New Kit Lens Coming With New Rebels [CR3]

[Loswr]

What a nonsense.

Thanks for summarizing your previous statements in this thread!

 

[Loswr]

Two things bring about a major comeback to cameras. A global boom in the world economy where folks are vacationing much more often in more far-off places, or... I actually can't think of a second reason.

The second reason is that because AvTvM wants them, Canon will release a compact, affordable, full-featured FF MILC and an EF-M 85mm f/2.4 IS (that won't work on the aforementioned FF MILC), and millions of people will buy them both, and the ILC industry will be saved!

 

[crashpc]

We have been fed with that nonsense before:
No, you don't need on-chip ADC, no you don't need a viewfinder, no you don't need usable burst rate and buffer depth, and so on(on the M). From our complaining, it took Canon just one iteration to solve. Not some "eventual stuff", or "Canon knows better". It was just one step lagging and late.
I'll remind you again neuro, with next Canon camera iteration solving other things, how stoopid wish of us was it, to want some feature or functionality, which Canon will bring to us, just one iteration late....

 

[scyrene]

they have FULL command over ILC market. All they need to do is launch *COMPELLING* APS-C and FF mirrrorless systems. And i immediatly start to buy. And millions of others too. So simple.

Maybe I shouldn't interact with you, but I will ask one question...

Do you think that the lack of a "compelling" APS-C and full frame mirrorless system is what is making the overall camera market shrink? Because that's what you're implying.

yes. to some extent.

nothing could have saved dwarf-sensored P&S. but had attractive mirrorless APS-C and FF camera systems been introduced not only by Sony and Fuji, but also by market share heavyweights Canon and Nikon they would be selling more cameras and way more lenses (new, native short flange distance mounts) than they are today. it might still be less than in the 2006-2013 heyday, but more than today.

instead Nikon introduced the stupid daarf-sensored fail from the start Nikon 1 system and Canon introduced the crippled to death EOS M and partially failed with it. imagine, if canon had launched an M5 already back in 2012.

non-communicating cameras - not even simple WIFI in the biggest and most expensive mirrorslappers until 2015 - and poor implementation even in late 2016 comes on top of it.

ever the same mirrorslappers - 19/20th century tech, big, clugdy, not sell-connected - are dinosuras on their way to extinction. Canon - and even more so Nikon - are "dinosaur farmers". every single mirrorless camera sold by sony and fuji (and to sone extent also mFT) could easily have been a Canon (or Nikon).

but no! "we are innovative mirrorslappers. that is all the world ever needs. take it or leave it." me and millions of other customers gave bern leaving it. thats what you see in those CIPA stats. i have not bought a single piece of imaging hardware - camera ir lens - from Canon in 2016. first year ever since i bought my first canon mirrorslapper back in 2006. i am not delusional. i am fairly typical for millions of former mirrorslapper buyers.

I have to disagree with all of this, but most of all the bit I've highlighted in bold.

 

[Don Haines]

It should be more than obvious that the reason for the declining popularity of the P/S camera is that they do not have full frame sensors.

The solution is simple, put FF sensors into P/S cameras.

A FF P/S camera with a 4X optical zoom, at a cost of $300 would capture the market.

The 4X optical zoom would be easy to build. Most of the design work is already done. Just use a 24-105F4 lens design and add a power zoom to it, and mount this as the permanent lens.

The Body could be similar to the 6D, but by getting rid of the mirror and mount and then changing the optics of the lens to bend the light sharper, you could reduce the thickness of the camera by almost 2cm, and the only drawback would be the increased vignetting caused by the sharper angles at the corners of the sensor.

It could easily be sold for that price if Canon was willing to loose money on each one sold.....

Shirt pockets could easily be redesigned to hold a 6D sized P/S camera that is 15 cm thick and weighs somewhere around 1.5 kilos....

Apparently, millions of people would line up to purchase such a camera and Canon would then be saved from certain doom.

At last! A logical assessment of the situation! I shall have to get busy sewing oversize pockets on my shirts for this revolutionary P/S camera.

 

[Loswr]

It should be more than obvious that the reason for the declining popularity of the P/S camera is that they do not have full frame sensors.

The solution is simple, put FF sensors into P/S cameras.

A FF P/S camera with a 4X optical zoom, at a cost of $300 would capture the market.

