few more FPS? 60fps slo-mo in 4K? There IS a debate to be made that the next model would be the more dedicated video machine, where we see a LOWER res sensor than this. Time will tell!

 

[peters]

Indeed. Why is this "the ONLY feature that was REALY important"?


Because of the calculations involved to convert a 30x2 (DP) megapixel image to 4k. They require power, and this power is dissipated within the camera, heating it.

Jeah well, its not realy the ONLY feature that could have been a dealbreaker. At least we can use EF-S lenses, so we can achieve wide-angle-4k-images. (Which was totaly impossible on the 5d iv)
I hope the rolling shutter is not so insane (and unusable) as on the 5d IV. Than it could be a decent video camera.

I certainly like the way that canon is going and I do understand the problems that arise from a fullframe 4k readout (this is why I dont ask for 60fps at all) but at least a less insane crop factor would have been nice(like the 1,3 on the 1dx).

 

[fullstop]

Where does RF go? LOL
It is the sole and excellent standard for all future Canon FF cameras, except the few more EF DSLRs that may still appear.

EOS R = mirrorfree 6D III [with 5D IV sensor but pedestrian fps]
next EOS R body = mirrorfree 5D V [with new, higher rez sensor and much higher fps]

 

[Quarkcharmed]

Since there are a lot of IS lens around, I'll trade IBIS with better AF if I am a photographer. Video is a different ball game that I don't quite understand yet.

Yeah AF seems to be a very strong point here. It looks like it'll outperform all other vlogging cameras. But I mostly shoot stills. I wouldn't mind super fast new AF but it's already great on my 5D4.

But I don't understand how people discuss and review it as if it were a pure video camera. Like in this review quoted above: - that review is practically useless to me to be honest. Ok the guys who reviewed it might be concerned specifically about video, but so are commentators below. And so are many people in this thread.

 

[PureClassA]

BTW - anyone seen anything on crop factor in 4k? Is it going to be crazy like the 5D4 with a similar sensor? Or will this be full readout with binning?

 

[amorse]

BTW - anyone seen anything on crop factor in 4k? Is it going to be crazy like the 5D4 with a similar sensor? Or will this be full readout with binning?

It's the 5D IV crop for 4K

 

[Kit.]

BTW - anyone seen anything on crop factor in 4k? Is it going to be crazy like the 5D4 with a similar sensor? Or will this be full readout with binning?

It is going to be crazily usable with EF-S lenses.

This camera is full of trade-offs, but that's why it will sell well.

 

[PureClassA]

It's the 5D IV crop for 4K

Where did you find that?

 

[onelifesoliveit]

Yep I've already figured the price

Among existing Canon FF owners, I think 5DMkIV owners won't upgrade to R (some may consider it as a secondary camera). There's no or little point to change 5D4 for R. Flip screen is the only major advantage. I think R fills the gap between 6DMkII and 5DMkIV, but it's closer to 6DMkII. So 6D or 6DMkII owners may consider upgrading to R.

For those who don't have an FF, R is a great option to start. R is more expensive than 6DMkII but so much better in all areas. If its price drops to around $2000, it'll probably kill 6DII in a while.

But I have no idea how/if it's going to compete against Nikon Z6. Apart from IBIS, Z6 is weaker, and the initial Z lenses are so-so, but it's all cheaper.

Another potential rival, A7rIII has better specs but much more expensive, it's a different category.

So my feeling is, the current price is a bit too much, but only a little bit. But Canon has much more powerful marketing department than my marketing intuition, so I bet this camera will sell well.

The competitor of Z6 and EOS R is not A7r3, it is A7iii which is much better in almost every aspect than z6/EOS R (and the $1.999 price tag).

 

[Etienne]

It's been noted in the reviews, and is not at all surprising given the slow readout of the sensor. 120 fps topping out at 720p is a good indicator of sensor readout. It's basically the same sensor as the 5D mark IV. The reason Nikon and Panasonic have had access to faster readout sensors is because they focus their resources on fine tuning Sony sensors instead of trying to build the entire sensor from the ground up. Though, none of them are still as advance as the 5 year old Samsung DSLR.

Hopefully they read the full sensor for both 4K and 1080p, no line-skipping. That's Sony's secret sauce for high quality video without moire and aliasing.

 

[Kit.]

Where did you find that?

It was mentioned in one of the videos with Canon staff.

 

[fox40phil]

28-70 2.0 for 3k $ and then around 3500€ maybe?! whoa!

And how about R lenses on EF bodys?!

 

[amorse]

Where did you find that?

- it doesn't call it the same as the 5D IV, but it looks pretty darn close. I could have sworn I read it somewhere, but I can't remember where. I'll touch back if I find it, but for now the Canon marketing video gives you a pretty good idea.

 

[pitoku]

just I have expected... no IBIS. The Japanese don't compete against each other, they co-exist.

 

[amorse]

- it doesn't call it the same as the 5D IV, but it looks pretty darn close. I could have sworn I read it somewhere, but I can't remember where. I'll touch back if I find it, but for now the Canon marketing video gives you a pretty good idea.

On the bright side, the camera will take an EF-S lens and if you use that to film 4K you will have a near full APS-C equivalent readout. It's certainly not the best option, but it is better than the 5D IV's implementation of 4K.

 

[AlanF]

It's probably been mentioned but there are too many posts to check. In answer to an earlier question, the 5 fps is with continuous AF.