Canon officially launches the RF 28-70mm f/2.8 IS STM

Looking at this pic, I'm sooooo glad I got rid of the adapter and adopted natives RF lenses.
I am also glad that I have switched over to RF lenses for the most part. I will be keeping my adapters for a while, there are no RF TS lenses yet, there may never be an RF version of the MP-E 65, and I don’t see a need to upgrade my 600/4 II, since the MkIII/RF version does not offer any optical improvements.
 
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In the old days of the EF/EF-s mount things were much more clearer.
We had the Red ring for all L lenses and they were the best that Canon could make (and they were generally about 10-15 years ahead of the competition in terms of design, build and optics).
Then we had the Gold ring for the next best prosumer gear. Higher on the optics but lower on the build level. Often not quite as bright as the L lenses.
Then came the Silver ring for pretty much everything else. Generally, cheap, small, light, dim and disposable.
I mean even in EF days the Ls came in different levels. The 17-40 and 24-105 were much less highly rated than most of the others. Can't say I've ever knowingly encountered silver or gold rings.
 
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I mean even in EF days the Ls came in different levels. The 17-40 and 24-105 were much less highly rated than most of the others. Can't say I've ever knowingly encountered silver or gold rings.
The 17-40/4 is notoriously weak in the corners at 17mm. But there were many people who loved it, because it was robust, produced great colours and stopped down or used at 20mm the resolution was good.
The 16-35/4 IS was the Gamechanger.
 
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The 17-40/4 is notoriously weak in the corners at 17mm. But there were many people who loved it, because it was robust, produced great colours and stopped down or used at 20mm the resolution was good.
The 16-35/4 IS was the Gamechanger.
In my opinion, the 16-35 f/4 was the first fully usable WA zoom from Canon.
All its "L" successors were equally good, some even better. I'm definitely in love with the RF 15-35 f/2,8. Tack sharp into the farthest corners, a very good surprise. I now have an EF 16-36 f/4 for sale...
 
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In my opinion, the 16-35 f/4 was the first fully usable WA zoom from Canon.
All its "L" successors were equally good, some even better. I'm definitely in love with the RF 15-35 f/2,8. Tack sharp into the farthest corners, a very good surprise. I now have an EF 16-36 f/4 for sale...
I still love my EF 16-35mm F4L IS for its internal focusing and non-extending during zooming, and it was the start of better UW for Canon L lens if I remember correctly..... I had the EF 17-40mm F4L, and from 20-40mm, that lens was ok.... and had lesser distortion....

There is not much reason for me to upgrade for now since UW is not my commonly used range.....
 
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I still love my EF 16-35mm F4L IS for its internal focusing and non-extending during zooming, and it was the start of better UW for Canon L lens if I remember correctly..... I had the EF 17-40mm F4L, and from 20-40mm, that lens was ok.... and had lesser distortion....

There is not much reason for me to upgrade for now since UW is not my commonly used range.....
Kind of, it was certainly in the early cusp of sharp Canon UWA lenses. I think the tide turned with the EF 16-35mm f2.8 II L, in it's day it was the best there was and far ahead of the competition. optically it's just very dated now. The next really revolutionary UWA was the TS-e 17mm f4L, while it's not a lens that many have tried and even fewer have mastered....it's still peerless. It's an optical gem and a joy to use if you know what you are doing with it.
I suspect there was a batch of EF mk II lenses that were designed and built before Canon had put into place their RF mount ideas / long game strategy. The EF 16-35mm f4 LIS, EF 11-24mm f4 L, EF 24-70mm f2.8 L II, the EF 100mm LIS Macro, EF 35mm f1.4 II L, EF 70-200mm f2.8 LIS II, EF 70-300mm f5.6 L IS, EF 100-400mm L IS II EF 300/400/600mm f2.8 L IS II were all certainly in this category. Canon needed higher resolving lenses to feed the 5Dmk4 and 5DSr, but these lenses were so good that they still go toe to toe with the RF lenses.

I don't have any RF lenses in my collection at the moment. All of my EF glass is already top teir and superlative. However, there are a few very tempting optics in the RF range that do interest me. I'd love a RF 10-20mm f4 LIS, it's just eye wateringly expensive. It wouldn't replace my EF 11-24mm F4 L, but act as a walkabouts / non serious lanscaping lens. I currently use a set of Drop in filters for my EF lenses via the EF to R drop in adapter and I'd never go back to using Lee filters again.
I need to upgrade my EF 85mm f1.2 II L and EF 135mm f2.0 L and these could easily be my first RF purchases. The problem is that I just don't do a lot of portraiture these days. I'm very interested in the RF 100-500mm LIS, it's a bit longer than my existing EF 100-400 II LIS and it'll also be slightly better for shooting dragon flies and butter flies.

