Canon to release a 100mp EOS R system camera next year [CR2]

Fischer

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I'm hoping this will be a better/faster tracking camera than the R. I know the R5 is probably a much better choice if I want that, but would love to have the 100 megapixels.

I've also discovered that my Tamron 45mm is horrible in bright light. Abysmal, actually. CA is out of control and the images get muddy. In moderate light, much better. So hoping I can get back some RF glass in a year or two.
If anything it should be better? 5DS/R improved the AF of the 5DIII in several dimensions including low light, accuracy and speed.
 

juststeve

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My hope is whatever sensor is chosen and for whichever group of photographers the camera is aimed Canon does not change much from the present ergonomics of the R5-6. Improvements could be made; for instance, larger more prominent function buttons. But over-all the R5-6 are pretty fine handling cameras, especially given their relatively small size.
 

Fischer

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And when I look at the size-matched comparisons in DxO Mark of the 5Ds vs the 5D IV, there doesn't appear to be much gain, if any, in image quality by shooting big and scaling down.
Not sure what comparisions you have looked at. But there's more detail with the 5DS/R - enough that you can see it on prints where details matter. It's not always pictures have small details and maybe your shooting does not require it. That would make the R6 a perfect choice. So there's something for everyone.
 
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Fischer

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Canon said the 5DS/R was a studio and landscape camera too. But it became a favorite for many nature shooters - and I did almost exclusive action shots with it because I need the ability to crop a lot sometimes.

So would take that part with more than a grain of salt. What we can hope is that it will have the same extra-dampened shutter that Canon gave the 5DS/R and which is one of the "secret" advantages of that camera.
 
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Fischer

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100 MPIX sounds great. 120 MPIX would be perfect. Less would hardly be enough compared to the 5DS/R. Was really worried that they would settle for 75 MPIX.

Regardless this sounds like the camera I have been hoping and holding out for since Canon announced their entry into the mirrorless market. One Preorder here Canon - thank you!
 

MarinnaCole

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I'm hoping this will be a better/faster tracking camera than the R. I know the R5 is probably a much better choice if I want that, but would love to have the 100 megapixels.

I've also discovered that my Tamron 45mm is horrible in bright light. Abysmal, actually. CA is out of control and the images get muddy. In moderate light, much better. So hoping I can get back some RF glass in a year or two.
A fast tracking camera like Sony Alpha 1 will need a much speedier processor. So likely you are looking at a 1DX-level camera in the mirrorless family. That is going to be a $5K~$10K camera.
 

Billybob

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Cue "no-one needs 100megapixels, because I don't need it and my computer is too slow" comments in 3...2...1....
Okay, I'll bite.

I don't need it and won't be buying it, but if true, I applaud Canon for going all the way to 100 rather than compromise at 80MP or similar. The resolution pretty much must be (at least) doubled to provide a perceptible benefit. 80MP is simply not a sufficiently large increase to provide significant benefits. 80MP would have duplicated the mistake Sony did with their 60MP camera. Without extreme pixel peeping I struggle--no--I don't see an improvement over images from their 42MP cameras. Thus, if Canon is going to ratchet up the pixel count, by all means break the 100MP barrier.

Of course, what lenses can resolve that resolution, who has the technique to take handheld shots at that resolution, and defraction sets in at f/2.8, and...;)
 
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MarinnaCole

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Cue "no-one needs 100megapixels, because I don't need it and my computer is too slow" comments in 3...2...1....
I am actually more interested to know how they can push dynamic range with 100MP sensor all on a small FF form factor. Pixel count only matters when dynamic range is good. I used to say Canon sensor is bad but they surprised me big time with R5. So perhaps they have more magic to show us.

I am speaking this as a 5DS R user for the past 6 years. 5DS R is a package with tons of pixels but no sensor performance. I am very tempted to buy R5 but I plan to wait for another year or so to see if they can show us something truly amazing.

and last but not least, 45MP and 100MP doesn't have a meaningful difference unless you are a specific kind of photographers.
 

dtaylor

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I've also discovered that my Tamron 45mm is horrible in bright light. Abysmal, actually. CA is out of control and the images get muddy. In moderate light, much better. So hoping I can get back some RF glass in a year or two.

Strange, I haven't seen this with mine at all. There's noticeable color fringing in OOF areas but this is true of every fast lens shooting wide open. CA at the plane of focus is very well controlled. Your lens might need service.
 

