CanonRumors' accuracy rate on the R5 Mark II was abysmal

[t.linn]

The R5 had already been released when I came back to Canon from Fujifilm, making the R5 Mark II the first camera I've paid attention to on this site since coverage of the 5D III. I am not impressed. And before anyone points out that "this is a rumor site", so is FujiRumors. And FujiRumors is almost never wrong. Reading FujiRumors is like seeing into the future. CanonRumors would have done better on the R5 Mark II by just guessing. I now understand why so many people are dismissive of what is published here about unreleased bodies. I appreciate this site for other things, but future rumor posts...blah, blah, blah, whatever. Rumors are only fun when there's a reasonable likelihood that they are accurate.

 

[cinejunkie]

The site creators have long said it’s not their focus anymore. What confuses people is that “rumors” is still in the name of their website.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Specs are always difficult to pin down, especially since Canon seems to be plugging the holes. If FujiRumors is truly accurate, most likely Fuji is feeding them the information. Clearly, Canon is not taking that approach.

CR was spot on for the one issue that really mattered to me – what day/time preorders would open for the R1. I set my alarm for 5:55 AM this morning, was sitting at my computer at 5:59 AM, refreshed the B&H home page a few seconds after the clock rolled to 6:00 AM, and had my preorder completed by 6:01 AM.

Consider the discrepancies between the specs listed by Canon themselves in various countries (does the R5 II have cross type AF like it says on Canon USA? Does the R1 have GPS built in? Etc.), If Canon can't pin down their own specs even after the cameras have been announced, why would Canon Rumors be able to do so beforehand?

 

[meywd]

Consider the discrepancies between the specs listed by Canon themselves in various countries (does the R5 II have cross type AF like it says on Canon USA? Does the R1 have GPS built in? Etc.), If Canon can't pin down their own specs even after the cameras have been announced, why would Canon Rumors be able to do so beforehand?

Yup

 

[Noreaster]

Specs are always difficult to pin down, especially since Canon seems to be plugging the holes. If FujiRumors is truly accurate, most likely Fuji is feeding them the information. Clearly, Canon is not taking that approach.

CR was spot on for the one issue that really mattered to me – what day/time preorders would open for the R1. I set my alarm for 5:55 AM this morning, was sitting at my computer at 5:59 AM, refreshed the B&H home page a few seconds after the clock rolled to 6:00 AM, and had my preorder completed by 6:01 AM.

Consider the discrepancies between the specs listed by Canon themselves in various countries (does the R5 II have cross type AF like it says on Canon USA? Does the R1 have GPS built in? Etc.), If Canon can't pin down their own specs even after the cameras have been announced, why would Canon Rumors be able to do so beforehand?

But I didn't get you anything for Christmas

 

[AlanF]

The site creators have long said it’s not their focus anymore. What confuses people is that “rumors” is still in the name of their website.

More like some log on just to whinge about Canon or the site. That aside, there is a lot more here aside from rumours, being a general site for exchanging information and tips, reviewing and posting images. Just look at the index of threads.

 

[meywd]

More like some log on just to whinge about Canon or the site. That aside, there is a lot more here aside from rumours, being a general site for exchanging information and tips, reviewing and posting images. Just look at the index of threads.

The image posting part is less and less these days

 

[t.linn]

Specs are always difficult to pin down, especially since Canon seems to be plugging the holes. If FujiRumors is truly accurate, most likely Fuji is feeding them the information. Clearly, Canon is not taking that approach.

CR was spot on for the one issue that really mattered to me – what day/time preorders would open for the R1. I set my alarm for 5:55 AM this morning, was sitting at my computer at 5:59 AM, refreshed the B&H home page a few seconds after the clock rolled to 6:00 AM, and had my preorder completed by 6:01 AM.

Consider the discrepancies between the specs listed by Canon themselves in various countries (does the R5 II have cross type AF like it says on Canon USA? Does the R1 have GPS built in? Etc.), If Canon can't pin down their own specs even after the cameras have been announced, why would Canon Rumors be able to do so beforehand?

