Does Canon really deserve this?

[sanj]

I browse this website quite often since 2012. I have never seen so many negative comments about Canon these days in comparison with before.
Does Canon really not satisfying its customers lately or is it that there are new members in the forum who like to put down Canon in comparison with other companies?

 

[Loswr]

DRones.

 

[AcutancePhotography]

I browse this website quite often since 2012. I have never seen so many negative comments about Canon these days in comparison with before.
Has Canon really not satisfying its customers lately or is it that there are new members in the forum who like to put down Canon in comparison with other companies?

The answer is probably yes. ;D

One should NEVER consider posts on an Internets Tubes forum to be representative of a population. Now if each person were allowed one and only one post, that would be different. But on these types of forums the same groups of people can, and do, make a multitude of posts pushing their opinion.

You can't blame them. That is the whole purpose of these types of forums -- people to share their opinions.

But CR is pretty bad about that. If you compare CR with say Nikon Rumors, which I also haunt, you will see a world of difference between the types of posts. That is one of the reasons I like to hang out here. Not only do I still shoot Canon but the entertainment value of CR far surpasses the other camera forums.

But that is just the nature of the people here. But people posting opinions on a forum should not influence someone's opinion of the cameras they use.

Bottom line, it really does not matter what other people think of Canon, if you like Canon.

I am sure there are people here who would like this forum to be restricted to only posts favourable to Canon. I prefer a more balanced approach... it is more entertaining that way. ;D

 

[jdramirez]

I think Canon has been quite conservative lately and the criticism is not entirely of base. The dynamic range conversation is stupid, but I acknowledge Canon lags behind in that department.

I'm a little annoyed at the number of bodies they put the 18mp sensor in, t2i, t3i, t4i, t5i, t5, sl1, 60d, 7d, and the mirror less... seriously... if you do portrait or landscape, there hasn't been a rebel worth upgrading to because it is all the same camera... unless you rely on auto focus.

Other than a few video/live view break through, it is hard to say they are revolutionizing the industry... also, after today I will have 4k video in my phone, but not in my $3000 slr. I don't want Canon handicapping gear because it will eat into the sales of other high end gear.

Having said all that, I'm more than happy with my 5d mkiii. I love the 600ex rt system, and their lenses are a work of art... so I'm happy... though I understand why others might not be.

 

[alexanderferdinand]

The 18MP in very much cameras- that was a real PITA.
Halfhearted mirrorless, lost the top position they had with the 5dmk2.

On the plzs side: excellent new lenses
And the radiocontrolled flashes.

Sometimes I think of Canon consisting of two different philosophies...

 

[pdirestajr]

I think Canon satisfies photographers. I think the majority of complaints come from consumers that are way more interested in the latest and greatest gear and technology, and like the science of the technology that goes into making cameras and lenses.

But go over to Nikon Rumors and you will see endless complaints about Nikon not listening to their forum experts and how all every Nikon shooter ever wanted was a "true" D700 replacement and a D300 replacement... Basically people will just complain over what they dont have.

 

[Cosmicbug]

I love my Canon system.

 

[wickidwombat]

i love my 5Dmk3
i love my eos-m and 11-22
and i'm especially loving my lifepixel converted eos -m these days

 

[JonAustin]

Another very satisfied Canon customer here (SLR systems, P&S cameras, scanners, printers), as well as a volunteer evangelist of their products to others in my "community." If I have a question, I'll post it here. If I have a complaint, I'll send it to Canon.

I sometimes wonder about the emotional age of some of the ranters. Also, how much free time they must have on their hands. No company can be all things to all people. Just because Canon doesn't develop their product line precisely to your personal liking is no reason to throw a tantrum over it.

My only complaint is that my gear wants exceed my gear needs by a significant margin. I try really hard to restrict myself to only the gear I need and will use (particularly lenses). I occasionally give in to temptation, and then end up eventually selling a lens that just sits and collects dust.

 

[mb66energy]

I browse this website quite often since 2012. I have never seen so many negative comments about Canon these days in comparison with before.
Has Canon really not satisfying its customers lately or is it that there are new members in the forum who like to put down Canon in comparison with other companies?

I think Canon is still very conservative - but that's not bad at all: It means too that Canon is "stable". A 20sth. year old EF 2.8/24 (non-USM, non-IS) works well on a EOS-M which is a bit younger.
Cameras like 20D or 40D are REAL TOOLS with good hardware control layout, nearly flawless ergonomics.

The 7D mark ii is just a minor upgrade in many terms for a 5 year old camera but ... what I see from reviews and samples it has a very advanced AF system and at least the noise characteristics of the sensor is much improved. And changing from 40D to 7D mk ii might be as easy to change from eating tofu with chopsticks to eating chicken with chopsticks.

I am shure Canon will surprise us in the next months with a high megapixel FF body. The sensor tech of the 7D mk ii on a FF chip will give a 50 MPix camera for good to medium light conditions. Postprocessing will allow to get 10 or 20 MPix files with good high ISO results.

One observation - which is NOT representative - besides criticism on canonrumors: A lot of shops in my home town (a smaller town in germany) exhibit only Fuji, Olympus and Panasonic cameras. Some nikon stuff but Canon stuff only in homeopathic doses. The 7d mk ii istn't available at big electronic markets nor amazon germany.

Best - Michael

 

[2n10]

You have technophiles who want to keep up with the Joneses. They may or may not be users or simply trolls.