I'm wondering if Canon will built a compact RF 70-300/f5.6 next? They don't seem to have this range covered at the moment and it's a great travel option.
 
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It does look very promising, compared with the new RF 28-70 f/2.8 (Yes, I noticed the GIF compares the two 24-70mm lenses).
A little less resolution on the edges, on the wide end, as I suspected from the RAW files I downloaded, but everything else looks very similar.

Considering this...
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(using the 24-105 here, since they're very similar)

...and the 400 grams difference, I might go for it.

It's not exactly an upgrade, it's more of a sidegrade, but I believe on rebates I could make this deal for free, or for less than €100. That would leave me with one to zero EF lenses on my kit, since I'm already selling my Sigma 50 Art, and then I could sell the adapters as well, and never look back.

That's exactly what I'm thinking, too; if the new RF comes down around 800/900€ you (and me, and any other who still has the EF II) can do a free lens swap for the same money, getting a lens which is (hopefully; otherwise it's not so interesting) at least on par with quality, but smaller, lighter, with IS, and doesn't need adapter anymore. But I'll still keep close my adapters for some time, as I still have a couple of Sigma jewels, the 40 f1.4 and especially the 105 f1.4 which are unmatched (other the the my old EF 70-200 2.8 L non-IS, which I hold since 15yrs, but I use it so little that spending money to upgrade it is nonsense). Waiting for my two "bibles", Chris Frost and Photozone.de (I'm attached to the old name!) to test it, if they say it's good, it's just a matter of when it comes down to the reselling price of the EF II.
 
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I am also glad that I have switched over to RF lenses for the most part. I will be keeping my adapters for a while, there are no RF TS lenses yet, there may never be an RF version of the MP-E 65, and I don’t see a need to upgrade my 600/4 II, since the MkIII/RF version does not offer any optical improvements.
Makes sense, I wouldn't sell it as well. I was lucky enough that my EF lenses got RF replacements with upgrades. Only the Sigma 20mm F1.4 has no direct placement yet, but that lens was over 1kg without the adapter and I used it quite seldom. Therefore, I sold it.
 
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The 17-40/4 is notoriously weak in the corners at 17mm. But there were many people who loved it, because it was robust, produced great colours and stopped down or used at 20mm the resolution was good.
The 16-35/4 IS was the Gamechanger.
IIRC, the 17-40 f/4 was also pretty popular as a high quality standard lens for APS-C cameras. For that usage, the corners didn't matter as much.
 
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I'm wondering if Canon will built a compact RF 70-300/f5.6 next? They don't seem to have this range covered at the moment and it's a great travel option.
As someone with a 100-500, and loves it, I can say that I would still be thrilled if they released an RF 70-300L. Ideally it would be f4-5.6. But it would be a pretty slick travel lens. I would almost certainly sell my RF100-400 for it. For the amount I paid for the 100-500, I want to use it as much as possible, and the 100-400 is too close, but if a 70-300L existed I could almost skip my 24-105 that I usually bring on outdoor trips, and just go with a 14-35/70-300 setup when I'm trying to keep gear to a minimum. Though if I'm being honest, a single lens setup is really where it becomes acceptable to leave the 100-500 at home. Something like a 20-200 f4.5-5.6L would really be the ultimate setup for outdoor trips, as long as the corner performance on the wide end was actually good.
 
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I bought them the other way round.
First the hq 100-500, then the 100-400 for travelling light.
I never really considered buying the 100-500mm since I had the 100-400mm and it was good enough for me to get the shots I needed as a volunteer for church..... but for the Santo Padre visit from 11-13 Sept, and being involved..... I wanted to do a good job and bit the bullet... it also messed up my upgrading plan in a way, but maybe it was a blessing as the next was supposed to be RF 70-200mm F2.8...... and wait for the Z version before deciding....

As I have donated the image right, I'm unable to share any images....
 
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Kind of, it was certainly in the early cusp of sharp Canon UWA lenses. I think the tide turned with the EF 16-35mm f2.8 II L, in it's day it was the best there was and far ahead of the competition. optically it's just very dated now. The next really revolutionary UWA was the TS-e 17mm f4L, while it's not a lens that many have tried and even fewer have mastered....it's still peerless. It's an optical gem and a joy to use if you know what you are doing with it.
I suspect there was a batch of EF mk II lenses that were designed and built before Canon had put into place their RF mount ideas / long game strategy. The EF 16-35mm f4 LIS, EF 11-24mm f4 L, EF 24-70mm f2.8 L II, the EF 100mm LIS Macro, EF 35mm f1.4 II L, EF 70-200mm f2.8 LIS II, EF 70-300mm f5.6 L IS, EF 100-400mm L IS II EF 300/400/600mm f2.8 L IS II were all certainly in this category. Canon needed higher resolving lenses to feed the 5Dmk4 and 5DSr, but these lenses were so good that they still go toe to toe with the RF lenses.