Glad you got your pre-order in, neuro. That was a nice catch regarding the cross-type sensor discrepancy.

I'm guessing you don't follow FujiRumors. Patrick is not getting fed info from the company. He was posting info about the next gen X-T3 before the disaster of the X-H1 was even officially announced. He talked about Fuji's plans to give feature parity to the X-T2 before the X-H1 went on sale. There is no way Fujifilm wanted either of those things to be public at that time. Those are just the first two examples that come to mind. Patrick is legit.

I'm not really blaming CanonRumors as much as I'm saying that their sources are worthless. What they got right are all things that one could guess: stacked sensor, better video specs, overheating issue addressed, improved AF, faster readout, reduced rolling shutter. Those, by the way, are all things that will be improved again with the Mark III. 45MP was always the most likely resolution. Meanwhile, the things that seemed out of the box for Canon, things that I would have called BS on in casual conversation with someone who was just speculating, all turned out to be as wrong as they sounded. I don't hold announcement dates or prices against CR. Those things can change at the last minute. It would not surprise me if Canon USA decided just within the last few weeks that they could get away with bilking US customers for another $300 above their originally planned price of the R5 II.

 

[AlanF]

The image posting part is less and less these days

I recall you posted recently that the images was one reason you liked the site.

 

[meywd]

I recall you posted recently that the images was one reason you liked the site.

Exactly but the traffic is way less now

 

[meywd]

I recall you posted recently that the images was one reason you liked the site.

And btw thank you for sharing so many bird images and so many useful info over the years

 

[neuroanatomist]

No, I don’t really follow Fuji (other than a general understanding of the types of cameras they offer, and that my kids use their Instax cameras for fun), nor do I follow the corresponding rumors website. If there is a reliable source of future information, that’s great! Canon does seem to keep a tighter lid, especially recently.

 

[t.linn]

The site creators have long said it’s not their focus anymore. What confuses people is that “rumors” is still in the name of their website.

What's even more confusing is that they are still posting rumors.

 

[JohnC]

No, I don’t really follow Fuji (other than a general understanding of the types of cameras they offer, and that my kids use their Instax cameras for fun), nor do I follow the corresponding rumors website. If there is a reliable source of future information, that’s great! Canon does seem to keep a tighter lid, especially recently.

I follow Fuji, and own some Fuji equipment. The Fuji rumors site does seem to be really accurate, but reading between the lines there seems to be some very good inside sources. The gentleman there will not post a rumor until he is told it's okay to do so. There could be a strategy there I suppose.

I agree that Canon is far more tight lipped.

 

[Jethro]

The Fuji rumors site does seem to be really accurate, but reading between the lines there seems to be some very good inside sources. The gentleman there will not post a rumor until he is told it's okay to do so.

I think that's been a big part of the issue on CR recently - that there seems to have been a lot of information (and spec and photos etc) available to the Admins, but the sources have specifically asked for it not to be published without separate confirmation to protect their identities. I'm sure that's been frustrating for everyone involved.

 

[TexPhoto]

My mother used to listen to my complaints as a child about school, sports, teachers etc with great interest. And then she would tell me to head back to the source of the problem and demand double my money back.
I always found the rumors interesting, but never put much stock into them. And I enjoy the forums, but there is often so little traffic now that it seems a little sad to post. Ah well...

 

[vikingar]

I've gotten great use out of this site, and while there may have been less scoops than in the past I think there's still plenty of great information to be had here. Even just organizing all the little tidbits we get from Canon is very useful (lens roadmap, number of lenses per year, etc).

And there was perfectly good info here. E.g. the patents analysis, which told us cross-type / quad-AF on the R1 was likely. Or that the R1 was in the hands of some people for testing. I remember a patent about a cooled grip. And those TS lenses with AF will show up at some point too.

It's also not the heyday of cameras anymore, so less fun and outlandish rumors to be had. And frankly I'm happy the info here is mostly solid, and not pure clickbait like on Youtube.