Then there are those who believe that the world revolves around them, whether they will admit it or not, and expect to see equipment that they want. If it is not produced they whine, snivel and bitch to the max.

The world in general has become so accustomed to convenience that most do not wish to spend the time to produce art. They want it produced for them and then put their name on it.

You must remember that those who are willing to complain far out number those who will complement.

So, having made my rant/shared my thoughts I am quite happy with Canon and will learn to use my equipment to the best of my and its ability for whatever application I wish to attempt.

 

[RLPhoto]

I'm at the point where the 5D3 is doing everything I need it to do and getting what I want from it with minimal hassle. The 600rts, the superb lineup of lenses and AF is what keeps me here. If another company did a better system than canon, I'd be there already.

 

[TeT]

The criticism is valid & not a problem. They are lagging behind whether through inaction orr technological deficiencies. What I disliked was the series of high jacked posts mostly in sept & october...

Other than that its a fun (ridiculously so at times) & informative forum.

John

 

[distant.star]

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Brings to mind a scene in the movie, "Unforgiven." Will Munny (Clint Eastwood) is about to kill Little Bill Daggett (Gene Hackman).

Little Bill: I don't deserve to die like this. I was building a house.
Will Munny: Deserve's got nothin' to do with it.

 

[Eldar]

I believe Canon provide the best over all system. The main reason for saying that is the width of available lenses. A number of lenses are only available in Canon mount and all the interesting third party lenses are also available. But it is also true that you have to spend rather large sums of money to get access to these lenses. The price introduction points for the new 16-35 and the 100-400 was a pleasant surprise though and makes me more optimistic for the future.

But the criticism they get for their sensors is in my opinion well deserved. But there is no question that some posters on CR are totally out of line. But I find them on both sides of the fence. It is ridiculous to state that a Canon camera is useless and it is also ridiculous to state that Canon sensors (provided the photographer is sufficiently qualified) equal the current state of the art. DRones and Canonites throwing rocks at each other in never ending and quite unintelligent arguments, leaves both groups in rather unflattering light. The Canonites are just as guilty as the DRones to keep these silly threads going.

I love my 1DX and there is no better alternative anywhere else at the moment. But if a new body with a sensor with equal DR and resolution as the 810 sensor came along, I would get it in a heart beat, not to replace my 1DX, but to augment it. I think such a body is long over due and I think we on this forum should make sure Canon understand that we are quite impatient.

 

[dak723]

Satisfied Canon user here. My take is that there are far too many folks on the forum who think technology makes the photo. They are more concerned with test results, sensor comparisons and all the technical information that is on the web. Test results show that other sensors are better, therefore Canon sucks - is the basic thought process. They are obsessed with noise and DR. Many of us who spent many years with film admittedly don't get it. Photos can be grainy - and quite frankly - often look better grainy than having the plastic-smooth overly processed look. More DR means less contrast - yet contrast could be considered more important in the eyes of many. Folks want more MP, and yet on at least a few websites, reviewers note that without a tripod, there is no difference between 24 MP and 36 MP. And, yet, people want even more MPs! Unless you print larger than 8" x 10" there is virtually no difference between photos taken with an SL1 with kit lens and a 6D with "L" lens, but people want to believe that they need the best cameras and the best lenses. (In fact, at 8' x 10" printed size, there is no discernible difference between pics taken with my old Canon 300D and my new 6D). So if a Sony sensor tests as being 10% better than the Canon sensor, then obviously the Sony pics will be so much better...although you probably won't be able to tell the difference purely by eye!

A good photo is the result of subject matter, composition, atmosphere, contrast, color. And yet, it seems like those topics aren't even considered by many. For them a good photo is judged by the amount of noise and the Dynamic Range.

All that being said, there are some folks you take pics in extreme conditions - very low light, astrophotography, etc. For them, the difference is meaningful and I can understand their frustration. If Canon doesn't meet their needs they should switch. There is no reason to think that Canon has the knowledge (or the ability to come up with new patents that don't infringe on Sony's patents) to substantially improve their sensors in the near future. But if all you need is a solid, dependable camera that will last you 5 to 10 years and take great pictures, then there is no reason to be disappointed. If you want the latest and greatest and want to upgrade every two years, then by all means, switch.

 

[Perio]

I like my Canon, and I showed my loyalty to Canon by buying 100L macro, 85 1.2ii, macro ring flash and 70d just during the past few months. I feel just Sony became much more competitive, and many people now see Sony, and not Nikon, as a major Canon's rival.

 

[monkey44]

dak723: I agree with you -- too much tech talk, not enough art talk.

Some see the forest, some see a tree -- and enjoy it. Then, some worry that a camera/lens/PC combination can't bring out every leaf wrinkle, without realizing some of those leaves are dead, but add beauty and completeness to that image regardless.

I happen to like my Canon gear - have used Canon all my professional life. When it stops giving me what I need to succeed, I'll switch, until then, Canon stays in my bag and on my tripod.

 

[Viggo]

I stayed with Canon even though they screwed me over royally with the 1d3, and it paid off, the mk4 was a superb improvement, but I wanted something REALLY awesome, and along came the 1dx which I think is the greatest camera ever to be released (because it does everything great). I can't really see myself needing or even wanting anything more. They learned from their mistake and went all in with the 1dx and it shows. Same with every new lens, they are beyond fantastic, and the the new radio flashes which also were fantastic. People need to step back and see how much cool stuff Canon has made for us....

 

[sanj]

Thank you for your insights.