I don't have any RF lenses in my collection at the moment. All of my EF glass is already top teir and superlative. However, there are a few very tempting optics in the RF range that do interest me. I'd love a RF 10-20mm f4 LIS, it's just eye wateringly expensive. It wouldn't replace my EF 11-24mm F4 L, but act as a walkabouts / non serious lanscaping lens. I currently use a set of Drop in filters for my EF lenses via the EF to R drop in adapter and I'd never go back to using Lee filters again.
I need to upgrade my EF 85mm f1.2 II L and EF 135mm f2.0 L and these could easily be my first RF purchases. The problem is that I just don't do a lot of portraiture these days. I'm very interested in the RF 100-500mm LIS, it's a bit longer than my existing EF 100-400 II LIS and it'll also be slightly better for shooting dragon flies and butter flies.

I'm wondering if Canon will built a compact RF 70-300/f5.6 next? They don't seem to have this range covered at the moment and it's a great travel option.
Just wonder why Canon is DOOMED when we look back to the past, they did innovate a lot... no doubt the cripple era did exist due to marketing... they seem to be much more open now.... as R6 will never have an R5 level of AF last time.....

They also have more new lenses in range and aperture, like RF 28-70mm F2L, RF 100-300mm F2.8L, RF 24-105mm F2.8L IS Z, RF 35mm F14L VCM..... Just glad that I'm in Canon camp and see no reason for jumping...

I have the unfortunate issue of bringing 1 adapter when I have 2 bodies with 2 EF lenses for a shoot recently, but lucky it ended well as I have another RF lens.... will be good if all are EF or RF so that it is not so confusing..... but I will be in this mixed zone for a long while as I have EF 85mm F1.4L IS and EF 135mm F2L which I am unlikely to upgrade for a while......

RF 100-500 is 110g lighter than the EF 100-400mm... not sure if this is enough to warrant the buy but as I'm not familiar with the EF 100-400mm, maybe you can wait it out if you are not in a hurry... one of the issues I had with the RF 100-500 is that it cannot use extended in its 100-300mm range, which is a bit disappointing, while I believe the EF100-400mm could... not sure if you use extender though....

A compact lens is good... as shared earlier, seems like Canon noted the change in consumers wanting smaller and more compact lenses, we might see more innovation from their end and maybe a 70-150 F2L range type of lens for portraits (which has long been rumored, and might have been delayed due to change of design philosophy to compact product?)... that may induce GAS to me.....

May be a good time to be calm and play the waiting game for now....
 
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Just wonder why Canon is DOOMED when we look back to the past, they did innovate a lot... no doubt the cripple era did exist due to marketing... they seem to be much more open now.... as R6 will never have an R5 level of AF last time.....

They also have more new lenses in range and aperture, like RF 28-70mm F2L, RF 100-300mm F2.8L, RF 24-105mm F2.8L IS Z, RF 35mm F14L VCM..... Just glad that I'm in Canon camp and see no reason for jumping...

I have the unfortunate issue of bringing 1 adapter when I have 2 bodies with 2 EF lenses for a shoot recently, but lucky it ended well as I have another RF lens.... will be good if all are EF or RF so that it is not so confusing..... but I will be in this mixed zone for a long while as I have EF 85mm F1.4L IS and EF 135mm F2L which I am unlikely to upgrade for a while......

RF 100-500 is 110g lighter than the EF 100-400mm... not sure if this is enough to warrant the buy but as I'm not familiar with the EF 100-400mm, maybe you can wait it out if you are not in a hurry... one of the issues I had with the RF 100-500 is that it cannot use extended in its 100-300mm range, which is a bit disappointing, while I believe the EF100-400mm could... not sure if you use extender though....

A compact lens is good... as shared earlier, seems like Canon noted the change in consumers wanting smaller and more compact lenses, we might see more innovation from their end and maybe a 70-150 F2L range type of lens for portraits (which has long been rumored, and might have been delayed due to change of design philosophy to compact product?)... that may induce GAS to me.....

May be a good time to be calm and play the waiting game for now....
If I was shooting moxed EF and RF, yes I agree that juggling / managing the adapter could be an additional burden. However, I would use one camera body for the EF lenses with a permanent adapter fitted and the other camera body I would use strictly for RF lenses.