 

[Canon Rumors Guy]

The R5 had already been released when I came back to Canon from Fujifilm, making the R5 Mark II the first camera I've paid attention to on this site since coverage of the 5D III. I am not impressed. And before anyone points out that "this is a rumor site", so is FujiRumors. And FujiRumors is almost never wrong. Reading FujiRumors is like seeing into the future. CanonRumors would have done better on the R5 Mark II by just guessing. I now understand why so many people are dismissive of what is published here about unreleased bodies. I appreciate this site for other things, but future rumor posts...blah, blah, blah, whatever. Rumors are only fun when there's a reasonable likelihood that they are accurate.

Well, people pick and choose... some are just negative and feel that everything should come out beforehand. The core specifications have been correct for a couple of months. So I dunno what your beef is?

I think part of it is the constant grifting on YouTube and people there just running with whatever appears on this site and making up their own things and we take the hit, which is fine. You're just saying what has been said for 15+ years. There are two types of people in the world........

Then there are the people on Reddit and Discord.... I couldn't care less about those people, they don't shoot... so why should they even matter? All they do is create a vacuum..... and certain types of people jump on in.

Retailers didn't get assets or pricing until about 18 hours before the official announcements, and that was true pretty much globally. Pricing wasn't nailed down until July 11 in the USA, the $3999 price was true, until it wasn't. Japan increased the cost to subsidiaries, maybe it's the Yen, maybe it was something else, who knows? A few regions didn't even know the pricing until they received the assets.

We took a lot of "s***" for saying the R1 would have a 24mp sensor a long while ago.

We couldn't share images from people that had hands-on. In most of those presentations between retailers and Canon reps, phones were taken. However, we did our best to describe things accurately, which we did. We broke down the cooling grip and how all of that was going to work well in advance.

The days of official spec list PDFs leaking a month in advance are gone. We have to talk to people, and sometimes people are incorrect, we no longer receive little tidbits from Canon themselves, 50% of the time, it's hearsay that we have to go on.

We have pretty much had a 90% hit rate on our long standing lens roadmap........ We know that two of those lenses have been delayed, but we'll see one of them soonish.

Announcement dates have been a constant struggle, but again, what's true today, may not be tomorrow. That is the current landscape with Canon.

But hey, at least Canon isn't going to create fake demand trying to be Leica.... I feel for the FR guy, they feed him and then screw him.

 

[Richard CR]

The R5 had already been released when I came back to Canon from Fujifilm, making the R5 Mark II the first camera I've paid attention to on this site since coverage of the 5D III. I am not impressed. And before anyone points out that "this is a rumor site", so is FujiRumors. And FujiRumors is almost never wrong. Reading FujiRumors is like seeing into the future. CanonRumors would have done better on the R5 Mark II by just guessing. I now understand why so many people are dismissive of what is published here about unreleased bodies. I appreciate this site for other things, but future rumor posts...blah, blah, blah, whatever. Rumors are only fun when there's a reasonable likelihood that they are accurate.

we were pretty accurate. we told you when we weren't sure but were hearing things, and told you those too out of general interest. I think the only big thing we swung and missed was the EVF tilting, and that was probably my fault.

If you can't be an adult and realize that rumors are never a perfect science than I really don't know what to say to you.

but you should really read this. It may actually give you an understanding into the process and why it's never 100% guaranteed.

ALso, I doubt you have any idea how much work goes into this website - or even the vetting of rumors and information.

Opinion: Rumors and Websites

I originally did this article on CanonNews but talking to Craig about the latest R1 stuff, and whatnot, it seemed like a good idea to update it and redraft it to be more modern. I’m going to keep the…

www.canonrumors.com

 

[Richard CR]

I follow Fuji, and own some Fuji equipment. The Fuji rumors site does seem to be really accurate, but reading between the lines there seems to be some very good inside sources. The gentleman there will not post a rumor until he is told it's okay to do so. There could be a strategy there I suppose.

I agree that Canon is far more tight lipped.

Canon has really nailed down things. we don't get the same information that we used to, and Canon is using the information they do get to trap retailers that leak.

I think fuji looks at it as a marketing arm - canon looks at it as a pest that it wants to stomp out.