Double shutter sound on the R

Sep 11, 2018
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Have someone encountered this? When I press the shutter sound, it clicks twice, but there's one picture.
There's no difference whether I choose shooting RAW or RAW+JPEG...
 

Ramage

EOS R5
Aug 27, 2019
235
345
Go to Menu -> Camera settings page 6 and change the Silent LV Shoot from Disabled to Mode 1 and it will just make a single shutter sound.
 
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Viggo

EOS R5
Dec 13, 2010
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Go to Menu -> Camera settings page 6 and change the Silent LV Shoot from Disabled to Mode 1 and it will just make a single shutter sound.
What’s worse though, destroying your shots or live with the sound?
 

Sharlin

EOS R
Dec 26, 2015
1,312
1,074
Turku, Finland
When the electronic first curtain shutter is disabled, the mechanical shutter must first close, then open to start the exposure, then close again to end the exposure, then open once more to continue the EVF/Live View feed. When EFCS is enabled, the mechanical shutter only has to close at the end of exposure and open again.
 

Viggo

EOS R5
Dec 13, 2010
4,547
1,237
Viggo,

"Destroying your shots" please enlighten me.
Horrible bokeh, less blur, weird things going on in the blured areas. I didn't know the R was default set to Mode 1 and it ruined my two first shoots.
 

Ramage

EOS R5
Aug 27, 2019
235
345
Interesting I only shoot in this mode and have not had any issues. (that I am aware of)

Just a quick example with the 15-35, I think the bokeh looks good.

Will mess around with the LV Disabled

Thanks
 

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SteveC

R5
Sep 3, 2019
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If I understand what's going on here, in the two click mode, you're hearing the shutter close, then open, then again, so the sequence occurs twice.

Whereas in a single click mode on a DSLR NOT in live view, what you'd hear is the opposite (open, then close), and only once, right?

(I wonder if close-then-open sounds appreciably different from open-then-close?)
 

LesC

EOS RP
Jun 27, 2013
283
73
Essex, UK
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I hear only one sound on short exposures ie 1/250th of a sec but notice that on longer exposures, say for example 1/4 of a second, when you press the shutter button it appears as if there's a delay before you hear the shutter sound. I assume this is because on a dslr I'm used to hearing the mirror go up & shutter open then the shutter close whereas on the R all I hear is the shutter close?? Maybe .... I'm confused :confused:
 

LesC

EOS RP
Jun 27, 2013
283
73
Essex, UK
500px.com
I think I know what's happening at least with the one click scenario ... with the R it is suggested to change lenses with camera switched off - as the shutter is closed. When you first switch on the camera, you hear a noise - this is the shutter opening. So when you take a picture, the one click you hear is the shutter closing at the end of the exposure and then immediately opening again ready for the next shot. That would explain why there seems appears to be a delay on longer exposures - the sound you hear is always the shutter close/open action but obviously with a longer exposure this happens a fraction later after pressing the shutter than with a very shot exposure. I'll have to try the 2 click setting to see if I prefer it...
 

Viggo

EOS R5
Dec 13, 2010
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What about shutter shock? EFCS is default on EOS R for a reason.
Has never been an issue, even with my DSLR’s. I think Canon set it to default because the camera seems much more snappy. My one gripe with the R is the shutter lag, wish it was instant like the 1-series.
 

angrykarl

R, M5
Jul 19, 2017
56
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Has never been an issue, even with my DSLR’s. I think Canon set it to default because the camera seems much more snappy. My one gripe with the R is the shutter lag, wish it was instant like the 1-series.
It depends on what you shoot, but it's supposed to be a bigger problem with mirrorless than with DSLRs. For example Nikon Zs launched with default mechanical shutter and it was a problem, so they introduced a firmware update with Auto mode, that chooses shutter mode based on shutter speed. I wish Canon would do the same for EOS R.
 

koenkooi

EOS R
Feb 25, 2015
1,182
971
What about shutter shock? EFCS is default on EOS R for a reason.
I've had one situation with an R where shutter shock was horrible: using an IS lens in the 1/160 - 1/200 range. I was using the R + 100mm L + flash to photograph butterflies and was getting motion blur. Turning IS off would fix it, as would switching back to EFCS.
I only had the R for a week, but I didn't see shuttershock in any other situation, nothing with the RF50 or RF85 indoors or after dark.

Shot from that series (without shuttershock):


20190709-IMG_0522.jpg
by Koen Kooi, on Flickr
 
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angrykarl

R, M5
Jul 19, 2017
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I've had one situation with an R where shutter shock was horrible: using an IS lens in the 1/160 - 1/200 range. I was using the R + 100mm L + flash to photograph butterflies and was getting motion blur. Turning IS off would fix it, as would switching back to EFCS.
I only had the R for a week, but I didn't see shuttershock in any other situation, nothing with the RF50 or RF85 indoors or after dark.
I think it happened to me once when shooting evening landscape with RF 24-105, but maybe it was just motion blur. Since then I have EFCS as default unless shooting portraits.

Nice macro pic, btw.
 

koenkooi

EOS R
Feb 25, 2015
1,182
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Is there a consensus here in this thread? Is Mode 1 better or worse for IQ than Disabled???
"It depends" :) If you have large aperture lenses like the f/1.2 ones, with fast shutter speeds you get less bokeh with EFCS. I haven't heard of other downsides to it.
 

Ramage

EOS R5
Aug 27, 2019
235
345
Is there a consensus here in this thread? Is Mode 1 better or worse for IQ than Disabled???
I did some shooting on the weekend and I was not able to tell the difference with Mode 1 disabled or enabled.

Used the following:
  1. Rf 15-35mm
  2. 100-400mm MKI
  3. Rf 35mm
  4. RF 24-105mm
I do not own any of the fast primes. (Have not been able to get the expense approved through the appropriations committee (my wife). YET!)

For me if there is a chance that Mode 1 is degrading my shots I will simply disable it. That said I have not seen any evidence in my photos this is true, but thanks to this thread I now understand what the camera is doing with the "double" shutter sound. When I first ran into the the double shutter I thought something was wrong and had to figure out how to disable it cause it was not "normal".
 
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