The 4X optical zoom would be easy to build. Most of the design work is already done. Just use a 24-105F4 lens design and add a power zoom to it, and mount this as the permanent lens.

The Body could be similar to the 6D, but by getting rid of the mirror and mount and then changing the optics of the lens to bend the light sharper, you could reduce the thickness of the camera by almost 2cm, and the only drawback would be the increased vignetting caused by the sharper angles at the corners of the sensor.

It could easily be sold for that price if Canon was willing to loose money on each one sold.....

Shirt pockets could easily be redesigned to hold a 6D sized P/S camera that is 15 cm thick and weighs somewhere around 1.5 kilos....

Apparently, millions of people would line up to purchase such a camera and Canon would then be saved from certain doom.

At last! A logical assessment of the situation! I shall have to get busy sewing new pockets on my shirts for this revolutionary P/S camera.

Don't be ridiculous. Shirt designers should have anticipated this paradigm shift. I predict a dramatic downturn in shirt sales in the coming years, unless they rapidly adapt to this shift in the market.

 

[Don Haines]

It should be more than obvious that the reason for the declining popularity of the P/S camera is that they do not have full frame sensors.

The solution is simple, put FF sensors into P/S cameras.

A FF P/S camera with a 4X optical zoom, at a cost of $300 would capture the market.

The 4X optical zoom would be easy to build. Most of the design work is already done. Just use a 24-105F4 lens design and add a power zoom to it, and mount this as the permanent lens.

The Body could be similar to the 6D, but by getting rid of the mirror and mount and then changing the optics of the lens to bend the light sharper, you could reduce the thickness of the camera by almost 2cm, and the only drawback would be the increased vignetting caused by the sharper angles at the corners of the sensor.

It could easily be sold for that price if Canon was willing to loose money on each one sold.....

Shirt pockets could easily be redesigned to hold a 6D sized P/S camera that is 15 cm thick and weighs somewhere around 1.5 kilos....

Apparently, millions of people would line up to purchase such a camera and Canon would then be saved from certain doom.

At last! A logical assessment of the situation! I shall have to get busy sewing new pockets on my shirts for this revolutionary P/S camera.

Don't be ridiculous. Shirt designers should have anticipated this paradigm shift. I predict a dramatic downturn in shirt sales in the coming years, unless they rapidly adapt to this shift in the market.

Sorry Neuro, but you are wrong on this one.... Up here in Canada, we have anticipated this for decades and even have pant pockets that fit such a revolutionary P/S camera

 

[Loswr]

I didn't realize our neighbors to the north were so progressive!

 

[ahsanford]

I didn't realize our neighbors to the north were so progressive!

The dude who runs the place hugs pandas, Neuro.

And they invented comedy, Rush and poutine. Progressive indeed.

 

[Don Haines]

I didn't realize our neighbors to the north were so progressive!

The dude who runs the place hugs pandas, Neuro.

And they invented comedy, Rush and poutine. Progressive indeed.

The land which invented boiled tree sap on pancakes, where the national animal is the beaver....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sekLEG8xsOs

 

[hbr]

It should be more than obvious that the reason for the declining popularity of the P/S camera is that they do not have full frame sensors.

The solution is simple, put FF sensors into P/S cameras.

A FF P/S camera with a 4X optical zoom, at a cost of $300 would capture the market.

The 4X optical zoom would be easy to build. Most of the design work is already done. Just use a 24-105F4 lens design and add a power zoom to it, and mount this as the permanent lens.

The Body could be similar to the 6D, but by getting rid of the mirror and mount and then changing the optics of the lens to bend the light sharper, you could reduce the thickness of the camera by almost 2cm, and the only drawback would be the increased vignetting caused by the sharper angles at the corners of the sensor.

It could easily be sold for that price if Canon was willing to loose money on each one sold.....

Shirt pockets could easily be redesigned to hold a 6D sized P/S camera that is 15 cm thick and weighs somewhere around 1.5 kilos....

Apparently, millions of people would line up to purchase such a camera and Canon would then be saved from certain doom.

At last! A logical assessment of the situation! I shall have to get busy sewing oversize pockets on my shirts for this revolutionary P/S camera.

But it would have to have 4k video for the same price or else Canon would be doomed!