EOS 5D Mark IV & IVc Specs Surface, Most Likely Bogus [CR0]

[Canon Rumors]

A new spec list for the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV is making the rounds. We don't put any stock in and it's likely just clickbait. We have rated this [CR0]

Canon EOS 5D Mark IV will have a 28mp full frame sensor, 12 fps, Dual Pixel autofocus system AF III, crop mode (or clipping) to 1.3x, to simulate the sensor size of the EOS 1D old series, or 1.6x , to simulate the size of Canon's APS-C sensor, anti-technology flickr; sensitivity from 100 to 204.800iso, 409,600 in extended mode.
Canon EOS 5D Mark IV c: 18MP full frame sensor, very useful for optimizing the performance at high ISO and burst. Dual Pixel III AF autofocus system with 61 points of focus, ISO sensitivity from 100 to 204,800, 4k video.

It's Friday, have fun with it. I've been emailed a bunch of times about the above spec lists and just like Keith over at Northlight, we feel it's nonsense. There will not be a "prosumer" 4K DSLR from Canon in the next round of updates. The EOS-1D X Mark II will get the 4K video, but that's beyond the prosumer market.

We won't be linking the original source, but Northlight has if you're curious.

 

[bluemoon]

those specs would make more sense for the DXII. Could it it just be a mix up with the model?

pierre

 

[SilverSnake]

anti-technology flicker

That sounds... useful? :

 

[K]

Framerate would all depend on the 1DX2

Nikon D5 is rumored to come in at 15fps. Canon must surpass that. So we're probably looking at 16.

At 16fps, what would be acceptable for a 5D series camera?

My guess is 8. I don't think they will up it to 10 or more. They'll leave 10 for the 7D2 niche. The 5D usually has 1/2 the speed of the 1D line. I suspect this trend will continue. The big reason why high FPS is not a good idea in the 5D series is because Canon doesn't want anyone getting good full frame sports performance on the cheap. Want lots of FPS, step up to 1D - or settle for Crop.

Remember, there's no telling how many of those FPS are with mirror lockup at this point, thus limiting the mirror shots to a lower FPS. This lowers the ceiling a bit and I doubt Canon wants a FF to come anywhere close to that.

Hearing the talk/rumors about 4K in the 1DX2 ...I almost get the feeling this will not happen in the 5D line. I get an impression of difficulty to implement - which if true, Canon might get stingy and leave it out of the 5D series. All the talk about heat issues and whatnot.

In fairness to Canon, if they do that - it would be mostly for technical reasons. Canon is not a company that just throws in specs or features for the sake of doing so. They make sure these features actually work in a professional environment and are robust. Other companies add these things in, but it is always with some flaw or compromise. A poor or lacking implementation. When people buy Canon, no they are not always getting bleeding edge specs - but they are buying an assurance that what the camera actually can do - it will do properly and reliably in a wide range of pro applications.

However, while Canon would be doing the right thing - to the marketplace it would be the wrong thing and it will be brutal on them from a PR standpoint.

I was a huge skeptic about the dual-model 5D line. But it may actually come true if the one camera will be build with internals to handle 4K in a reliable manner. I just find it odd they would dedicate a mid-range pro camera's design just for 4K. But I understand the internet media would thrash Canon to death if they don't.

 

[Don Haines]

anti-technology flicker

That sounds... useful? :

I assume that's the latest Sony sensor

 

[Pookie]

You missed it... it's anti technology flickr !!! It will only allow Zenfolio and SmugMug uploads.

 

[ahsanford]

I'm still sticking with the following theory about the 5D4:

• There will be only one. I don't expect a 5D4 and 5D4 R like the 5DS line.
  
  
• It will have a higher framerate and lower MP count than the 5DS line. (That's a certainty, right?)
  
  
• The camera will designed to record 4K, but we won't know that or be able to use it at launch. It won't be in the menu system and won't be stated in the launch marketing collaterals. Canon will launch with only HD/1080 video, and if sales truly tank because of this, they drop a firmware surprise and aggressively push it as a 4K rig. I know people hate this approach, but it's a shrewd way for Canon to hedge its bets on protecting Cinema EOS / 1DX Mark II sales vs. keeping their customers happy.
  