I'm pretty sure the R5 and R6 had the same AF system at launch, The R6ii has a slightly better AF system (more detection types), it's slightly faster and tracks a bit better. I've not compared the R5ii and the R6ii, but it's reasonable to assume that the R5ii is a bit better than the R6ii now. It's now 2 incremental generations better than the original R5. The question on many minds is it double the price better?
 
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Looking at this pic, I'm sooooo glad I got rid of the adapter and adopted natives RF lenses. I sold the EF 16-35mm F4 L and EF 100-400mm in 2020 for a very high value and got the RF 14-35mm F4 L (in dec 2022 before I had the 15-35mm for about 10 months) and the RF 100-500mm
The thing is: the RF 24-70mm f/2.8 isn't that much smaller, the difference is about 1 to 1,5cm, compared to the EF version with adapter. And same weight as the adapted EF lens.


if the new RF comes down around 800/900€
I'm expecting 950 to 1000€. I've been consistently able to purchase my RF lenses with rebates just a little over 30% from the MSRP. The 28-70 2.8 here costs 1399€, so I'm expecting close to 1000€. If I can sell my EF 24-70mm II for about 900€ (mint condition), which seems to the be what they're going for, here, these days, selling one adapter (I have two) will make up for the rest.
I may keep one adapter for some time, but I really want to end this process and move to RF permanently. It's been 3,5 years with adapter, I'm tired of this.

I still have a couple of Sigma jewels, the 40 f1.4 and especially the 105 f1.4 which are unmatched
I miss my Sigma 28mm f/1.4 Art, but I had the chance to get back all the money I paid for the lens brand new, and I took it. Now I'm using the RF 24mm f/1.8, but I definitely prefer 28mm, and I'm eagerly waiting for a RF 28mm with at least a f/1.8 aperture.
The Sigma 40mm f/1.4 Art still haunts me to this day. I had it at home for as little as 590€, from Amazon Warehouse, in mint condition. I can safely say that is the sharpest lens I ever tested in my life (and yes, I've tested the RF 50mm f/1.2). I simply had no use for such a specialised prime lens, as it's not the typical walkaround 35 to 40mm, and ended-up returning it.
 
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I'm very interested in the RF 100-500mm LIS, it's a bit longer than my existing EF 100-400 II LIS and it'll also be slightly better for shooting dragon flies and butter flies.
After going back and forth, I swapped the already fabulous EF 100-400mm L mkii for the RF 100-500mm for the following reasons:

- slightly lighter (about 200-250gr including and depending on which adapter you´re using)
- smaller (again, the adapter)
- MFD is better
- slightly faster AF (subjective feeling: noticeably, but probably not measurable)
- less focus breathing when going from 250mm to 400mm or above
- 100mm more reach
- again 100mm more reach (yeah, that haunted me)

These reasons all seem minor if you look at them individually. Put if you put them together and actually use the lens, it is a huge difference and a big reason to upgrade! Looking back, lighter, smaller and more reach would have been enough for me to change.

But I got to admit: I sold the EF version for a great return (actually got more money back than I initially paid for) and that really helped with the decision.
 
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The thing is: the RF 24-70mm f/2.8 isn't that much smaller, the difference is about 1 to 1,5cm, compared to the EF version with adapter. And same weight as the adapted EF lens.
While you are right about that, 1-1,5cm sometime makes all the difference, at least to me. The EF 16-35mm F4 L IS is 11.3 cm and the control ring adapter is 2,4cm. The RF 14-35mm F4 L is 10 cm. There is a difference of 3.7 cm (with adapter) or 1.3 cm (without adapter).

I used the Mindshiftgear Backlight backpack for quite a while and without the adapter the EF 16-35mm would fit in nicely. With the adapter on top, e.g. when I switched to the RF24-104mm or RF35mm f1.8 (my first two native RF lenses) I would leave the adapter on and I would have an uncomfortable dent in my backpack.

Using the Mindshiftgear Rotation 18 L is was even worse. The EF 16-35mm wouldn't fit with the adapter attached. Even without it, it was a close call... So, I had to take the adapter off every time I switched lenses although at that time I mostly used the RF 24-105mm.

So, for me, 1,5cm or 2.4 cm make a huge difference, especially when a lens is nearing or crossing the 10cm barrier. ! It´s the same on my PD everyday backpack.

The RF 28-70mm F2.8 compared to the RF 24-105mm F4 will save me an incredible 1.5 cm (irony) and about 200 gr. I will gladly take it. (Of course, I loose 35mm but I carry the 70-200mm F4 for that)
 
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