Industry News: Nikon announces the NIKKOR Z 28-75mm f/2.8 and development of the NIKKOR Z 800mm f/6.3 VR S
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Yes, same principle or at least the same result. See the Nikon 300 PF and 500PF.
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Optical formula on the 28-75mm f/2.8 appears to be identical to the first generation Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 for E-Mount. Looks like it's just a rebranded version. That lens was pretty good, but it's a shame it's not the excellent second generation.
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WOW!!
If they can make that 800mm 2.5Kg I'm buying a Z9 and running two systems!
If they can make that 800mm 2.5Kg I'm buying a Z9 and running two systems!
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This 28-75mm F2.8 will get the rumor mill going. Is it really a rebranded Tamron lense? If so, I'd expect more of them to be released and Tamron hopefully to cooperate with Canon in the same way. Both companies would keep their "promises":
Tamron: we will develop for RF mount
Canon: "there will be no third party lenses"... --> although I can't such an statement of a Canon exec online.
Tamron: we will develop for RF mount
Canon: "there will be no third party lenses"... --> although I can't such an statement of a Canon exec online.
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It appears to be a rebranded Tamron so Nikon aren't expending resources on it. Tamron get to sell lenses to Zed mount that just work, Nikon users get a cheap and popular lens. I could see Canon doing the same.
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I have to say I prefer what Canon's internal engineers come up with rather than outsourcing to use 3rd party old glass (in this case Nikon using Tamron's G1 lens, not even G2, repackaged). Outsourced lenses don't have the right coatings, have different color, and noisier motors. The Canon lenses so far have been unique and exciting (I just bought the RF 100-400) and I fear slapping on a rebrand of old 3rd party lens would kill innovation and cheapen the brand.
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I've been following the Nikon forums on the 800mm f/6.3 (and Z9). There is excitement about the lens, and spirits have been raised. People are homing in at a guess of 2.5 kg. There is however, worry about when it will actually arrive. A year? But, it will make many happy.
I'm taking a different point of view. 800mm does have its place and would keep Photo Bunny at a safe distance from predatory polar bears. I do have the Canon 800mm f/11, but it is rather specialised for me and I can do as well with my 100-500 plus extenders for all practical purposes. The Nikkor 800mm f/6.3 is only a 1/3rd stop darker than the Nikon 800mm f/5.6 and should give better IQ than the Canon lens and suffer less from diffraction at f/8.8 with a 1.4x extender. However, the Canon lens can be easily carried on hikes, thrown into hand- or hold-luggage without much fear because of its size, weight and cheapness, and my wife and I could deploy it and the 100-500mm between us when we need extra focal length on trips.
In a nutshell, I prefer the way Canon is going: a much lighter body of the R3, and presumably its high resolution counterpart, than the Z9; the light R5 and R6 with their superior AF and lighter lenses currently available for the likes of me. I had a great time with the Nikon D850 and D500 and 500mm f/5.6 PF, and the image quality they produce is still at the very top. But, I can do just about as well with the R5 and RF 100-500mm and have their awesome AF, as well as the really light weight RF 100-400mm, and the R6. So, I have sold off all my Nikon gear, at very little loss as I bought it all used at good prices. Nikon makes great cameras and lenses but is not moving in the right direction for me. Those who can cope with the weight will differ as Nikon will deliver the goods on quality.
I'm taking a different point of view. 800mm does have its place and would keep Photo Bunny at a safe distance from predatory polar bears. I do have the Canon 800mm f/11, but it is rather specialised for me and I can do as well with my 100-500 plus extenders for all practical purposes. The Nikkor 800mm f/6.3 is only a 1/3rd stop darker than the Nikon 800mm f/5.6 and should give better IQ than the Canon lens and suffer less from diffraction at f/8.8 with a 1.4x extender. However, the Canon lens can be easily carried on hikes, thrown into hand- or hold-luggage without much fear because of its size, weight and cheapness, and my wife and I could deploy it and the 100-500mm between us when we need extra focal length on trips.