  
• Hooooooopefully -- given that it needs to differentiate as more of an all-battlefield professional rig unlike the studio/tripod monster the 5DS is -- it will get the 1DX II's super fancy new AF system.
  
  
  
• If they don't give me spot metering at any AF point in 2016 (when Nikon has that feature on crop rigs, for @#$@'s sake), I believe I will cry.

That is all.

- A

 

[[email protected]]

No 4K on 5D4 admin, it is sure?
That's an epic fail from Canon if it is the case, and it makes me very happy I switched from 5DIII to A7R II.
Won't consider going back to Canon if there is no 4K.
That would be a joke..... They opened up the DSLR market to video with the 5D2, did tons of sales thanks to it and now they won't put 4K on a 3500$ where all the competition have it, from phone to compact camera to FF camera to pro cameras ... ?
Non sens. How will this look like in 2 years from now when even on a Nikon D5xxx you will have 4K...

 

[Niki]

Hello !!!

Yes the new 5d will have 4k!

 

[ahsanford]

And, branding-wise, I see little logic to bifurcating the 5D4 line into 'normal' and 'video'. If a heavily video-leaning rig is coming (I mean, 80+% of people would buy such a rig for video), it should get ti's own brand distinction.

Then the non-gripped professional line of FF rigs would be 5DS/R + 5D4 + 5D(Something else).

That would be something akin to Sony's A7R II + A7 II + A7S II. High-res, all-purpose, and video. That would work, I guess. I'm torn on whether such a 'specialized rig platform' strategy is better than Nikon's good/better/best setup of the D610/D750/D810.

- A

 

[unfocused]

Craig seems awfully confident that there will be no 4K in the 54IV. I'm skeptical, but this explanation makes sense:

Hearing the talk/rumors about 4K in the 1DX2 ...I get an impression of difficulty to implement... All the talk about heat issues and whatnot.

...In fairness to Canon, if they do that - it would be mostly for technical reasons. Canon is not a company that just throws in specs or features for the sake of doing so. They make sure these features actually work in a professional environment and are robust...

...However, while Canon would be doing the right thing - to the marketplace it would be the wrong thing and it will be brutal on them from a PR standpoint.

From a marketing standpoint I agree with ahsanford:

And, branding-wise, I see little logic to bifurcating the 5D4 line into 'normal' and 'video'. If a heavily video-leaning rig is coming (I mean, 80+% of people would buy such a rig for video), it should get it's own brand distinction.

But, the million dollar question is: have digital cameras evolved to the point where the trade-offs between video and stills create too many compromises? The 5DII was the "convergence" camera. Are we now getting to the point where the lines need to diverge? Only Canon knows the answer to that, but I can see the possibility. Whether it would be a new line or a "cinema" version, I don't know. Honestly, I would think that an 80D would be the logical place for a video-centric camera, as the 70D is already close. It would shake things up quite a bit if the 80D did 4K, kept the touch/flip screen, added a headphone input, added a higher frame rate for slow-motion and offered improved focus tracking. And, the smaller sensor (which is still large by cinema standards) would not compete with Canon's high-end line.



Since the listed specs are acknowledged to be bogus, not much point on commenting on them. The 5DIV specs will largely be driven by the 1DxII specs. I'm not a fan of the word "crippling," but I do understand the need for product differentiation and there do need to be some differences between the 1DX and 5D. So, what the 5D IV gets will be driven by how big of a leap the 1DX II makes and frankly I wonder what more can be done or if we are starting to hit the upper limits.

I doubt if Canon is worried about protecting the 7DII, so I could see a 5D IV that is basically the same as the 7DII in all features, but carries a 24mp full frame sensor. That alone would make for a very sweet upgrade.

 

[FEBS]

Keep on dreaming guys,

when 20% of that spec would be true, then you would even surprise me. There will be no revolution.