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I am actually more interested to know how they can push dynamic range with 100MP sensor all on a small FF form factor. Pixel count only matters when dynamic range is good. I used to say Canon sensor is bad but they surprised me big time with R5. So perhaps they have more magic to show us...
Keep in mind that the 90D's 32mp sensor scales up to 82mp on full frame, so 100mp isn't that far out of the range.
 

dtaylor

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I am actually more interested to know how they can push dynamic range with 100MP sensor all on a small FF form factor. Pixel count only matters when dynamic range is good. I used to say Canon sensor is bad but they surprised me big time with R5. So perhaps they have more magic to show us.

In theory pixel size should be directly related to dynamic range because of full well capacity, and lower density sensors should have a distinct advantage. In practice the 36mp D800 sensor set the bar for DR back in...2012?...and the needle has barely moved since that time. Also during that time the sensors to match or improve upon the D800 have all been high density sensors.

We even see this with Canon's old sensor tech as the 5Ds/sR had the best dynamic range for Canon prior to Canon's newer ADC tech in the 5D mark IV, 1DX mark II, etc. The 5Ds/sR had better DR than the original 1DX and the 6D.

I'm not sure why this is. Why doesn't FWC play a larger role, and why is everyone stuck just below 15ev of total DR. But my expectation is that this new sensor will be in the 14-15 stop range like everything else.

I am speaking this as a 5DS R user for the past 6 years. 5DS R is a package with tons of pixels but no sensor performance.

I just can't agree with that statement. The 5Ds/sR offer fine detail and sharpness which had been limited to MFDBs prior to 2015. DR is what it is which means I might have to bracket at times when an R5/D8x0/A7r owner can make do with a single frame. But 12.4 stops is Kodak Portra territory, and is only limiting in scenes with extreme brightness range.
 

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"The same source also mentions that it’s not simply going to be an EOS R5 body with a higher resolution sensor, but a camera geared towards landscape and studio photographers. What that means ergonomically, I’m not sure."
This statement surprises me. I always assumed that one of the advantages of the 5DsR was that it used the same body as the 5DIII, making production more efficient and saving costs for a body that was never a big seller. This will definitely be a niche camera and so I would expect they would want to reuse as much of the R5 tooling and parts as possible.
 
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I will take a 100mp with a good amount of salt but If Canon does introduce a camera with 100 or more MP it will closer to $5k mark is my guess
I would agree. I have a bunch of Canon gear, but I gotta be honest. If I'm looking at this type of high-megapixel camera in that price range, I think I would lean to the Fuji GFX 100s. Sure, it would be great to be able to use my Canon lenses on a new body like this, but the medium format option in the same price range offers some good advantages.
 

snappy604

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If anything it should be better? 5DS/R improved the AF of the 5DIII in several dimensions including low light, accuracy and speed.

mostly agree, but AF and tracking still could be improved.. I have R5 and it is very good and happy with the purchase, but there are certain situations where AF hunts, thankfully not many. The other big improvement if they can get it is global shutter, but highly unlikely in a higher megapixel camera. I'm stoked and love my R5 to bits, but Canon is really dropping the Mic lately (as in showing off it means business) and it's nice to see. I was pretty close to changing vendors before the R5/R6 came out
 

SteveC

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Okay, I'll bite.

I don't need it and won't be buying it, but if true, I applaud Canon for going all the way to 100 rather than compromise at 80MP or similar. The resolution pretty much must be (at least) doubled to provide a perceptible benefit. 80MP is simply not a sufficiently large increase to provide significant benefits. 80MP would have duplicated the mistake Sony did with their 60MP camera. Without extreme pixel peeping I struggle--no--I don't see an improvement over images from their 42MP cameras. Thus, if Canon is going to ratchet up the pixel count, by all means break the 100MP barrier.

Of course, what lenses can resolve that resolution, who has the technique to take handheld shots at that resolution, and defraction sets in at f/2.8, and...;)

You beat me to it!

I was going to go on half the rant, where I say I don't need this. But then pointedly leave out the stupid "conclusion" that therefore neither does anyone else.

This will be a specialty camera, for specialists. Some people really do need the 100+ MP. I'm not one of them; for most of what I do 32 MP is quite enough, but I will applaud this beast nevertheless when it shows up.