In a nutshell, I prefer the way Canon is going: a much lighter body of the R3, and presumably its high resolution counterpart, than the Z9; the light R5 and R6 with their superior AF and lighter lenses currently available for the likes of me. I had a great time with the Nikon D850 and D500 and 500mm f/5.6 PF, and the image quality they produce is still at the very top. But, I can do just about as well with the R5 and RF 100-500mm and have their awesome AF, as well as the really light weight RF 100-400mm, and the R6. So, I have sold off all my Nikon gear, at very little loss as I bought it all used at good prices. Nikon makes great cameras and lenses but is not moving in the right direction for me. Those who can cope with the weight will differ as Nikon will deliver the goods on quality.
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I think there is some confusion here.
Which 800 mm f/8 lens are you talking about?
And should the Nikon 800 mm f/6.3 not be 1/3 of a stop brighter than such a lens?
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I have to say, I couldn't disagree more!
The fact there are very few third party lenses for the R system is a major factor keeping me away from the R system, and making me seriously consider switching to Sony. I wouldn't be thinking about a switch to Sony if there was a wide range of third party lenses for the R system. After all, variety is the spice of life! And while I do think the RF 16mm and RF 100-400 look very interesting, I have been quite disappointed in some of Canon's non-L RF lenses, particularly the RF 50 f/1.8 and RF 85 f/2 IS.
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The 800mm PF announcement is very interesting as it allows users with the older Nikon super telephotos to migrate to this new lens with significant weight reductions of nearly 2kg (assuming it's roughly 2.5kg), which is pretty incredible, considering the only disadvantage is a reduction in light gathering capabilities of 1/3 of a stop (which I assume most users can live with). The F mount super telephotos weigh 4kg+, with the 800 f/5.6 weighing above 4.5kg.
So basically, this is the evolution of Nikon's F mount 800mm f5.6 - it's shorter, much slimmer and almost definitely much lighter (maybe even hand holdable?!). It's hard to comment on pricing, considering Canons and Nikon 800 f/5.6 are over $13k. It would probably be cheaper, as it's slightly slower in aperture and the glass elements will be smaller due to its slim profile. Overall, this looks to be a great upcoming lens for Nikon!
However, I'm unsure if Canon/Sony users with the 600mm f/4 with TCs will be as attracted to this lens as much vs Nikon users, simply because the Canon/Sony lenses have undergone significant amounts of weight reduction, coming just above 3.2kg - Nikon's equivalent is ~ 4kg. Depends on how much weight Nikon can save, the price of the lens, and if the next gen of Z cameras can get Z9 level tracking abilities for those who don't like the form factor and weight of the Z9.
So basically, this is the evolution of Nikon's F mount 800mm f5.6 - it's shorter, much slimmer and almost definitely much lighter (maybe even hand holdable?!). It's hard to comment on pricing, considering Canons and Nikon 800 f/5.6 are over $13k. It would probably be cheaper, as it's slightly slower in aperture and the glass elements will be smaller due to its slim profile. Overall, this looks to be a great upcoming lens for Nikon!
However, I'm unsure if Canon/Sony users with the 600mm f/4 with TCs will be as attracted to this lens as much vs Nikon users, simply because the Canon/Sony lenses have undergone significant amounts of weight reduction, coming just above 3.2kg - Nikon's equivalent is ~ 4kg. Depends on how much weight Nikon can save, the price of the lens, and if the next gen of Z cameras can get Z9 level tracking abilities for those who don't like the form factor and weight of the Z9.
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I don't really get that viewpoint. Sure, variety is nice but if you need a truck do you really care if a manufacturer offers an infinite variety of sedans? What I care about is whether or not a system provides the lenses that I personally need.
For example, I use the TS-E 17L and TS-E 24L II a lot. AFAIK, Sony does not even make E-mount TS/PC lenses. There are a couple of options among the 'wide range of third party lenses' for the E mount, but the Rokinon 24 TS is optically weak, and the Laowa 15mm is shift only, no tilt. However, my two TS-E lenses adapt better than perfectly to the RF mount (better than perfect because the drop-in filter adapter means I can use convenient small ND and CPL filters for the TS-E 17 instead of the 145mm salad plates I used to carry for it).
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