 

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

totally bogus 50-60% of this rumor
im'a go out on a limb and say
the 5D4 will have a single or dual Digic 6+ or 7 processors
a new sensor 22-25 mp
fps will be 8 "why go and violate the 7D Mark 2 sales"
no 4K video only 720-1080p 24-60 fps (if they put in 4k then the camera will be $3000-3200 easily and the market will be flooded with used or good condition 5D3's
even better and improved weather sealing (5d3/7D2 sealing combo"
the combo EF and EF-S mount so we can use STM/DPAF lenses on them "would be great
65 point AF like the 7D2
a 1.6x crop option as well reducing it too 6-7fps if using it on action
anti flickr tech 2.0
(wish dey found a new way too put wifi)

 

[ahsanford]

I doubt if Canon is worried about protecting the 7DII, so I could see a 5D IV that is basically the same as the 7DII in all features, but carries a 24mp full frame sensor. That alone would make for a very sweet upgrade.

For sports/wildlife/action people: 1.6x reach, 10 FPS with top-notch tracking, and the 1DX AF system will honestly protect the 7D2 for 3-4 years despite any other advancements crop sensors see over that time. A full-frame rig does not steal action 7D2 users because if you are in the action/sports/wildlife 'reach' world, moving from crop to FF breaks you financially to get back the length you used to have in crop. Those folks stay put and are deeply loyal (consider: Nikon doesn't even offer a 7D2 'professional crop' equivalent product line).

For general users who buy the 7D2: Yes, FF rigs -- esp. the 6D or 6D2 down the road -- will certainly poach general (non-action) shooters from the 7D2 pool, but Canon is ecstatic about that as EF lenses cost more than EF-S lenses.

So, personally, I see the stills side of the 1D / 5D / 7D rigs as symbiotically linked to help each other improve generation over generation. They share AF systems, interface improvements, all that. You just opt in for the one that makes sense for your needs and your budget.

- A

 

[kefirm]

The key question is WHEN?!
Cause I am starting to turn more and more into Sony A7R II.

 

[WeekendWarrior]

No 4K on 5D4 admin, it is sure?
That's an epic fail from Canon if it is the case, and it makes me very happy I switched from 5DIII to A7R II.
Won't consider going back to Canon if there is no 4K.
That would be a joke..... They opened up the DSLR market to video with the 5D2, did tons of sales thanks to it and now they won't put 4K on a 3500$ where all the competition have it, from phone to compact camera to FF camera to pro cameras ... ?
Non sens. How will this look like in 2 years from now when even on a Nikon D5xxx you will have 4K...

My thoughts exactly.. If Canon skips out on 4K this time around, that means it won't be implemented for another few years and by then every company will have 6K before Canon can even get 4K..

 

[Tugela]

If it comes with Digic 7 processors, it very likely will have nominal 4K video capability. If it comes with Digic 6 processors, like the 7D2, then it will be HD video capable only.

 

[Maximilian]

anti-technology flicker

That sounds... useful? :

*lol*

 

[unfocused]

I doubt if Canon is worried about protecting the 7DII, so I could see a 5D IV that is basically the same as the 7DII in all features, but carries a 24mp full frame sensor. That alone would make for a very sweet upgrade.

For sports/wildlife/action people: 1.6x reach, 10 FPS with top-notch tracking, and the 1DX AF system will honestly protect the 7D2 for 3-4 years despite any other advancements crop sensors see over that time. A full-frame rig does not steal action 7D2 users because if you are in the action/sports/wildlife 'reach' world, moving from crop to FF breaks you financially to get back the length you used to have in crop. Those folks stay put and are deeply loyal (consider: Nikon doesn't even offer a 7D2 'professional crop' equivalent product line)...

Not sure where we disagree. I use the 7D II almost exclusively for sports. But, if the 5DIV had the 7DII autofocus and, say, 9-10 FPS, I'd be using it for indoor sports (better low light performance) and the 7DII for outdoor sports (better reach).

My point was simply that some will say Canon won't undermine the 7DII (in fact at least one person has already made that claim.) That's not the way Canon thinks, despite what some Canon haters claim. I was simply trying to make the point that Canon won't hesitate to put as many of the 7DII specs into a full frame 5DIV and if they do that, it will be sweet. For me personally, if the 5DIV comes out in mid-2016, I won't be upgrading for another nine months to a year anyway, since I will wait until the price settles. At that point, if the 5D specs are similar to the 7DII, my 7DII may see a lot less use for indoor sports.

 

[Maximilian]

...We have rated this [CR0]...

I wouldn't even give that a [CR-1]
or - as I stated before in another thread about this - you'll need some salt mine dump of salt for that